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Body and paint number plate
« on: March 11, 2008, 21:30:06 »
I have a 1964 built in 1963 number 671 230sl.  My paint and number plate is missing on the drivers side first and I am going to recreate it.
Should the first line read 113042-10
Second line                190 G  or G 190



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Re: Body and paint number plate
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2008, 09:43:49 »
This is the early style Body and Paint Number Plate, located on the driver's side A pillar. In the first line, the 113042 10 should be followed by the Aufbau (Body) number from the data card.
In the second line, I do not know if the G should come before or after the 190, our group member James Huber can tell you that, he has such an early 230SL with such a plate. The photo we have in our Technical Manual unfortunately does not have sufficient resolution to read it.

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Re: Body and paint number plate
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2008, 11:05:49 »
Here's the best close-up I could get. Klaus is correct that the right hand digits are the body number (Auf-bau Nummer stamped on hood, hardtop, etc). And the Paint manufacturer (Glasurit in my case) comes after the paint code.

Seeing how your car is only a couple hundred cars earlier than mine, I'd imagine the plates would be similar. I'm #871...



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« Last Edit: March 12, 2008, 11:07:36 by J. Huber »
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Re: Body and paint number plate
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2008, 15:23:52 »
Hey, James,

Bit off topic, but what does your 'other' plate look like?

Here's one I found earlier:



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« Last Edit: March 12, 2008, 15:27:20 by naj »
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Re: Body and paint number plate
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2008, 16:01:07 »
Thank you for your response.  John
quote:
Originally posted by J. Huber

Here's the best close-up I could get. Klaus is correct that the right hand digits are the body number (Auf-bau Nummer stamped on hood, hardtop, etc). And the Paint manufacturer (Glasurit in my case) comes after the paint code.

Seeing how your car is only a couple hundred cars earlier than mine, I'd imagine the plates would be similar. I'm #871...



James
63 230SL




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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2008, 16:58:19 »
Hey Naj. Well, mine looks very similar to that. I tried to photograph it but the lighting combined with its faded condition, it did not come out.

Only difference is mine has my exact VIN 113042-12-etc, where yours seems to have the 64 510 etc. that doesn't look much like a 113 VIN. Is that maybe from a prototype?

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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2008, 07:55:30 »
I have a replica on order ( EBAY ) that I should have in a week or two.
Long delivery from Germany as they add your VIN and other details such as production date ( late model 280SL ).

Plates available for most older Mercs.

I'll post a picture as soon as it arrives.

Was the plate riveted or screwed to the body?

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1988 300CE TWIN TURBO
1990 C43 AMG
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« Last Edit: March 13, 2008, 07:57:12 by RBYCC »

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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2008, 11:33:24 »
Hi Ed. Not sure if your question was pointed at me... mine are screwed on. Now here's one for you -- can you point me to the Ebay listing for the repro plates? Thanks.

Also Paul R. Do you have link -- same or different vendor? I really like the looks of the pics. They do put the numbers on, correct?

Thanks

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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2008, 13:32:09 »
quote:
Originally posted by J. Huber

Hi Ed. Not sure if your question was pointed at me... mine are screwed on. Now here's one for you -- can you point me to the Ebay listing for the repro plates? Thanks.

Also Paul R. Do you have link -- same or different vendor? I really like the looks of the pics. They do put the numbers on, correct?

Thanks

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James

Link is below.
I ordered mine first week of February from the seller who is in Australia.
Listing indicates about a 3 week delivery.
I was told that it shipped this week to me from Germany.
Not sure if this is the normal turn around time.
For $5.00 extra they will stamp or print depending on how the original plate was done, your VIOn and for my car the production date.
Seller responds quickly.
I have asked if they can replicate the USA Emissions plate and they could if they knew the size or had a sample.

Wait until I hopefully receive mine and I'll post some pix !

Ed A.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-Chassis-Type-plate-1930-1980s_W0QQitemZ120233482562QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120233482562



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1988 300CE TWIN TURBO
1990 C43 AMG
2003 G55 AMG

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Re: Body and paint number plate
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2008, 13:50:35 »
quote:
Originally posted by RBYCC

Was the plate riveted or screwed to the body?[/maroon]

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1988 300CE TWIN TURBO
1990 C43 AMG
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Ed,

I believe a late-model US-spec 280 SL would have those plates riveted into the body like this:



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Re: Body and paint number plate
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2008, 22:07:01 »
quote:
Originally posted by Douglas

quote:
Originally posted by RBYCC

Was the plate riveted or screwed to the body?[/maroon]

ED A.
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1988 300CE TWIN TURBO
1990 C43 AMG
2003 G55 AMG




Ed,

I believe a late-model US-spec 280 SL would have those plates riveted into the body like this:



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Thanks, you always have a picture as an answer !!!!

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1988 300CE TWIN TURBO
1990 C43 AMG
2003 G55 AMG
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Re: Body and paint number plate
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2008, 10:19:03 »
Hey Ed A. Any sign of the repro data plate yet? If so, what's your take?

Thanks
JH

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Re: Body and paint number plate
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2008, 15:20:49 »
quote:
Originally posted by J. Huber

Hey Ed A. Any sign of the repro data plate yet? If so, what's your take?

Thanks
JH

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James

FUNNY YOU SHOULD ASK....

Purchased from an Australian vendor, but made in Germany.
A batch was shipped to the USA in late February, but out of the ten shipped three buyers( myself included ), never received the plate.
Vendor is having a new plate done and hope to have shortly.
If it's an exact reproduction then it's worth the wait !!!
I'll post pix as soon as received.



