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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1650 on: September 27, 2015, 10:36:46 »
In fact I think its time all you lads shipped all your cars down here for a tour of  New Zealand.  I will provide the bbq, beer and sausages.

Be careful what you ask for..... I have relatives in Wellington who just had a baby that needs to be visited......
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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1651 on: September 27, 2015, 20:24:18 »
That is a lovely city. I hope the dog & kids can be trusted not to chew the leather. Good luck Andy.
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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1652 on: September 28, 2015, 06:37:17 »
Dave,  the kids were under strict instruction and the dog had its muzzle taped up. lol.  If your ever down this way that offer is definitely on the table to all you guys.  Plenty of spare rooms now.
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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1653 on: November 23, 2015, 18:06:09 »
Thinking of starting on my hardtop this week.   Motivation on its way back.   Two tone scheme decided upon.  Passengers seat still vacant but trying hard to rectify the situation lol
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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1654 on: November 23, 2015, 18:45:49 »
Hi Andy, greaty to hear you might be getting into the garage again to work on your car instead of getting me bits for my 280SE.  I'd like to give you a hand on your hardtop around the window seals because the MBTex on mine needs replacing too.

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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1655 on: November 23, 2015, 22:30:51 »
Nice to see you getting back some form Andy.

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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1656 on: November 24, 2015, 09:27:46 »
Hi Andy.
 My view is that there are plenty of women out there and not many cars as nice as yours, I have been married 43 years and would swop my wife for your car, i will even pay the shipping,
So spend your money on your hard top its safer, any female that happens by so be it,  ;)
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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1657 on: November 24, 2015, 18:43:01 »
Thanks guys.   Reggie cars not for sale.   Let's just say I have indirectly over capitalized on it by over half a mil. Lol.   

Really go to pay some attention to the cold start circuit.   I hate the little bimetallic timing can that controls the csv and the solenoid on the injection pump.   It's going.   Well I am going to keep the can and replace the internals with a synapse micro plc. 

Just can't seem to adjust to original to give me excellent starting in all conditions.

I think coming up with a timing map based solely on block temp should do it. 
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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1658 on: December 24, 2015, 08:47:09 »
I just want to wish everyone in here a very merry Xmas and prosperous new years.   
Also want to sincerely thank everyone one in here that's offered so much support and kindness during the past year.   It won't ever be forgotten and at times had raised me to tears with gestures of overwhelming generosity and compassion. 
Bless you all.

Cheers

Andy from NZ
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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1659 on: December 24, 2015, 09:44:37 »
Thank you Andy for your wishes and your wonderful thread!
I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1660 on: December 24, 2015, 13:41:49 »
All the best to you Andy and your Famaly this Holiday Season.

Marry Christmas and a Happy and Successful 2016

Dieter

PS. We will hit 17C today here in the Southwestern part of Ontario Canada. Our grass is still green feels like being down under :) thanks for all your writing and updates on this thread I as well as many others so enjoy following it.
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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1661 on: December 24, 2015, 19:35:46 »
Indeed Andy, I hope that you are able to enjoy your Christmas.

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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1662 on: December 26, 2015, 01:56:22 »
Andy,

A bit late for down under, but my best wishes for the new year!
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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1663 on: December 27, 2015, 00:08:09 »
Having gone through a break up over 30 years ago I know what it's like. I wandered around for 9 years after that until I met my wife of 20 years now and with 4 grandchildren, life is fairly normal for us. Through all of this I had my cars, my music, and a couple of good friends. I didn't have then what we have here today - close buddies from distant places from all over the world which would have made a difference for me at that time, I'm sure. I know that after I had major surgery in 2006, the best wishes of this group was something I won't ever forget.

  I think divorce might actually worse than death. When your partner dies you know you won't be seeing them again ( relative to your faith ) but when you split up you know you will very likely see them many times again and for some that can be very difficult if it wasn't something you wanted.

 Good to see you on the mend and back at your cars.  :)




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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1664 on: December 29, 2015, 08:28:03 »
Perfect day here in Auckland and decided to take my car out for a drive to the beach to cheer me up.  I got 20km into my journey and went to change into second and noticed I instantly had no clutch.   Managed to get the car home in second which was extremely stressful.

