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111 project underway
« on: September 29, 2009, 02:55:07 »
I came across another extremely worthwhile project that now sits in my garage awaiting thousands of hours worth of hard work. I beautiful 1970 280se once  3.5 that once lived a life in a private car collection only to end up being used a parts car by its next owner for a 1970 Cabriolet 3.5 conversion.

Essentially I am doing a conversion from a 3.5 (all is gone from the eight cylinder conversion) I have everything from the beneficiary, a 1970 6 cylinder cabriolet recipient.
This car is beautiful. Great body, paint, new wood and interior. Fantastic rust free floors and body.  Clean clean clean. It even smells nice when you peruse its interior.

Due to my budget its in the best interest to make this car a near perfect 6 given all the left overs from the 6 cylinder cab.
I'm looking to connect with those who may have a  280SE 6 COUPE to reference hurdles along the way.
I love this car and can't wait to make her run and drive again.

I need a Mercedes shrink.

Help.

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Re: 111 project underway
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2009, 06:06:21 »
Have you thought about a later motor? So you could keep the V8/3.5 or similar.

Mechatronik recently did a cab 5.6. It rides too high and looks a little odd but just wondering if there's a more powerful/modern/lighter motor that you could use to keep the power up

Not that one does anything but waft in an Se coupe

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Re: 111 project underway
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2009, 02:24:53 »
Have you thought about a later motor? So you could keep the V8/3.5 or similar.

Mechatronik recently did a cab 5.6. It rides too high and looks a little odd but just wondering if there's a more powerful/modern/lighter motor that you could use to keep the power up

Not that one does anything but waft in an Se coupe



Thanks for your thoughts.
I have thought about another V8, but that essentially requires purchase of nearly another whole doner car to make it work. I would need engine, transmission, drive shaft, body and engine harness and all spot welded brackets under the hood.

With this car I have all of the above list of parts swapped out (essentially a doner) from a same year 1970 280se Cab. I can basically make it into a correct 2.8. It is what it is at this point.

Already starting prepping the engine bay for paint and installation of the 2.8 battery box. Also have started cleaning and sandblasting chassis parts. Will make the car correct and without mods. There weren't to many low nose 6's. I think the car will be alot of fun to go cruising around with the family.

Looking to connect with other 111 280se owners that may have the same car.

PDP 
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Re: 111 project underway
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2009, 02:33:23 »
I have the older sibling, a 1966 250 SE/coupe. Let me know if I can be of any help.

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Re: 111 project underway
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2009, 03:47:43 »
Wow

I love your car! I may take you up on your offer. I'm finishing up some work on another 230SL this week. After that my after hours are dedicated to this 280 project. More to follow on this post.

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Re: 111 project underway
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2009, 03:52:14 »
I own a 111.025 1970 280se cabriolet...I too am currently restoring the car.  I have it completely apart and hope to be finished next summer.  Please let me know if I can help!

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Re: 111 project underway
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2009, 11:51:51 »
Hi,

I also have a 70 coupe factory 5 speed, I actually restored mine before starting on my Pagoda. In my opinion w111 coupes were by far the best looking ones produced! Right? ;)

Let us know.
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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2009, 21:29:47 »
Shaun,

Gorgeous car! Nice color combo too!  ;)

So what is the color code? It looks slightly darker than my DB268.

Similarities: green/cognac, Euro lights, sunroof, ivory wheel.
Difference: foglights, high-grille/low-grille, early 250 trim vs. 280 trim, 4-sp vs. 5-sp.

I completely agree, this has to be one of the prettiest cars ever made, a stunning example of industrial design.

Would be cool to have a side-by-side photo session some day!

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Re: 111 project underway
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2009, 21:57:30 »
Hi Waqas,

The color is a 291H dark olive green, at night it almost looks black, With this car I get so much looks that my wife would not allow me to drive it alone anymore   ;D

I agree a photo session will be fun, perhaps in California! Within the next year or so would like to take a trip across the country to Northern CA and back. Sonoma county anyone? Stopping at a few vineyards enjoying the view and good wine!

Shaun
 
« Last Edit: October 29, 2009, 22:47:42 by w113dude »
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Re: 111 project underway
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2009, 23:48:54 »
Thanks to all for your responses.