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1988 300CE TWIN TURBO
1990 C43 AMG
2003 G55 AMG

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Re: Body and paint number plate
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2008, 07:30:59 »
does anyone have a direct email for thias vendor for build plate

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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2008, 17:35:07 »
His name is Craig and he operates under the name of aegeanfoods on ebay You can email him thru there.  I have had plates made by him and they are well done and he is a good ebayer and keeps you informed on delivery.

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« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2008, 14:33:42 »
quote:
Originally posted by Garry

His name is Craig and he operates under the name of aegeanfoods on ebay You can email him thru there.  I have had plates made by him and they are well done and he is a good ebayer and keeps you informed on delivery.

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Craig it is....having problems as the first got lost by the mail service, but excellent communication and no problem with him replacing the lost plate.

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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2008, 13:40:34 »
quote:
Originally posted by J. Huber

Hey Ed A. Any sign of the repro data plate yet? If so, what's your take?

Thanks
JH

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James

It has finally arrived.
First one lost in mailing, vendor replaced without any question.
To me it looks as original.
Vendor feels he can do the second "emissions" plate, but would need size and exact wording....
If you have this info get it to me and I'll get a price as I need the second emissions plate.



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1988 300CE TWIN TURBO
1990 C43 AMG
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« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2008, 14:09:53 »
Thanks Ed. It does look very nice. I had actually emailed him about mine and he explained that the shipping process was troubling him but he was working on getting the bugs out. Your first one may have been one of the bugs! Anyway, I can't help with emissions plate -- as mine is pre-emissions. I am going to order a new data plate though probably in the next month. I'll report back here with my experiences.

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« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2008, 14:15:08 »
quote:
Originally posted by jszeman1

I have a 1964 built in 1963 number 671 230sl.  My paint and number plate is missing on the drivers side first and I am going to recreate it.
Should the first line read 113042-10
Second line                190 G  or G 190



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John

Vendor has the Karosserie plate available also



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1988 300CE TWIN TURBO
1990 C43 AMG
2003 G55 AMG

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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2008, 14:17:18 »
quote:
Originally posted by J. Huber

Thanks Ed. It does look very nice. I had actually emailed him about mine and he explained that the shipping process was troubling him but he was working on getting the bugs out. Your first one may have been one of the bugs! Anyway, I can't help with emissions plate -- as mine is pre-emissions. I am going to order a new data plate though probably in the next month. I'll report back here with my experiences.

James
63 230SL



Craig just emailed me and he has the 280SL emissions plate available.
It is a very nice repro....you'll be pleased.
It came first class international mail from Germany



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1988 300CE TWIN TURBO
1990 C43 AMG
2003 G55 AMG

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« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2008, 14:43:46 »
I thought I should register and respond to Ed's post. I am the guy that is making the reproduction chassis plates, under the eBay name of aegeanfoods. Firstly, I would like to thank Ed for his patience. They take time to produce and losing a few in the mail does not help to test peoples patience. Some new equipment is being installed which will hopefully speed up the process, but as they are hand made, the processing time is still going to be a few weeks until we bed the whole thing down. I might add that most of the layouts for these plates are new and if we haven't made one before for "X" particular model, this does involve additional time to prepare the artwork.

I note the comments regarding the additional emissions plate and this can be reproduced once I know the dimensions of the plate. I have a photo good enough to work from. I also need to know if the plates were year specific, and model specific. At the moment, all the plates I have indicate the 280SL model and 1970.

For your information, I am also now reproducing the Bosch horn tags, engine tags, and will soon be starting on the Bosch ignition distributor oval tag. I have also recently produced plates for the Universal.

Essentially, any plate can be reproduced from as early as the 500/540K to the late '70's. The variations are enormous between models and markets. For example, 190SL's used 6 different plates over their 8 year production run.

I am here to help, so if you have any queries, please send me a PM or email me directly at reproplates@gmail.com. I will make no apology for not being the cheapest supplier of these plates, but these plates are more expensive to produce than the laser etched or silk screen printed ones. Mine are cauterized and will outlast the others by quite some time. Having said that, they are still 50% cheaper than the Classic Center.

This is not a full time business for me - it is a hobby and came about because I could not get the correct plate when I restored my 300b. I have 15 cars, 9 of which are Mercedes, so I am somewhat passionate about the marque.

By the way, in response to JohnS, the "G" (for Glasurit) goes after the 190.

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« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2008, 15:42:43 »
Boy, am I glad I didn't say anything bad about this vendor!  ;)  

Thanks for the info, Craig. As I mentioned I'll be back with an order I'm sure. Would it help for me to email you a close-up of my existing firewall data plate? As worn as it is, I think you could make out most everything...

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« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2008, 23:20:17 »
Photos are always appreciated James, and don't worry. I can accept criticism !

quote:
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Boy, am I glad I didn't say anything bad about this vendor!  ;)  

Thanks for the info, Craig. As I mentioned I'll be back with an order I'm sure. Would it help for me to email you a close-up of my existing firewall data plate? As worn as it is, I think you could make out most everything...

James
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« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2008, 22:24:18 »
Just wanted to add a photo of a real engine plate that has now been produced.

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« Reply #24 on: May 15, 2008, 23:08:51 »
I like what this vendor has done. I  plan on e-mailing pictures of my early vin plate off my 1968 280SL to get a couple of replacments made. I would like to now if  anyone has got this vendor to replace the plates  that tells the paint codes on the left inner fender.

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