I don't get it.  The hydraulics all are perfect and the clutch release arm has full movement.  Just absolutely no resistance.  So all I can think off is given I still have drive to the gearbox is the clutch release plates teeth have sheared or somehow the release arms has jumped off the release bearing.  I don't know.  Don't need this right at the moment.  Obviously a gearbox out issue.

Anyone willing to guess what I have cocked up.
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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1665 on: December 29, 2015, 17:50:05 »
I assume you installed the disc in the right direction? ;D

 If you have no resistance and the throw out fork has full movement it kind of sounds like something came apart in the clutch plate. Did you use a new disc? I've only seen one clutch fly apart in nearly 40 years of looking at these things so I'm thinking it isn't a very common problem.

 Try lifting only one rear wheel and put the trans in gear. Try tuning the wheel by hand to see what happens. If you can turn the wheel the clutch plate is broken. It may not turn easily but there should be little movement in either direction if the clutch plate is good . If you can get a half turn or more it's pooched.   
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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1666 on: December 29, 2015, 20:06:29 »
Hey Dan,

I managed to drive the car all the way home with absolutely no sign of slippage so its a disengaging issue rather than a clutch failure.  I have driven the car only 100 miles so didn't build up much of a impression but one thing I do remember was that when the car was in neutral and you put your foot on the clutch you could here the release bearing wiring away.  I looked at it fairly carefully before I put it in and it seemed in really good condition only having done a thousand k from new.  Am wondering if I was possible to put in backward or some moronic idiotic mistake like that.  My pick is it might have seized and taken out all the clutch release fingers.  It feels and looks as if its passing clear through the clutch plate.  Will see.   Pull it out today and post my mistakes for all to see.
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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1667 on: December 29, 2015, 20:57:47 »
Put a pipe clamp on the hose at the slave cylinder and then see if you have a hard pedal. If you do then you either have slave cylinder failure or some mechanical falter in the fork, bearing or clutch itself but if you've driven the car I doubt the latter.
If your pedal is still soft then you probably have a failed master cylinder or some mechanical failure at the pedal mechanism.

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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1668 on: December 29, 2015, 21:23:24 »
Hey stick.   Thanks mate for the reply.   I don't think it's going to be the hydraulic system as I can see absolutely full movement on the clutch fork arm when the brake is pressed.   It can only be either the fork has come off the release bearing or the release bearing is sailing right through the middle of the pressure plate.   I have just picked up some stands and am going to put the car up on blocks and see if I can quickly get my inspection camera in to see what the damage is.   But gut tells me it's a waste of time and to just start unbolting things.
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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1669 on: December 29, 2015, 22:40:48 »
The throw out fork pushes against the bearing so it can't come off. What is it doing? Can you not shift from one gear to the next or is it grinding going into gear?
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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1670 on: December 30, 2015, 07:25:30 »
The gears can be engaged when the engine is off up no load.   As soon as the engine is on its apparent that the clutch is no functioning.   Graunching going into gear.   Once in gear can't get the gearbox out of gear until the engine is turned off or the input shift speed matches the engine speed.  I believe it's a clutch release plate failure.  Any tests I can do to confirm it.   Have dropped the slave cylinder and tried to peer in through the slot for the forked clutch arm but can't see anything really.   
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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1671 on: December 30, 2015, 07:50:09 »
Check how much free play you have between the push pin and the fork. Sounds like the fork isn't moving enough.
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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1672 on: December 30, 2015, 09:53:58 »
What is the story on the clutch master cylinder.
Is it new or rebuilt?

I had this problem with failed seals in the m/c. No leaks of course!

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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1673 on: December 30, 2015, 09:54:41 »
Cheers Dan,  before I pull the gearbox I will check this again but I am reasonably certain that there was very little free play from the pin to the fork and that the fork was being pushed almost to the back or entry slot cut in the bell housing ie the fork cant be pushed any further back.  I will double check again tomorrow.

I have dug up some pics of the clutch going back together if anyone can see anything wrong sing out.  I am certainly no mechanic!

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Re: Restoration Difficulty Level
« Reply #1674 on: December 30, 2015, 09:55:15 »
Naj master and slave all brand new from Buds
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