Author Topic: Body and paint number plate (Read 25549 times)

jszeman1 · « **on:** March 11, 2008, 21:30:06 »

I have a 1964 built in 1963 number 671 230sl. My paint and number plate is missing on the drivers side first and I am going to recreate it.
Should the first line read 113042-10
Second line 190 G or G 190

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JohnS

Klaus · « **Reply #1 on:** March 12, 2008, 09:43:49 »

This is the early style Body and Paint Number Plate, located on the driver's side A pillar. In the first line, the 113042 10 should be followed by the Aufbau (Body) number from the data card.
In the second line, I do not know if the G should come before or after the 190, our group member James Huber can tell you that, he has such an early 230SL with such a plate. The photo we have in our Technical Manual unfortunately does not have sufficient resolution to read it.

Klaus
1969 280 SL

J. Huber · « **Reply #2 on:** March 12, 2008, 11:05:49 »

Here's the best close-up I could get. Klaus is correct that the right hand digits are the body number (Auf-bau Nummer stamped on hood, hardtop, etc). And the Paint manufacturer (Glasurit in my case) comes after the paint code.

Seeing how your car is only a couple hundred cars earlier than mine, I'd imagine the plates would be similar. I'm #871...

James
63 230SL

Naj ✝︎ · « **Reply #3 on:** March 12, 2008, 15:23:52 »

Hey, James,

Bit off topic, but what does your 'other' plate look like?

Here's one I found earlier:

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jszeman1 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 12, 2008, 16:01:07 »

Thank you for your response. John

quote:
Originally posted by J. Huber

Here's the best close-up I could get. Klaus is correct that the right hand digits are the body number (Auf-bau Nummer stamped on hood, hardtop, etc). And the Paint manufacturer (Glasurit in my case) comes after the paint code.

Seeing how your car is only a couple hundred cars earlier than mine, I'd imagine the plates would be similar. I'm #871...

James
63 230SL

JohnS

J. Huber · « **Reply #5 on:** March 12, 2008, 16:58:19 »

Hey Naj. Well, mine looks very similar to that. I tried to photograph it but the lighting combined with its faded condition, it did not come out.

Only difference is mine has my exact VIN 113042-12-etc, where yours seems to have the 64 510 etc. that doesn't look much like a 113 VIN. Is that maybe from a prototype?

James
63 230SL

RBYCC · « **Reply #6 on:** March 13, 2008, 07:55:30 »

I have a replica on order ( EBAY ) that I should have in a week or two.
Long delivery from Germany as they add your VIN and other details such as production date ( late model 280SL ).

Plates available for most older Mercs.

I'll post a picture as soon as it arrives.

Was the plate riveted or screwed to the body?

ED A.
1971 280SL
1988 300CE TWIN TURBO
1990 C43 AMG
2003 G55 AMG

J. Huber · « **Reply #7 on:** March 15, 2008, 11:33:24 »

Hi Ed. Not sure if your question was pointed at me... mine are screwed on. Now here's one for you -- can you point me to the Ebay listing for the repro plates? Thanks.

Also Paul R. Do you have link -- same or different vendor? I really like the looks of the pics. They do put the numbers on, correct?

Thanks

James
63 230SL

RBYCC · « **Reply #8 on:** March 15, 2008, 13:32:09 »

quote:
Originally posted by J. Huber

Hi Ed. Not sure if your question was pointed at me... mine are screwed on. Now here's one for you -- can you point me to the Ebay listing for the repro plates? Thanks.

Also Paul R. Do you have link -- same or different vendor? I really like the looks of the pics. They do put the numbers on, correct?

Thanks

James
63 230SL

James

Link is below.
I ordered mine first week of February from the seller who is in Australia.
Listing indicates about a 3 week delivery.
I was told that it shipped this week to me from Germany.
Not sure if this is the normal turn around time.
For $5.00 extra they will stamp or print depending on how the original plate was done, your VIOn and for my car the production date.
Seller responds quickly.
I have asked if they can replicate the USA Emissions plate and they could if they knew the size or had a sample.

Wait until I hopefully receive mine and I'll post some pix !

