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mauro12

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Firewall pad
« on: October 22, 2018, 21:25:24 »
Hello guys, I’m looking for a new firewall for my car because mine is very old and cracked. Do you know some website in Europe where to buy? I have already tried sls shop but I’m not convinced.
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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2018, 21:41:23 »
Alfred
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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2018, 22:36:43 »
On this side of the pond; you may consider to get the somewhat corresponding diamond pattern item; for instance from vendor:
https://oldtimer-ersatzteile24.de/navi.php?qs=Stirnwand
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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2018, 00:21:47 »
I buy mine at Authentic Classics, not sure if they ship to Europe?
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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2018, 04:56:57 »
On this side of the pond; get the corresponding diamond pattern item for instance from vendor:
https://oldtimer-ersatzteile24.de/navi.php?qs=Stirnwand
Hans,
although the two products have a diamond pattern they are NOT the same.
Authentic Classics sells a pad made from material very close - if not identical - to the  "tarpaper" of the original MB firewall.
The other one is the plastic pad sold by: https://vintageeuroparts.com/index.php/mercedes-diamond-pattern-firewall-pad-w113-113-230sl-250sl-280sl-pagode-pagoda.html
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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2018, 08:11:32 »
I bought mine from Niemoller.de in Germany IoT’s super perfect .

Good luck

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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2018, 11:34:02 »
Another source is   Classic-Mercedes-Parts.com
they are in Belgium, i used there fire wall pad , but its
for 65 230SL, not sure if they have 250-280SL, the fit was excellent.
very fair price and fast delivery.

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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2018, 12:20:32 »
Is it complicated to install? Do you have to remove all cables or not?
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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2018, 00:07:16 »
Mauro , No its not complicated to fit, just remove as less as possible cables,
most times just cut with sharp blade to fit over rather than  remove cable.
A small tip ,some spray can brands of contact cement are not very good,-may peel.
Over the years i have found that  applying with small brush use plenty  put on
fast, and leave it to dry at least 30 minutes before placing on. regards.

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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2018, 01:44:46 »
In my car I have also the VIN plate and these firewall pads that I have seen aren’t designed in that special shape.. what have you done about this problem ?
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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2018, 04:30:27 »
Mauro,
if your car has the VIN plate on the firewall you can cut out a rectangle with a razor blade or buy one that has the cut-out already like this one:
https://www.authenticclassics.com/Firewall-Pad-Set-LHD-250SL-280SL-WITH-VIN-TAG-p/auth-009170.htm
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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2019, 12:09:57 »
 Thank you guys for all your answers. I have seen also sls shop selling the pad for about 57€. I wanted to ask you if the correct thickness of the pad was 5mm. Thank you
Mauro Pisani
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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2019, 13:00:47 »
I just installed the Authentic Classics version on a friend's 250sl right before PagodaFest.  It is very nice. Installation was  easy.  Just peel and stick.  I only had to make one small cut to install around the speedo/tach/temp gauge holes.  This same cut in my original pad.

Vintage Euro Parts sells two versions of the firewall  pad.   The "concourse"  and the "plastic" version.  Big price difference.

VEP donated the "Concourse" version to PagodaFest's Silent Auction.  I just happened to have both the Authentic Classics version and VEP's Concourse version side by side. They appeared identical including diamond pattern,  tar paper material, and peel and stick backing.

Unless you are on a budget I would stay away from the "plastic" version.


Concourse
https://vintageeuroparts.com/index.php/mercedes-diamond-pattern-firewall-pad-w113-113-230sl-250sl-280sl-pagode-pagoda.html

Plastic
https://vintageeuroparts.com/index.php/firewall-insulation-pad-for-mercedes-230sl-250sl-280sl-113.html
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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2019, 13:02:37 »
I have a very low mileage unrestored 280SL that still looks new. Here's what an original firewall pad looks like. Hope this helps.
John
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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2019, 13:28:32 »
Quote from: john.mancini
I have a very low mileage unrestored 280SL that still looks new.../...
Nice indeed! We love original Pagoda cars, and pictures of them. Your car is a 1969, I suppose(?).

Seems some mechanic talked you into replacing all the original hose clamps in your engine compartment...
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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2019, 13:51:56 »
It's a late 69. I bought this from the original owner's estate almost 17 years ago. It had 38,00 original miles it and was absolutely pampered. It was a "Feature Car" on the early 113 website. It's hard to find original cars. Yes, I replaced all original hoses and clamps.
John
68 280SL 906 Blue 4-sp
69 280SL 906 Blue
70 280SL 904 Blue
70 280SL 571 Red
70 280SL 040 Black 4-sp
66 230SL 162 Blue/Grey 
68 280SL 568 Red 4-sp
69 280SL 304 Horizon Blue
65 230SL 519 Red 4-sp
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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2019, 14:06:13 »
here's another original pad, '67 250
Enjoy some pictures at this link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8292359@N06/sets/72157603240571101/show/

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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2019, 14:27:28 »
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.../... Yes, I replaced all original hoses and clamps
Ok, hope you kept the originals in a box, to go with the car...  Or you can give them to me ;)

Especially the ones for the power steering hoses are hard to come by (see attached)
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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2019, 15:10:01 »
I keep everything!!   :)
John
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69 280SL 906 Blue
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70 280SL 571 Red
70 280SL 040 Black 4-sp
66 230SL 162 Blue/Grey 
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69 280SL 304 Horizon Blue
65 230SL 519 Red 4-sp
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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2019, 19:20:45 »
They cost a fortune... and in addition to that you have to pay customs duty to have in Europe. The diamond pattern is by far more beautiful than the normal one, but it’s worth 275dollars?
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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2019, 09:47:04 »
Www.niemoeller.de they are in Germany, I used it on my car since two years . It’s perfect

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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2019, 13:06:20 »
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.../...you have to pay customs duty.../...
What? You buy in Germany, and EU means, there is no customs into Italy...
https://oldtimer-ersatzteile24.de/Produkte#/dfclassic/query=Pagode&query_name=match_and
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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2019, 23:29:59 »
I actually have 2 of the firewall pads that were made by the forum a number of years ago.
I am familiar with Vintage Euro pads and although not made like the original does look good and are easy to install.
The ones that I have would require more work to properly install correctly.
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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2019, 13:00:32 »
Have you noticed a noise reduction inside the cabin after replacing the firewall pad?
Mauro Pisani
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Re: Firewall pad
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2019, 15:04:40 »
I’ve just noticed that sls shop has for sale a firewall REPRO for only 54€. Have you ever tried? Is good material?
Mauro Pisani
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