Author Topic: hood strap brackets (Read 15670 times)

rmmchl · « **on:** April 07, 2008, 19:12:18 »

2 years ago I purchased a new hood strap and 2 brackets from buds benz-I do not know exactly where they go-on my old one,I had screwed it into the lower hood tensioner bracket and the other side was screwed onto the hood------does anyone have the CORRECT PICTURE that I could see-thank you------------I would love to install these after 2 years

mdsalemi · « **Reply #1 on:** April 08, 2008, 06:19:12 »

Is this what you are looking for?

Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red 568G w/Black Leather (Restored)
President, International Stars Section
Mercedes-Benz Club of America

J. Huber · « **Reply #2 on:** April 08, 2008, 07:51:44 »

Nice pictures. Now I need to buy a strap! I would only ask for the measurement for the upper screws. Mine has never had a strap (since 1979 at least). In fact I wonder if the earliest cars even had them. There are no holes to indicate mine did. But I do understand their importance -- I have had both a gust of wind and an overzealous mechanic open the "bonnet" too far. Are they still available, anyone?

James
63 230SL

Richard Madison · « **Reply #3 on:** April 08, 2008, 12:12:26 »

Michael:

The photos are great but how do we know (if we do know) that the winding shown in the photos is "correct" or "original" or is it just one way to hold the strap? Are there any vintage photos or a service guide for this?

Richard M, NYC

mdsalemi · « **Reply #4 on:** April 08, 2008, 14:18:12 »

Richard,

The answer is you don't. You are relying on the skills of the restorer. It wasn't me.

BUT, if you look at the way the fabric is wound, it makes sense: as you close the hood (bonnet) the fabric self-folds in back of the battery, NOT trying to work its way outside.

Doesn't make it right, it makes it sensible. That's the way he did it; it works, and you are the first person to bring it up.

Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red 568G w/Black Leather (Restored)
President, International Stars Section
Mercedes-Benz Club of America

rmmchl · « **Reply #5 on:** April 08, 2008, 20:03:59 »

thank you so much for the nice pictures-looks like a nice car also

Mike Hughes · « **Reply #6 on:** April 09, 2008, 14:47:17 »

My car has the strap installed like the photos show with one exception: the strap winds one complete turn around the brackets before being secured behind the brackets like in the pictures. This insures that it cannot be yanked out from behind the bracket by a sudden gust of wind. The car is unrestored so I would venture that this may be the way it came originally. I'll snap a picture and post it for you.

- Mike Hughes -ô¿ô-
1966 230SL Auto P/S
Havanna Brown (408)
Light Beige (181)
Cream M-B Tex (121)

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Mark280SL · « **Reply #7 on:** April 10, 2008, 09:37:13 »

Now THAT is an engine compartment to aspire to! I'm still trying to locate correct replacements for the mismatched screws and bolts here and there.

That is a real beauty.

quote:
Originally posted by mdsalemi

Is this what you are looking for?

Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red 568G w/Black Leather (Restored)
President, International Stars Section
Mercedes-Benz Club of America

mdsalemi · « **Reply #8 on:** April 10, 2008, 10:18:29 »

Mark,

Whenever I replace nuts, bolts, screws, etc. I always attempt to use stainless steel. The exception to this would be something very "structural" that would require a stronger bolt; I can't think of anything off the top of my head but I'm certain there are some "grade 8" fasteners somewhere on the car (maybe just the engine) and in that case that's what I would use. Stainless is relatively weak and while great for small things, they don't bolt an engine together with it.

As for mere cosmetic or non-structural, stainless is what I have sourced and used. Places like all these sheet metal screws, trim screws, small machine screws, even larger things like those that hold on the bumpers. Trust me that either you or your mechanic at some point in the future will be happy you used stainless. I also use silver grade anti-seize.

One great source for small quantities of all kind of fasteners is your local nut and bolt store. Brafasco is a chain with locations around the central midwest and Ontario. There are others, I'm sure, near you. Search Yahoo yellow pages or similar, and you are bound to find an industrial fastener store near you.

Mail order, I have used the following:

http://www.boltdepot.com/metric-machine-screws.aspx
http://www.fastener-express.com/

and my all time favorite for cool stuff:

http://www.smallparts.com/

One by one as I do any work, those zinc fasteners get replaced with stainless.

Thanks for the compliments on the engine bay. I didn't do it. I just maintain it...now where's that rag...

Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red 568G w/Black Leather (Restored)
President, International Stars Section
Mercedes-Benz Club of America

psmith · « **Reply #9 on:** April 10, 2008, 11:29:13 »

Michael,

Thanks for the pictures of the strap, it looks great along with the rest of the engine. Also, thanks for the links, I enjoy finding sites like that. Here's one that I have used for ss fastners:

http://www.totallystainless.com/

Pete S.

Mark280SL · « **Reply #10 on:** April 10, 2008, 11:42:51 »

Michael,

Thank you for all that great info!! it really helps.

Mark
1970 280 SL Ivory/Cognac

thelews · « **Reply #11 on:** April 10, 2008, 20:09:16 »

My car, which the previous owner was meticulous about maintaining originality, is exactly the same as Michael's pictured below.

John
1967 Early 250 SL Red/Caviar, Manual

hauser · « **Reply #12 on:** April 17, 2008, 20:42:45 »

I replaced my strap and bracket about a year or so ago. The original one was attached as described by Mike Hughes. When redoing it with the new strap I was unable to wrap it do to the thickness of the material.

1969 280sl 5 spd
Gainesville, Fl.

114015 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 18, 2008, 09:10:34 »

Hello James (Huber),

Our early 230ies didn't came with the hood strap.
This started from any (not soo) early VIN on.

My recommendation: Put it in! It's really necessary and worth the investment & leaving the utmost originality.

The strap is still available at Daimler's but I don't know the number & current price. It's not expensive.

Best,

Achim
(no SL but parts & knowledge collector)

Achim
(Magdeburg, Germany)

J. Huber · « **Reply #14 on:** April 18, 2008, 11:37:02 »

Thanks Achim. I can always count on you! I will likely add it within the year. Is is very painful to see the hood go up to far. This and a new data plate will also help clean-up an otherwise so-so engine bay.

James
63 230SL

66andBlue · « **Reply #15 on:** April 18, 2008, 12:13:07 »

quote:
Originally posted by J. Huber

... I will likely add it within the year. ...

James,
M-B now only sells white straps but you can buy the original tan colored straps from Dave Gallon (see vendors list) and the material is thin enough to be wrapped around the metal bar as shown in Mike's picture. Not expensive either!

Alfred
1966 blue 230SL automatic

J. Huber · « **Reply #16 on:** April 18, 2008, 12:58:17 »

Thanks Alfred. Suppose he has the brackets as well?

James
63 230SL

66andBlue · « **Reply #17 on:** April 21, 2008, 12:50:11 »

quote:
Originally posted by 114015

Hello James (Huber),
Our early 230ies didn't came with the hood strap.
This started from any (not soo) early VIN on. ...

Achim,
I am curious. The spare parts list [Ersatzteilliste] Edition C shows the strap and there is no remark [Bemerkung] indicating that the strap was added "from chassis 00xxxx".
Do you know whether such remarks are only printed when an existing part was changed to another one but not when a new part - that never existed before - was added?

quote:
Thanks Alfred. Suppose he has the brackets as well?

James,
I assume you that you have the torsion bar for the hood and its bracket? And what you are missing is the lower bracket (p/n 113 887 0114) that fixes the strap to the torsion bar bracket, plus the upper bracket (p/n 113 887 0214), correct?
Both of these are NLA and you may have to buy a repro from SLS (or from Gernold) or ask Joe A, or Dr.Benz, or Dave whether they have old parts.

Alfred
1966 blue 230SL automatic

Mike · « **Reply #18 on:** April 21, 2008, 15:30:09 »

Not to hi-jack this thread but can anyone tell me what type and size of screw is used to secure the strap to the hood? Mine has a machine screw but it looks to me like it should had a sheet metal screw instead as my hood does not have a threaded hole or anything that would accomodate a machine screw.

Mike

66andBlue · « **Reply #19 on:** April 21, 2008, 19:08:48 »

Mike,
have checked my car and on the upper bracket there is a sheet metal screw, about a #10 with blunt end.
The lower bracket needs a 6mm x 1.00 machine screw.

Alfred
1966 blue 230SL automatic

114015 · « **Reply #20 on:** April 23, 2008, 15:36:57 »

Hello Alfred,

You are right, this specific parts introduction (hood strap) is not indicated in the parts list. I don't know exactly why but perhaps because especially the last list (Edition C as of Jan 1967) only lists serials when these are typical and critical to the car's integrity. Parts or replaced parts (or added items) which are/were not critical to an earlier car are just mentioned generally (i.e. not from serial xxx on).

Engelen ("Vom Barock zur Pagode") mentioned this change. It was introduced on serial 001339 on 09 Dec 1963 (if I rmember that now correctly...)

Best,

Achim
(no car, only parts & knowledge collector)

Achim
(Magdeburg, Germany)

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