Ed A.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-Chassis-Type-plate-1930-1980s_W0QQitemZ120233482562QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item120233482562

ED A.
1971 280SL
1988 300CE TWIN TURBO
1990 C43 AMG
2003 G55 AMG

Douglas · « **Reply #9 on:** March 15, 2008, 13:50:35 »

quote:
Originally posted by RBYCC

Was the plate riveted or screwed to the body?[/maroon]

ED A.
1971 280SL
1988 300CE TWIN TURBO
1990 C43 AMG
2003 G55 AMG

Ed,

I believe a late-model US-spec 280 SL would have those plates riveted into the body like this:

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Douglas Kim
New York
USA

RBYCC · « **Reply #10 on:** March 15, 2008, 22:07:01 »

quote:
Originally posted by Douglas

quote:
Originally posted by RBYCC

Was the plate riveted or screwed to the body?[/maroon]

ED A.
1971 280SL
1988 300CE TWIN TURBO
1990 C43 AMG
2003 G55 AMG

Ed,

I believe a late-model US-spec 280 SL would have those plates riveted into the body like this:

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Douglas Kim
New York
USA

Douglas

Thanks, you always have a picture as an answer !!!!

ED A.
1971 280SL
1988 300CE TWIN TURBO
1990 C43 AMG
2003 G55 AMG

J. Huber · « **Reply #11 on:** April 08, 2008, 10:19:03 »

Hey Ed A. Any sign of the repro data plate yet? If so, what's your take?

Thanks
JH

James
63 230SL

RBYCC · « **Reply #12 on:** April 08, 2008, 15:20:49 »

quote:
Originally posted by J. Huber

Hey Ed A. Any sign of the repro data plate yet? If so, what's your take?

Thanks
JH

James
63 230SL

James

FUNNY YOU SHOULD ASK....

Purchased from an Australian vendor, but made in Germany.
A batch was shipped to the USA in late February, but out of the ten shipped three buyers( myself included ), never received the plate.
Vendor is having a new plate done and hope to have shortly.
If it's an exact reproduction then it's worth the wait !!!
I'll post pix as soon as received.

ED A.
1971 280SL
1988 300CE TWIN TURBO
1990 C43 AMG
2003 G55 AMG

rjgricius1 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 14, 2008, 07:30:59 »

does anyone have a direct email for thias vendor for build plate

230 sl 1967 automatic
wht/blue in the middle of comple restoration

Garry · « **Reply #14 on:** April 14, 2008, 17:35:07 »

His name is Craig and he operates under the name of aegeanfoods on ebay You can email him thru there. I have had plates made by him and they are well done and he is a good ebayer and keeps you informed on delivery.

Garry Marks
Australia
69 280SL Manual
02 320ML
05 A200

RBYCC · « **Reply #15 on:** April 16, 2008, 14:33:42 »

quote:
Originally posted by Garry

His name is Craig and he operates under the name of aegeanfoods on ebay You can email him thru there. I have had plates made by him and they are well done and he is a good ebayer and keeps you informed on delivery.

Garry Marks
Australia
69 280SL Manual
02 320ML
05 A200

Craig it is....having problems as the first got lost by the mail service, but excellent communication and no problem with him replacing the lost plate.

ED A.
1971 280SL
1988 300CE TWIN TURBO
1990 C43 AMG
2003 G55 AMG

RBYCC · « **Reply #16 on:** April 25, 2008, 13:40:34 »

quote:
Originally posted by J. Huber

Hey Ed A. Any sign of the repro data plate yet? If so, what's your take?

Thanks
JH

James
63 230SL

James

It has finally arrived.
First one lost in mailing, vendor replaced without any question.
To me it looks as original.
Vendor feels he can do the second "emissions" plate, but would need size and exact wording....
If you have this info get it to me and I'll get a price as I need the second emissions plate.

