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FUEL INJECTION PUMP
« on: July 21, 2025, 23:14:19 »
I Need a Fuel injection Pump!!

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Re: FUEL INJECTION PUMP
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2025, 01:21:30 »
I appreciate your enthusiasm (all CAPS, exclamation points), but you should ask for a specific model pump.
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Re: FUEL INJECTION PUMP
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2025, 07:57:54 »
Aint looking for a specific one.
R18 r20 R20y r22 r22y r24y

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Re: FUEL INJECTION PUMP
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2025, 13:15:13 »
I have a double plunger injection pump
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Re: FUEL INJECTION PUMP
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2025, 13:21:13 »
I know you had several offers from other members, so I hate to do this, but...

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Re: FUEL INJECTION PUMP
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2025, 20:11:24 »
If you're looking for a specific injection pump for a 230SL (R11), 250SL (R18), or 280SL — including both US and DE versions ranging from R20Y to R25 — fully restored and calibrated, I can check with my mechanic.

He has been working exclusively on Pagoda engines and injection pumps for over 20 years. He has his own Bosch test bench, offers fair prices, and keeps every pump model in stock. Let me know if you're interested by PM?
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Re: FUEL INJECTION PUMP
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2025, 03:02:35 »
I think he's just buying and selling.
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Re: FUEL INJECTION PUMP
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2025, 08:34:41 »
Just a fun fact: around half of all 280SLs were originally sold in the U.S. What’s interesting is that nowadays, many owners of these reimported U.S.-spec Pagodas are converting them to European spec — including replacing the American injection pumps with European ones.

Because of this trend, there's now an oversupply of American pumps on the market (which nobody really wants), while European versions like the R21 are getting harder and harder to find.
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Re: FUEL INJECTION PUMP
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2025, 14:47:04 »
I have a R24Y.  PM me if interested.
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Re: FUEL INJECTION PUMP
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2025, 15:12:55 »
check with marty 0016315891600

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Re: FUEL INJECTION PUMP
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2025, 19:15:06 »
What’s interesting is that nowadays, many owners of these reimported U.S.-spec Pagodas are converting them to European spec — including replacing the American injection pumps with European ones.
SEB
Please elaborate on the advantages of the European pumps.
2K euros for the pump another 2K in labour cost and that is if all go smoothly. What can one expect in return?

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Re: FUEL INJECTION PUMP
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2025, 08:12:27 »
I mentioned it more as a curiosity, because—as you know—the US-spec injection pumps are in my opinion better.

You're asking what one gets in return? Well, apart from spending at least the  4,000 euros for the rebuild and the pump itself (if you’re even lucky enough to find an R11 or R21—they're practically nonexistent), and a sense of satisfaction, you don’t really get much else.

Also, in this German pursuit of originality—does converting a US Pagoda to a European spec really have anything to do with originality anymore? I would argue it doesn’t.
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Re: FUEL INJECTION PUMP
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2025, 11:07:06 »
... the US-spec injection pumps are in my opinion better.

You're asking what one gets in return? ... a sense of satisfaction, you don’t really get much else.
SEB,

If you say they are better, then why do you also say the US pumps don't provide anything?  Maybe I didn't understand your post correctly.
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Re: FUEL INJECTION PUMP
« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2025, 13:48:38 »
You misunderstood me a bit. What I meant is that, in the German market, no one really wants US-spec pumps. Most American-import Pagodas are “Europeanized” during restoration — the headlights are replaced, side markers removed, and the fuel pumps swapped for Euro versions, etc.

As a result, it's now very hard to find R11 or R21 pumps, while there's an oversupply of US-spec versions like R18Y, R20Y, etc. (The "Y", as you know, indicates a US version.)

To be honest, I don’t fully understand it myself — on the one hand, people insist the Pagoda should be original, but on the other, they do everything they can to make sure it isn’t.

That’s all I meant to say.
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Re: FUEL INJECTION PUMP
« Reply #14 on: August 13, 2025, 14:38:43 »
Aside from the model designation, what precisely is the difference say, between an “American” spec pump, and a “Euro” pump?

I understand the headlights, the markers, and bumper over-riders, but swapping the FI pump (unless a noticeable performance difference) seems a bit over the top.

Is the same thing true for the camshaft?
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Re: FUEL INJECTION PUMP
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2025, 17:26:45 »
Most American-import Pagodas are “Europeanized” during restoration  ...  on the one hand, people insist the Pagoda should be original, but on the other, they do everything they can to make sure it isn’t.
If they are changing things to make it "European", then by the definition of "change" they are not keeping it original.  It was only original the way it rolled off the assembly line.
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Re: FUEL INJECTION PUMP
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2025, 18:23:30 »
Aside from the model designation, what precisely is the difference say, between an “American” spec pump, and a “Euro” pump?



While the mechanical construction of the fuel injection pump is identical between the European and US versions, the difference lies in the internal calibration. This includes the rack profile, fuel delivery curves, and altitude compensation — all of which affect engine behavior under different operating conditions.

1. Fuel Delivery and Tuning Characteristics:

European-spec pumps (such as R18 and R21, R25) are tuned for higher performance. They deliver a richer air-fuel mixture, particularly under load and during acceleration. These pumps are calibrated to suit European fuel standards and were developed without the constraints of strict emissions regulations.

US-spec pumps (such as R18Y and R20Y, R24Y) are tuned to run leaner, especially in the midrange and at idle. This was necessary to meet the much stricter emissions laws introduced in the US in the late 1960s and early 1970s.

What’s the real-world result?

European pumps set up usually offer sharper throttle response, more linear power delivery, and slightly higher overall performance.
US pumps can feel more sluggish, particularly in the midrange, although this depends greatly on the engine's overall condition, ignition system, and whether or not the emissions systems are still active.

This is why many enthusiasts in Germany  tend to prefer the Euro-spec fuel injection pumps. They're better suited to spirited driving and more closely match the car’s original performance character in non-emissions-restricted markets.

As I mentioned earlier, the pumps are nearly identical in construction — so even a US-spec pump can be adjusted or tuned similarly. However, the key point is that the "Y" marking clearly identifies it as a unit originally intended for the US market. That alone often makes it less desirable to collectors or buyers looking for a correct European-spec setup.
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Re: FUEL INJECTION PUMP
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2025, 19:05:38 »
Interesting!  I love these little details!!  I believe my FI pump is original to the car.  I'll look tonight to make sure there is no "Y".
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Re: FUEL INJECTION PUMP
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2025, 19:08:12 »
Aint looking for a specific one.
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This thread got a little off topic!!  Make any purchases?
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Re: FUEL INJECTION PUMP
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2025, 22:00:47 »
Interesting!  I love these little details!!  I believe my FI pump is original to the car.  I'll look tonight to make sure there is no "Y".

I will have to agree, interesting. Having driven quite a few different Pagodas, 230, 250 and 280, no two were even remotely close in feel. Much of this FI pump detail might be lost with different tires, and the various conditions of other 50-60 year old parts.
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