I would love to see any and as many under the hood shots that cover the left and right side inner wheel well areas and the firewall area. I'm interested in the battery box and its 4 mounting bracket positions, the right inner fender well area that has a bracket spot welded on to accommodate tech voltage regulator and other relay boxes, and the entire fire wall area and all under hood wiring locations and electrical components.

I will soon post some pictures of the car.

Cheers.
PDP
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Re: 111 project underway
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2009, 20:38:58 »
Peter,

I have already put my car in storage for the winter, if you can wait a week or so i'll be able to send you some images from my warehouse.
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Re: 111 project underway
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2009, 14:16:02 »
Peter,

I have already put my car in storage for the winter, if you can wait a week or so i'll be able to send you some images from my warehouse.


Thanks for your interest in helping. I see your not too far away from where I reside.
I look forward to future conversations.

PDP
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Re: 111 project underway
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2009, 02:54:04 »
Peter,

I'm not sure if you have this book below by Tim Slade, it's some what of a Bible for w111's. It is a must for restoring w111 coupes and sedans, there is a lot of useful detailed information, well worth the investment. They used to cost a lot less but now they have gone up in price. I just spotted one on eBay in UK for about $73.00
Here is the image:
« Last Edit: November 08, 2009, 14:34:33 by w113dude »
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Re: 111 project underway
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2009, 22:56:12 »
I'm currently in the process of restoring a 66 250SE convertible that has a lot of issues.
1. Colour has been changed from helblau (mid blue) to unknown metallic grey/gunmetal, including engine bay. Every panel has a blemish or defect of some kind so she will probably have to have a complete repaint. Trouble is, which colour?
2. Lots of welding required. (Now completed)
3. Chrome not rusted but a bit dull and thin, with some dents to the bumpers. Can't decide on whether to attend to this or not!
4. Original tan brown leather interior is not too bad, just not a very nice colour combo!
5. Soft top perished and in need of replacement. (Cabrio.de €1800)
6. Wood dash in poor condition and in need of (expensive) refurbishment.
7. Factory data sheet has revealed that the car was first sold in Sierra Leone! She's RHD and I have little history.
8. Mechanically sound but I do have a 280SE 3.5 V8  complete drivetrain which I'm tempted to install, but I worry that it will de-value the car.
(I may also have a 6.3 drivetrain........................!)
9. She'll be for sale when completed, but it would be nice to find the buyer now so they can specify the finish.
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Re: 111 project underway
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2009, 00:45:49 »
Hi,

A 250se Cabrio in very good condition will bring $60K or so (In USA)
I'm not sure by changing the drive train you'll really be adding to the value!
Rust on these cars are worst than w113 (in most cases) specially the rear outer floors.
If the soft top frame is there and in good condition the canvas should not be that expensive. costs around $500.00
I would use a violin shop to repair the wood, your best bet & result.

I would leave every thing original including paint, anybody willing to buy this car as an investment would want to buy it as original as possible.

Hope this helps!

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Re: 111 project underway
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2009, 18:57:26 »
Thanks for you input.
The soft top needs all three components, the canvas, the padding and the lining. They are a lot more complicated than the 113 tops and not as easy to fit.
The real question mark that I'm having difficulty resolving is whether to restore her to her original colour. The colour change was fairly comprehensive and so changing her back would be a lot more work than just repainting the outside.
I think I might just put her to one side and thinkabout i for a while.

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« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2009, 21:37:10 »
Peter,

I also have a '68 111024 (see attached picture). It is in good original shape (California) and have been doing a rolling restoration on it for the last two years. I am currently working on the front and rear wheel wells removing some minor rust and then restoring it. I can take some pictures if you like.

Something odd I found was the color of the splash shields. Mine appear to semi-gloss black on the back but BLACK undercoat on the front with no body color paint. The rest of the well is beige undercoat with body color sprayed on top. Can anybody confirm this?

Since there are so many 111 guys here, I have a question. Do you have to remove the lower windshield chrome strip in order to remove the air scoop?

Peter, let me know what pictures you need and I will send them to you. 
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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2009, 21:47:23 »
Since there are so many 111 guys here, I have a question. Do you have to remove the lower windshield chrome strip in order to remove the air scoop?

Yes, both lower trim strips need to be removed. Insane, I know.

The trim strip is held in place with a series of plastic body plugs, so a soft plastic spatula or trim remover tool would be best. The ends of the trims pieces are held in place with a welded-on bolt and nut. Watch out for paint scrates as you work with this end.