ED A.
1971 280SL
1988 300CE TWIN TURBO
1990 C43 AMG
2003 G55 AMG

J. Huber · « **Reply #17 on:** April 25, 2008, 14:09:53 »

Thanks Ed. It does look very nice. I had actually emailed him about mine and he explained that the shipping process was troubling him but he was working on getting the bugs out. Your first one may have been one of the bugs! Anyway, I can't help with emissions plate -- as mine is pre-emissions. I am going to order a new data plate though probably in the next month. I'll report back here with my experiences.

James
63 230SL

RBYCC · « **Reply #18 on:** April 25, 2008, 14:15:08 »

quote:
Originally posted by jszeman1

I have a 1964 built in 1963 number 671 230sl. My paint and number plate is missing on the drivers side first and I am going to recreate it.
Should the first line read 113042-10
Second line 190 G or G 190

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JohnS

John

Vendor has the Karosserie plate available also

ED A.
1971 280SL
1988 300CE TWIN TURBO
1990 C43 AMG
2003 G55 AMG

RBYCC · « **Reply #19 on:** April 25, 2008, 14:17:18 »

quote:
Originally posted by J. Huber

Thanks Ed. It does look very nice. I had actually emailed him about mine and he explained that the shipping process was troubling him but he was working on getting the bugs out. Your first one may have been one of the bugs! Anyway, I can't help with emissions plate -- as mine is pre-emissions. I am going to order a new data plate though probably in the next month. I'll report back here with my experiences.

James
63 230SL

Craig just emailed me and he has the 280SL emissions plate available.
It is a very nice repro....you'll be pleased.
It came first class international mail from Germany

ED A.
1971 280SL
1988 300CE TWIN TURBO
1990 C43 AMG
2003 G55 AMG

CraigS · « **Reply #20 on:** April 25, 2008, 14:43:46 »

I thought I should register and respond to Ed's post. I am the guy that is making the reproduction chassis plates, under the eBay name of aegeanfoods. Firstly, I would like to thank Ed for his patience. They take time to produce and losing a few in the mail does not help to test peoples patience. Some new equipment is being installed which will hopefully speed up the process, but as they are hand made, the processing time is still going to be a few weeks until we bed the whole thing down. I might add that most of the layouts for these plates are new and if we haven't made one before for "X" particular model, this does involve additional time to prepare the artwork.

I note the comments regarding the additional emissions plate and this can be reproduced once I know the dimensions of the plate. I have a photo good enough to work from. I also need to know if the plates were year specific, and model specific. At the moment, all the plates I have indicate the 280SL model and 1970.

For your information, I am also now reproducing the Bosch horn tags, engine tags, and will soon be starting on the Bosch ignition distributor oval tag. I have also recently produced plates for the Universal.

Essentially, any plate can be reproduced from as early as the 500/540K to the late '70's. The variations are enormous between models and markets. For example, 190SL's used 6 different plates over their 8 year production run.

I am here to help, so if you have any queries, please send me a PM or email me directly at reproplates@gmail.com. I will make no apology for not being the cheapest supplier of these plates, but these plates are more expensive to produce than the laser etched or silk screen printed ones. Mine are cauterized and will outlast the others by quite some time. Having said that, they are still 50% cheaper than the Classic Center.

This is not a full time business for me - it is a hobby and came about because I could not get the correct plate when I restored my 300b. I have 15 cars, 9 of which are Mercedes, so I am somewhat passionate about the marque.

By the way, in response to JohnS, the "G" (for Glasurit) goes after the 190.

J. Huber · « **Reply #21 on:** April 25, 2008, 15:42:43 »

Boy, am I glad I didn't say anything bad about this vendor!

Thanks for the info, Craig. As I mentioned I'll be back with an order I'm sure. Would it help for me to email you a close-up of my existing firewall data plate? As worn as it is, I think you could make out most everything...

James
63 230SL

CraigS · « **Reply #22 on:** April 25, 2008, 23:20:17 »

Photos are always appreciated James, and don't worry. I can accept criticism !

quote:
Originally posted by J. Huber

Boy, am I glad I didn't say anything bad about this vendor!

Thanks for the info, Craig. As I mentioned I'll be back with an order I'm sure. Would it help for me to email you a close-up of my existing firewall data plate? As worn as it is, I think you could make out most everything...

