Author Topic: Bring a Trailer Pagoda prices (Read 23992 times)

RJHD3 · « **Reply #75 on:** March 29, 2021, 06:22:00 »

Still learning and digesting a lot in my hunt for my personally ideal W113 (euro, manual, driver quality).

Someone a few posts ago mentioned they doubted BAT bidders would belong to a forum like this. I actually learned of the forum from a just closed auction and wouldn’t have joined if the member posting their car hadn’t been as open, forthright, and engaged in the comments on the thread.

No doubt I will learn a great deal more here than from the dozens of YouTube videos and BAT threads I’ve consumed in the past few months.

But I did want to say that the representation of the forum from at least that member was positive and I’m looking forward to learning more.

Having bought an Alfa Romeo 4C from BAT last year I’d say that it isn’t always the ideal way to buy, but it can be a good outcome for both parties. For me at least, owner engagement in the comments has a lot to do with whether I’ll bid or not.

MikeSimon · « **Reply #76 on:** March 29, 2021, 11:50:51 »

At least one of the current/recent sales of a W113 is a member here.

Navpatagonia · « **Reply #77 on:** March 29, 2021, 13:13:35 »

Yeap, that is probably me

i have looking for about 1 year, in multiple places, and also in Bringatrailer. Finally i felt comfortable with one vehicle and purchased it.
i restored multiple land rover defenders, but always wanted a W113.

know looking for a good mechanic in the Miami area to maintain it.

regards Norberto

MikeSimon · « **Reply #78 on:** March 29, 2021, 14:45:41 »

I was talking about a SELLER.

Chris Long · « **Reply #79 on:** March 29, 2021, 18:56:55 »

Curious as to what electric package you are using...

teahead · « **Reply #80 on:** March 31, 2021, 21:39:17 »

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-mercedes-benz-230sl-28/

A record for a 230SL?

BAT prices are all over the place. Kind of a high price for a #2 car?

114015 · « **Reply #81 on:** March 31, 2021, 22:12:12 »

U-n-b-e-l-i-e-v-a-b-l-e ...

For a Two-thirtie....?
Never heard of such a price for a 230 in the States before...
Wonder whether this sales price is real ....

MikeSimon · « **Reply #82 on:** March 31, 2021, 23:03:28 »

I stand by my earlier statements that BaT is an absolute farce. A bunch of "know-it-alls" who show up at auctions for the same vehicle models, others who "butter up" the seller because they know him.
And then in excess of $100,000.- for a car ON LINE that you haven't seen....Come on! Since when is this the way to buy a car.
I don't care if calcowboy or whipcity or ChicagoGas - who haven't seen the car either!!!! - say it is the greatest car ever to be on BaT.

miked_md · « **Reply #83 on:** April 01, 2021, 01:36:02 »

Hi Mike,

I was the seller of the car that NavPatagonia won the bid on. I will say it is a painful process dealing with many of the commenters. My car was a very nice two owner car with a well known history. I did disclose that there was an accident 22 years ago requiring replacement of the trunk lid and a quarter panel, that disclosure probably cost me $20k. Many of the 113’s sold have had 4 or more owners, who knows the true history of those cars. Was the 230SL that sold today for $145k really worth more than twice my car?

Mike

MikeSimon · « **Reply #84 on:** April 01, 2021, 11:38:25 »

Mike;

I saw your auction. I thought it was really well presented and addressed all possible questions one could have. Then there were these guys who put it down because it was "not original".
One can discuss the difference in value to no end and the question whether the gree 230 was worth more than twice of ours can be answered easily: No!
Unless you buy a car for a museum, in 10 years, that originality of a car when driven, is no longer there, because things will need to be replaced. If you take half the difference and put that money into your car, it is a better "investment".

Cees Klumper · « **Reply #85 on:** April 01, 2021, 12:43:29 »

I have also wondered why one car will bring two or three times the price than one that appears to be as good or better. Seriously tempted to offer any car I would want to sell through BAT but with a reasonable reserve price, because it seems to be an easy way to end up receiving more, or far more, than otherwise likely to happen. Although quite unpredictable as it also seems in the end it's always between only two or three serious buyers.

Jonny B · « **Reply #86 on:** April 01, 2021, 17:43:55 »

On one of the recent auctions, in reading through the comments at one point, the statement was made that the BaT auction comments on the 113 were the place to learn what you need about the Pagoda. Almost fell off the chair chuckling at that one! I am with Cees, just crazy bidding on some of the cars.

mgmoore · « **Reply #87 on:** April 01, 2021, 18:53:24 »

Hi All,

Did any Pagoda owners notice the green 230sl sold on BAT yesterday for 145,000 usd. Looked very nice but in reality not a great deal different from the others sold on bat around the 50-60,000 mark. Interesting that the manual makes a premium over the auto. Had a few of both gearbox types over the years. Always found the manual a bit clumsy in it's change and not particularly well geared. The auto is seamless in it's change but only if the car is set up correctly.

