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JamesL

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Fire!
« on: October 14, 2021, 08:45:59 »
I don’t know if anyone has actually had a fire (engine/fuel) etc, but they can be properly terminal.
Does anyone carry a fire extinguisher (Pagoda or otherwise) and if so, where, what sort etc
Or am I unduly worried, being from the land of Prince Lucas of Darkness?

Thx
James L
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Re: Fire!
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2021, 09:00:24 »
Yes I have a fire extinguisher. A small one filled with gas, no foam, as this will also destroy the car/engine. It is in the trunk of the car.
I don’t think it’s too unduly worried. A fire, if not attacked immediately, will destroy the car.

Peter

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Re: Fire!
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2021, 09:56:08 »
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001KAO63G/ref=as_li_ss_il?ie=UTF8&linkCode=li3&tag=firefighte06b-20&linkId=0d00dfb538eb55c9e1a4dc880bce89e0&language=en_US

This is the best type of extinguisher for a classic/expensive car, used in the aviation industry as it's non corrosive.  Needs to be securely fixed with a bracket, you don't want a pressurized container rolling around in a car.  These are not as efficient as an ABC dry chemical, but it's a compromise against damage by the fire or damage caused by the extinguisher!

"The aviation industry needed a solution that was non-corrosive to their airplanes, so they went to halotron.

H3R produces UL-certified halotron extinguishers for the everyday consumer market. They’re the go-to extinguisher brand for sports car enthusiasts today"

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Re: Fire!
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2021, 13:22:59 »
Hi James

I have one of these, latest technology for our 50 year old cars.

https://www.1stracerallying.co.uk/50-second-fire-safety-stick

Expensive, but small to store in the car, and inert.

Paul
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Re: Fire!
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2021, 14:42:08 »
I carry one in all my vehicles.
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Re: Fire!
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2021, 16:11:24 »
Regarding car fires and their extinguishment, here's an article I wrote last year for a Porsche site:  https://www.912bbs.org/forum/ams/fire-and-the-912-porsche-%E2%80%93-an-overview-of-fire-and-fire-extinguishers.3/ 

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Re: Fire!
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2021, 16:16:36 »
Here's one the group was introduced to recently, that a few of us purchased - Element fire extinguisher
https://www.pelicanparts.com/More_Info/PELELEE50.htm
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Re: Fire!
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2021, 19:51:03 »
I have a customer who had an engine fire in his 190SL. He was able to put it out with a dry chemical extinguisher but it made a real mess. Everything in the engine bay had to come out and be gone through. Engine, starter, generator, and new carbs. The right extinguisher would have helped, I'm sure.   
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Re: Fire!
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2021, 21:51:38 »
You asked if anyone had had a fire.  The answer is yes but in a restored 40 year-old V12 Ferrari on a Quebec, Canada back road at just about Midnight.  That morning I had spent a couple of hours doing a triple carburetor air flow synchronization and fuel tuning while idling with an auxiliary fan in front of the radiator to keep the engine from overheating.  I didn't even think about running the battery down due to low speed "undercharging" while idling.

That afternoon, I calmly drove about 30 miles to a picnic at low speed, probably further depleting the battery.

On the way back home at midnight, I was in a hurry so I drove fast.  I overheated the electrical system in the engine compartment and inside the cockpit due to overcharging a depleted battery.  The wiring caught fire, blew half the fuses and everything went black, except for the fire itself.  I had an extinguisher which I used under the hood, but fortunately the fire self-extinguished inside the cockpit. 

I was being followed by a friend so we used his phone to call a tow truck which got me home at about 1:30 am.  It cost me lots of cash, about 100 feet of various gages of wire and about 6 months of underhood and cockpit work in my garage before taking it back on the road.

My advice:  Always, Always, Always carry an extinguisher when you drive an old car, even if it is restored.  Since then, mine has been mounted on the floor under my knees when I drive.

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Re: Fire!
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2021, 01:59:57 »
I also have an Element, Velcroed on the floor under the front of the passenger seat.
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Re: Fire!
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2021, 05:35:19 »
My car has an Element in the center tray and a quick release Halguard under the front seat.  I hope they never have to be used but just in case. 
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Re: Fire!
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2021, 10:55:22 »
Hi James,

I have the same as Paul & Dolly in all my vehicles and one at home. If you can watch the video you will see why. Brilliant and very compact. I have it mounted right in front of the drivers seat for quick and easy access. We all hope that we never have to use one but my worst nightmare is having a fire and then being helpless to do anything, at the very least it will give you a fire fighting chance. Better safe than sorry.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2021, 10:59:24 by RAY »

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Re: Fire!
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2021, 11:03:51 »
For all rallies I do you MUST have an approved fire extinguisher in the cabin (not in the trunk or boot). Mine is mounted securely in front of the passenger seat, where I can reach it in seconds. I've had it for about 10 years now so I'd better check its expiry date and maybe invest in one of those fire-sticks.
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Re: Fire!
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2021, 12:00:04 »
Here it is also a general regulation for all cars a fire extinguisher with valid technical control is required to be fixed within the hand reach of a driver.
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Re: Fire!
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2021, 18:38:46 »
I carry a 90 second Fire Safety Stick recommended  to me by Paul, spec looks good but of course I don't  know how good until if and when I have to use it!  :-[
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Re: Fire!
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2021, 18:43:23 »
Considering the most common causes of automobile fires, a readably accessible battery disconnect switch is just as important as an on-board fire extinguisher.

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Re: Fire!
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2021, 19:55:19 »
I once had an engine fire in a 1980's Ford Pinto, on a highway offramp (I-95 in Boca Raton, FL) it must have been 1986. After I opened the hood the flames got bigger (more oxygen). Someone in another car had just a bit of water left in his plastic water bottle and that was enough to put the fire out. I think it cost me $500 to get it all fixed, back then. Since then I always carry a fire extinuisher. But, once, maybe a year, later, I passed a pickup truck parked on the side of a road in West Palm Beach, with two guys frantically working to put out an underhood fire in that truck. I thought, great, I can help them out with my extinguisher but as I stopped to begin to do that, they equally frantically began to gesture me to move on and leave. I then thought, great, they probably just stole the truck by short-circuiting something and I better get out of here! True story.
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Re: Fire!
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2021, 20:55:50 »
Just ordered my Element.  Thanks
John
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Re: Fire!
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2021, 08:17:02 »
I also ordered Fire-sticks (from Ireland).

Thanks!
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Re: Fire!
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2021, 08:38:09 »
I heard about a Pagoda fire in a garage as a result of a short circuit in the electrical system. Since then, I disconnect always the battery.
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