It may be possible to slightly lift up the trim strips from the center, just enough to remove the 3-4 screws that hold the air scoop in place, but I didn't try this for fear of damaging the trim.

I replaced my air flap filter and rubber gasket last year, along with removing and re-lubing all my heater cables. There are a few rubber plugs used in that area, which I also replaced.
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Re: 111 project underway
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2009, 22:32:10 »
Something odd I found was the color of the splash shields. Mine appear to semi-gloss black on the back but BLACK undercoat on the front with no body color paint. The rest of the well is beige undercoat with body color sprayed on top. Can anybody confirm this?

Hi W.

Yes the splash shied is all black front and back, the plash guard is a piece that was installed after the car was painted, that is why it does not have the same color & under coating.
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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2009, 22:34:57 »
Something odd I found was the color of the splash shields. Mine appear to semi-gloss black on the back but BLACK undercoat on the front with no body color paint. The rest of the well is beige undercoat with body color sprayed on top. Can anybody confirm this?

Hi W.

Yes the splash shied is all black front and back, the plash guard is a piece that was installed after the car was painted, that is why it does not have the under coating.

It's amazing how your w111 is green also! 291H olive green?
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« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2009, 03:49:10 »
Waqas,

That is insane! What a pain to change the filter. You did exactly what I want to do but I am chicken because of the chrome trim. Thanks for detailed description. It will definitely help. That frontal picture of your w111 is really nice. I love the Euro headlights!

Shaun,

Thanks for the confirmation. Actually, my splash shields do have undercoating but it is BLACK not beige and it is on the front only. In fact the undercoating is sprayed all the way to the edges and the rubber seal strip is then put on top of that. Does that sound correct (can send pics if you want)? My car is 291 Dark Olive Green. Not real common but I like it. My favorite is probably Waqas' color but I have grown to really love the olive green. I guess it is an acquired taste. As with Waqas' w111, the Euro lights are great. The five speed trans I am sure is fantastic to drive.

I don't have whitewalls on it now but will soon. As I am going through the wheel wells, I am also powder coating the rims and adding new Phoenix tires. I found a great powder that has the exact sheen of the original MB black. Can't wait to see how it looks with the white walls.

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« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2009, 04:31:02 »
That is insane! What a pain to change the filter. You did exactly what I want to do but I am chicken because of the chrome trim. Thanks for detailed description. It will definitely help.

I forgot to mention: re-installing the trim was a real nightmare! The piece needs to slip into the rubber windshield gasket (laterally), whilst being pushed down into the body plugs (vertically). Oh, and all this without damaging the trim or scratching the paint. I have a lot of respect for those who can do this with ease and skill.

Another thought: perhaps you can replace the filter and rubber seal from the front cowl opening (after removing the chrome screen). In my case, I was also replacing the fresh-air flap cable sheath, so had to remove the cover. Careful about dropping anything back there; it either leads to the two drain pipes in the firewall, or ends up getting wedged in a couple tight corners; the surface is curved/slanted slightly in order to force any water to emerge through the drain pipes.

That frontal picture of your w111 is really nice. I love the Euro headlights!

I have a spare [used] set of Euro lights and chrome rings in the garage somewhere. I had planned on eventually putting them on fleabay or the MBCA for-sale section. Interested?
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« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2009, 20:47:39 »
Waqas,

Thanks for the offer! I have a lot of other things I have to spend on first unfortunately. Someday......

I do need to replace the gasket around the windshield, so I will put off removing the scoop until then. Thanks for your thoughts.
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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2009, 22:07:31 »
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I would love to see any and as many under the hood shots that cover the left and right side inner wheel well areas and the firewall area.

Hi Peter,

I have some images from my coupe engine compartment, Please let me have your email address so I can forward them to you,(files are too large for the forum)
I just want to remind you that my car is a Euro model not sure if there is any thing different between the two!
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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2009, 05:38:17 »
I talked with Bob Platz who owns a restoration shop and is very knowledgeable about 111s. He in fact, wrote an article in the Star about about a cabrio restoration http://www.mbca.org/pages/Star/articles/TheStar_0108.pdf .

Anyway, he said that without a doubt, the splash shields and the lower rocker covers were installed after the car was painted body color. The splash shield was semi-gloss black on the back and BLACK undercoat on the front. The lower rockers covers have a much smoother "chip guard" coating on the front of them and are black on both sides.
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