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State of 55a alternators in 2025
« on: June 08, 2025, 17:38:53 »
Hey all,

I read through a few years of alternator threads, and it seems the oft-recommended one of years past (0 986 031 020) is out of stock everywhere. I saw in an old post of Joe Alexander's that the W100 55a alternator hooks right up with no modifications (I'd change the wire, of course), though I would prefer an internally-regulated alternator. I do have one of those alternators available to me, should I go that way. But is there a current new option?
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Re: State of 55a alternators in 2025
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2025, 22:21:49 »
Well after shopping around a bit and deciding I wanted an internally-regulated alternator (I believe Bosch AL74), and knowing I needed to change the wiring and I guess the plug, I decided to just take out the wiring harness altogether and upgrade it for the more-powerful alternator as well as improve the cold start logic. The work will be done by our very own Leonardo Peterssen and I look forward to his work.

My highest respect to those who do this day-in and day-out. Removing the harness under the dash was some sweaty work.
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Re: State of 55a alternators in 2025
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2025, 22:29:37 »
That's only half the fun, wait til you have to reinstall it with new grommets!

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Re: State of 55a alternators in 2025
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2025, 12:51:45 »
Just as an FYI, under normal circumstances, that is without the addition of some high current consumers of electricity, such as driving lights, high-powered amplifiers for a kick-a** sound system and related, the “as delivered” alternator is perfectly fine. I’ve had mine for well over 20 years since the restoration and I’ve never had an issue. Mine has an external regulator, which was also replaced during the restoration and no issues with that either.

During the restoration, the alternator was simply replaced with a factory rebuilt on exchange. At the time you could do that with a Bosch factory rebuilt alternator though I don’t know if they’re still doing that. You could still probably do that with third-party versions.
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Re: State of 55a alternators in 2025
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2025, 13:44:32 »
Just as an FYI, under normal circumstances, that is without the addition of some high current consumers of electricity, such as driving lights, high-powered amplifiers for a kick-a** sound system and related, the “as delivered” alternator is perfectly fine.

Indeed, I'm anticipating some day adding AC as well as a supplementary electric fan.
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Re: State of 55a alternators in 2025
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2025, 15:10:38 »
Can you say more about "as well as improve the cold start logic"?   It seems challenged on my '64 230, and indeed MB made a number of improvements over the years, but they were dealing very primitive controls so inherently much more constrained than one would be today.  I've thought a little bit about a better control system, but it hasn't gone beyond thought.
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Re: State of 55a alternators in 2025
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2025, 15:26:12 »
Can you say more about "as well as improve the cold start logic"?   It seems challenged on my '64 230, and indeed MB made a number of improvements over the years, but they were dealing very primitive controls so inherently much more constrained than one would be today.  I've thought a little bit about a better control system, but it hasn't gone beyond thought.

Leonardo Peterssen, one of the vendors on the forum, can implement a system from some of the later cars on our cars. I'm trying to reduce any possible points of failure and improve overall reliability, as well as prevent having to open things up again in the future for any other renovations. Leonardo describes the upgrade here: https://wiredoktor.com/products/mb-w113-230sl-cold-start-harness-upgrade

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Re: State of 55a alternators in 2025
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2025, 18:58:51 »
FYI, I recently upgraded to a higher amp rated internally regulated Bosch alternator because the recommended replacement for my '68, (the Bosch AL64), quite clearly could not deliver enough current, especially at hot idle.   When I added up all the measured currents for the fuel pump, AC clutch solenoid, aux. radiator cooling fan, improved lighting, oil pump, and other audio/tech bits I want to add later, it seemed 55A wasnt going to be enough current.   

When bringing the car back to life a few years ago I also went through several bad regulators from a couple different manufacturers and hadn't found any that lasted very long, maybe because I was overloading the stock alternator, not sure, but I decided to go internal.

So I've been running a rebuilt Bosch AL69X (80A) with an internal regulator for a few months now and the real-time battery monitor shows it maintaining >14.2V fully loaded at idle on a very hot day, even higher if cold,  so I've been very happy with it.   Mounting is slightly different but easily workable.  It's also a bit deeper so less room for cables between it and the manifold.  I also added an additional heavy copper cable directly from the alternator to the battery, routing with the stock battery-to-starter cable around bottom of the engine.  This significantly reduced voltage drops, and I believe eased the load on the old harness, which I had already rebuilt myself, but without increasing wire sizes as I should have in hindsight.

