Door panel removal questions

[thomasw]

Hi all!
I have to remove the door panel on my w111 coupe from 1961. I have figured out the most but i don't know what the best way to remove the door lock chrome parts.
It has a little chrome part sitting on the round part, #21 on the parts pictures catalog. Anyone know how to remove that?

[Leester]

Try sliding the two #21 away from the middle of #20. That should reveal two small screws holding #20 in place. Remove the two screws to remove #20.

[wwheeler]

Lee is correct. Those two trim pieces simply slide to cover the screws that hold #20. Given how everything else is fastened to the panels, I always found this a below par method. It is the same on my '60 Ponton coupe.

[thomasw]

Try sliding the two #21 away from the middle of #20. That should reveal two small screws holding #20 in place. Remove the two screws to remove #20.

Thanks!

[thomasw]

Lee is correct. Those two trim pieces simply slide to cover the screws that hold #20. Given how everything else is fastened to the panels, I always found this a below par method. It is the same on my '60 Ponton coupe.

Okidoki

[wwheeler]

here is a pic with the plates off.

[thomasw]

here is a pic with the plates off.

Alright, nice picture! When those screws are removed and the mechanism is to be removed so the door panel can be lifted out I guess is has to be disconnected from the rod i can see to the left or is there another under the plate?
And, do you have more pictures of the door? Mine is a early car, body number #216 from 1961 but I think the door is similar to your car.   

[wwheeler]

The pic i took was a pagoda at a friends house. But I am going to my W111 today and the door panels are off. Is there anything in particular you want to see?

[thomasw]

The pic i took was a pagoda at a friends house. But I am going to my W111 today and the door panels are off. Is there anything in particular you want to see?

Everything about the door :-). Specially how the upper part #85 is mounted to be clear of the safest method to remove it.

[wwheeler]

Is your door panel still on? I know how #85 panel cap mounts and is the same as the cap on the rear panel. To remove, you remove the two chrome pates (#108 and #104). Those hold the cap at the ends. There are spring clips (#002 988 45 78) that are fixed into the cap and then press into slots in the door. So just pop the cap upwards off the door. If you need new clips buy from Authentic or other repudiable supplier. Some on EBay are bad copies and do not work. Ask me how I know.

The chrome strip on the cap is press fitted to the cap and comes off with the cap. The door panel is held on to the door frame at the ends by the chrome panels and at the bottom by a chrome rail. it is then screwed to the door frame along its upper edge. They are tiny screws and usually snap off. You can make new screw holes if needed as these are covered by the chrome trim strip. The arm rest and handle also help secure the panel to the door frame.

I wasn't able to take pics of my panel-less door but will in the next day or so.     

 

[wwheeler]

 Here is the pic of my 280SE W111 coupe door sans panel.

[thomasw]

Here is the pic of my 280SE W111 coupe door sans panel.

Thank's!

[thomasw]

I have found what was blocking the driver's side window from being able to roll down all the way. On the last 10 cm there is a guide made of plastic and thin felt which now makes the glass stop against the edge. So the question is, what has happened? Am I missing some more guide or not? My car is an early -61.

[thomasw]

More pic

[thomasw]

More

[thomasw]

This picture shows where it stop

[Pinder]

the plastic guide is likely to be needed to be glued back to the glass edge. i think the felt / glue has failed and slide down off the glass.

[wwheeler]

On my '60 W128 Ponton, A similar plastic guide is screwed to the chrome glass frame. I realize the W111 model doesn't have the frame around the glass. But yes, that guide is meant to slide with the glass and glass carrier inside the channel. I haven't taken the window mechanism apart on my '68 W111 so not exactly sure how it is fastened.

My guess is you will have to take the assembly out in order to install that guide. Would be a good time to replace worn guides and clean and lube the entire mechanism. It seems ominous, But if you take detailed notes about the positions and adjustments of all attaching points, it should go back together about the same as it is now. 

Good luck.

[thomasw]

On my '60 W128 Ponton, A similar plastic guide is screwed to the chrome glass frame. I realize the W111 model doesn't have the frame around the glass. But yes, that guide is meant to slide with the glass and glass carrier inside the channel. I haven't taken the window mechanism apart on my '68 W111 so not exactly sure how it is fastened.

My guess is you will have to take the assembly out in order to install that guide. Would be a good time to replace worn guides and clean and lube the entire mechanism. It seems ominous, But if you take detailed notes about the positions and adjustments of all attaching points, it should go back together about the same as it is now. 

Good luck.

The problem was the guide block. It suppose to sit on the lower end of the glass and guide the window as it slide up and down but it 'fell' of and sat at the bottom preventing to fully slide the window down. My solution was to replace the felt/leather with new felt so the plastic guide block stays on the glass. No glue was needed.

[thomasw]

the plastic guide is likely to be needed to be glued back to the glass edge. i think the felt / glue has failed and slide down off the glass.

Right!