Happy driving! Matt

Cees Klumper · « **Reply #88 on:** April 02, 2021, 01:59:56 »

Yes I saw that green 230 SL sale yesterday, I think it was referenced in another thread here in the forums. My point exactly, that is a nice car but the seller bought it only a few years ago for (as I recall) 60 or 80K and now it sold for twice what similar cars sell for all the time. Go figure.

teahead · « **Reply #89 on:** April 02, 2021, 05:39:03 »

Quote from: miked_md on April 01, 2021, 01:36:02

Hi Mike,

I was the seller of the car that NavPatagonia won the bid on. I will say it is a painful process dealing with many of the commenters. My car was a very nice two owner car with a well known history. I did disclose that there was an accident 22 years ago requiring replacement of the trunk lid and a quarter panel, that disclosure probably cost me $20k. Many of the 113’s sold have had 4 or more owners, who knows the true history of those cars. Was the 230SL that sold today for $145k really worth more than twice my car?

Mike

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1970-mercedes-benz-280sl-48-2/

Yes, the accident damage did hurt your car somewhat. Maybe $5k.

BAT is just weird. Your car is beautiful and with a great color combo. A car like your's averages between $60-80k.

Color is probably the thing that separates the big dollar cars and for some reason...green W113s get big dollars. Don't know why. Brown probably gets the lowest.

badali · « **Reply #90 on:** April 03, 2021, 21:22:49 »

This 560SL is crazy. A few guys with big wallets showing off. Just looks foolish to me.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1988-mercedes-benz-560sl-182/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-04-03

Cees Klumper · « **Reply #91 on:** April 04, 2021, 03:58:46 »

Why not $250K next time.

teahead · « **Reply #92 on:** April 04, 2021, 18:55:35 »

Not sure why these R107s are going nuts now:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1986-mercedes-benz-560sl-125/

MikeSimon · « **Reply #93 on:** April 04, 2021, 19:18:19 »

The reason is, the "collectors" with more money than brain, confuse them with the w113s....

Mike Hughes · « **Reply #94 on:** April 04, 2021, 22:50:55 »

. . . or maybe because the last of the R107s combined a pagoda hardtop and looks and style of an earlier decade with decent performance, a smooth and effective autobox, A/C that works, and safety features such as ABS and airbag SRS. They are not Pagodas, but a few folks here have both, so there must be some attraction . . .

MikeSimon · « **Reply #95 on:** April 05, 2021, 00:09:36 »

Sure, it is not a bad car. Some say, it is the last of the true quality MB cars. But over 100k...

thelews · « **Reply #96 on:** April 05, 2021, 01:15:20 »

And nice R129s can go for as much as 50. Very nice cars, those 129s are.

MikeSimon · « **Reply #97 on:** April 05, 2021, 17:27:48 »

A W113 with a 350 V8 conversion was entered on BaT. Let's see what that brings. The resident experts have already started to praise it.

Benz Dr. · « **Reply #98 on:** April 05, 2021, 21:45:02 »

I'm starting to see resto-mod 190 and Pagodas showing up on a regular basis on Bat and other sites. I don't care much for them but when I see club presidents praising the efforts of completely bastardized examples I really have to wonder what's going on. As some of you may remember, I was the one to ask that we move all of the modify your car posts on this site to a separate forum that I called R&D.

A decent 560SL with under 50,000 miles was already bringing good money as much as 10 years ago so a time capsule with 6,000 miles on it is hardly surprising at 100K. How many can there be?

129? Well MB shot their foot off on that car. Very nice looking cars with lovely interiors but a mechanical POS. When MB realized that people were repairing the amplifiers for idle speed, cruise control, ECU, and other expensive electronics that often fail on 107's, they cleverly filled all of those units on 129's with epoxy so they couldn't be repaired - only replaced with new. 129 are cheaper than 107's for a reason and that's one of them. No one wants them - they can quickly become one of the worse buys you've ever made. Great way to promote customer loyalty, I might add.

franjo_66 · « **Reply #99 on:** April 06, 2021, 00:48:52 »

Hi Dan

I have a R129 (1991) model and I think that there electrical problems are with the later post 1993 models that had issues with the wiring harness.

My car has only had issues with the distributor caps (known problem with moisture) but this was easily solved with upgraded caps. Other than the basic maintenance items, the only other common issue is the soft top hydraulics which again can be repaired with better & upgraded units (not expensive).

Touch wood, my car and other colleagues with R129s have not experienced issues with electrical components, although the later cars may be more prone, especially the models that had the M113 engine & 5 speed 722.6 auto

The earlier models with M119 engine and the four speed 722.3X autos are pretty bullet proof. My car is driven regularly and it's one of those cars that I can hop into and go anywhere without fear of stopping or breaking down.

Regards
Franjo

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Author Topic: Bring a Trailer Pagoda prices (Read 23992 times)

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