James
63 230SL

CraigS · « **Reply #23 on:** May 15, 2008, 22:24:18 »

Just wanted to add a photo of a real engine plate that has now been produced.

Bob G · « **Reply #24 on:** May 15, 2008, 23:08:51 »

I like what this vendor has done. I plan on e-mailing pictures of my early vin plate off my 1968 280SL to get a couple of replacments made. I would like to now if anyone has got this vendor to replace the plates that tells the paint codes on the left inner fender.

Bob Geco
1968 280SL

CraigS · « **Reply #25 on:** May 15, 2008, 23:31:25 »

quote:
Originally posted by Bob G
I would like to now if anyone has got this vendor to replace the plates that tells the paint codes on the left inner fender.

Bob Geco
1968 280SL

Bob. I have made this plate and will post a photo of it in the nexr day or so.
Craig

Mark280SL · « **Reply #26 on:** May 19, 2008, 14:38:26 »

Craig,

Is the plate you refer to the one under the hood on the left fender that has the numbers stamped from the back side in an embossed fashion? I remember you indicating previously you were not able to do them but reading this made me think (maybe wishful thinking) you might have since come up with a way to do it Or were you referring to the one from the early models that did not have the numbers stamped from behind?

Just wanted to be sure.... I would love to find a way to do it myself or find someone that can do it for me. My plate is missing and I'd like to get one to replace what was once there from my later model 280 SL.

quote:
Bob. I have made this plate and will post a photo of it in the nexr day or so.
Craig

CraigS · « **Reply #27 on:** May 19, 2008, 15:10:26 »

Mark. Unfortunately, we have still not come up with a way to produce the raised letters. I will be going to Germany at the end of June to discuss this amongst a few other things. Will let you know if we come up with a solution.

I have attached a copy of the karosserie plate

J. Huber · « **Reply #28 on:** June 15, 2008, 12:34:22 »

So I sprung for a new data plate for my firewall from Craig. I am pleased -- it really freshens up that area of my engine bay! Looks like the real thing. Not a bad wait either. I'll make this the place to say Thanks Craig.

waqas · « **Reply #29 on:** August 18, 2008, 17:18:52 »

quote:
Originally posted by CraigS

Mark. Unfortunately, we have still not come up with a way to produce the raised letters. I will be going to Germany at the end of June to discuss this amongst a few other things. Will let you know if we come up with a solution.

Hey Craig,
Any luck on recreating the raised letters on the VIN plate of a 230sl?

CraigS · « **Reply #30 on:** August 18, 2008, 19:04:14 »

I will be talking to them over the next week or so, so should have some news soon.

Craig

CraigS · « **Reply #31 on:** September 30, 2008, 23:59:07 »

Sorry to bring this topic up after so long, but I have been working steadily on the raised lettering "problem". I am almost there, and have attached some images of an options plate with raised lettering. This is from my own 450 SEL 6.9, and this plate is now a template for further options plates. There is still some work to do, such as the corners of the plate need to be cut at 45 degrees to replicate the original.

The chassis plates represent a bigger logistical problem, as the plates need to be produced in Germany (with lettering but without the raised numbering) then sent to Australia for the raised stamping, so really bit of a nightmare, but perfection will eventually win out ! What all of this means is that they are going to be somewhat more expensive than the current style of chassis plates.

The next step is to have some chassis plates made and sent to Australia for the stamping. I hope to have this completed by Christmas and some images available.

Raw metal plate

Reverse

With a coat of paint

WIth and without paint

Mark280SL · « **Reply #32 on:** October 03, 2008, 19:40:11 »

Glad you are still going forward on this Craig, When you are ready to make some for sale email me off line and I will be happy to purchase one. I contacted several vendors trying to get one made but all that had even some interest wanted to do large runs and did not want to bother with one or two plates. I found someone who would make me the proper stamps to do it myself but I simply don't have the time and maybe not the skill/patience to do it to the level of quality I want to end up with so I have done without so far. Keep us posted and thanks for your efforts!

hands_aus · « **Reply #33 on:** October 07, 2008, 03:09:21 »

Hey Craig,
My early 250SL DATA PLATE shows the numbers are JUSTIFIED to both the left and right.
Is it possible that MB used different standards on different models?

early 250SL data plate

CraigS · « **Reply #34 on:** October 07, 2008, 03:33:56 »

Absolutely ! Nothing they ever did was standard between models. The only constant appears to be that they used the 4 lines, and that is the part I am most concerned about. As long as they use the 4 lines, I can adjust the alignment accordingly.

waqas · « **Reply #35 on:** October 20, 2008, 00:34:20 »

Hey Craig, great work on the raised lettering!

The only [minor] point I'll make is that it appears that the font is slightly different when you compare your 450sel sample and the pagoda. In particular, look at numbers "2"-"6", "9". The original pagoda's seem more rounded, whilst your sample looks more angular.

It could be that MB changed the font between the sixties and the seventies models.

CraigS · « **Reply #36 on:** October 20, 2008, 00:38:16 »

No, you're right. There are changes to the fonts and some numbers are different. The 3 for example is also different, but this is the only font that is available for this process, without buying a range of fonts - which would not be recovered but the number of potential sales, so unfortunately a generic font is all that is going to be available.

Craig

waqas · « **Reply #37 on:** October 20, 2008, 11:51:34 »

Craig,
You're right, that makes sense. Given the sad condition of my plates, I'm in no position to reject the font.

On the other hand, it might be a good idea to keep an eye on the other font's availability, as your target market will open up to all the top restorers if you can get the perfect reproduction.

Looking forward to the finished product!

CraigS · « **Reply #38 on:** October 20, 2008, 12:04:39 »

quote:
Originally posted by waqas

Craig,
You're right, that makes sense. Given the sad condition of my plates, I'm in no position to reject the font.

On the other hand, it might be a good idea to keep an eye on the other font's availability, as your target market will open up to all the top restorers if you can get the perfect reproduction.

Looking forward to the finished product!

Waqas. I understand the need for perfection - that is how I got involved in this in the first place as I could not find the correct plate for my 300b, but I think there comes a point where the costs will exceed the price that people are willing to pay - even for a pefect reproduction. I need to be mindful of the potential market and the possibility that Daimler could be within their rights to close me down, even though they are not producing these plates any longer. I believe they are aware that I am doing them, and have not made any move in that direction, but it is a possibility. Having said that, it is my ultimate goal to be able to find the correct fonts, but I have a feeling that these are proprietary Mercedes, which may require a licence to buy them. I know that is the case for their printing fonts, but the correct stamping fonts may not even exist.

Mark280SL · « **Reply #39 on:** March 03, 2009, 01:55:04 »

Craig,

If you are still out there...... Were you ever able to reproduce the data plate for sale? (reverse stamped plate) I was searching the forums but could not determine if you were ever able to do it. I never had any success and I'm still looking for one.

Mark

Louis · « **Reply #40 on:** April 02, 2011, 14:10:36 »

I wonder if any further progress occurred? Anyone know anything ?

CraigS · « **Reply #41 on:** April 03, 2011, 08:20:08 »

Been a long time coming I know and the last 12 months has been somewhat more hectic than anticipated. However, I will get back on this project. The only problem I can forsee is for those that are missing their plates, there is no way to know what numbers were on the plate. You cannot work this out from the data card. All you could do it to duplicate a plate from someone else's car and add some of the unique details for each vehicle, such as the paint code etc.

mdsalemi · « **Reply #42 on:** April 03, 2011, 14:05:24 »

I do NOT have the firewall plate, nor the plate (if appropriate; I have not heard definitive answers) that is on the driver's door frame (body, not door) for my January 1969 production 280 SL. I do have the plate that is on the left side inner fender with the paint code and VIN. I also have a VIN plate, apparently original, sticking out of the windshield frame.

If reasonable facsimiles are produced--reasonable in price and look--I'm certainly interested, and I suspect others are too.

It would be helpful if those with unrestored original cars could help target the plates by location via photos, and by content via accurate and detailed photos.

(Oh, my world for accurate and detailed photos...many of you know what I mean by that, too!

)

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