Everyone's situation is unique but thought I'd share what worked for me. Hope it helps.  Here's a link to the one I purchased :  https://www.summitracing.com/parts/BCH-AL69X
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Re: State of 55a alternators in 2025
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2025, 19:17:48 »
Mounting is slightly different but easily workable.

Hi Roy, what should I instruct my mechanic if I purchase this alternator in re: mounting?
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Re: State of 55a alternators in 2025
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2025, 21:28:25 »
Hi, yes there are a few things to be aware of when moving from the Bosch AL64 to the AL69 with internal regulator.   Sorry this is long but since it was recent I remember a lot, hope it helps.

The AL69 has only two mounting holes vs. three on the AL64, but only two were ever used anyway so it becomes obvious there is going to be only one way to make it work mechanically.   The "long" hole is on top with the AL69 so a longer bolt will be needed on top to reach all the way through, but thats easy enough to pick up at HomeDepot.   I suggest comparing the 360 degree view of each alternator on the Summit website I sent a link too earlier.  That way you can see the differences in the body styles of the two alternators very clearly.  Also I'll add a picture of my AL69 as mounted so it should be easy to see differences compared to how yours is mounted now.  Bosch's website also has some good pictures of each, plus schematics for wiring diffs that I referred to,  not plug-n-play but easy to adapt wiring.

The AL69 comes without a pulley but it was easy to pull the one off the AL64 and move it over.  I also ended up changing the belt to a slightly different size so that the new alternator could sit in the best condition.   Hard to describe in words but when you get it in there it will be obvious that it needs to sit in a certain spot for best clearances and with the way the mounting adjustment works that position is determined by belt length.   I just noted the belt size on the old belt and could tell I needed to add a little length to get it to the best spot.  Just went to the local auto parts store and asked for a slightly longer belt.   The guy just stared at me and asked, for what? a lawnmower?   Everything is serpentine belts these days, nobody asks for V belts anymore.   The old timer behind the counter dragged one up, but if you have a problem just go to amazon where I bought a backup.  I settled on this : Goodyear 15328 V-Belt, 15/32" wide, 32.8" Length

The AL69 is a bit deeper and leaves less room to work with the wiring.  I said above that it gets close to the manifold but thats wrong as you can see from the picture.  The main output lug does get close to the thermostat housing mounting bolt and the idle air hose.   I had to remove that hose while working on it.   I suggest having all the wiring worked out and terminated properly before installing the alternator so all you have to do is hook it up.  Realistically you'll probably have it in and out a couple times to get all the mechanical mounting solid and tight.   I had to rework the cable on the output lug a couple times because I added a hefty additional wire from the output over to the battery directly, which you can see in the picture with the heavy red heat shrink on it.

If you want to keep the original 3 prong regulator plug to maintain original wiring just in case you ever need/want to revert, then you'll need to harvest the socket from the old AL64 and use it to build an adaptor cable to go from the harness plug over to the new AL69 which doesnt use a plug/socket.   The internal regulator on the AL69 takes care of itself but you still need that alternator wire going back to the dash, and thats really the only wire of the three which would have gone to the old external regulator.   I also added an additional 8AWG ground strap from the alternator case to chassis ground because I was really trying to reduce voltage drops as much as possible and didnt want to depend on the the different alternator mounting scheme for the ground return.  Maybe overkill, but I'm also sure to get max voltage possible over to the battery now.  This is not a bad idea for any alternator type on our type of car.  Cant hurt anyway.

thats all I could think of for now but dont hesitate to ask any questions.  This was a fun upgrade.

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Re: State of 55a alternators in 2025
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2025, 22:13:27 »
Oh, I see you've got an A/C car, so your alternator is more easy to access. Mine is down below. Drat. I wonder how this would effect the mounting.

Nonetheless, your post is probably very useful to someone who likewise has an A/C car.
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Re: State of 55a alternators in 2025
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2025, 21:23:49 »
If you dont have the AC installed yet then you might not really need the aux. radiator fan yet either and that drops your current loading quite a bit to where I'd expect the AL74 55 amp to be fine for now.   AL74 looks like plug-n-play mechanically but you will still need to build a plug adaptor to bypass your external regulator.    Whenever you install the AC, you'll want the aux cooling fan, and I'd assume you will have to add in the big steel mount and push the alternator up top like the picture above and then you could switch to the AL69 when you really need the additional current.

Warning, I had to pretty much pull off everything up front when I mounted my new compressor.  Off came the hood, grill, radiator, water pump as I remember they shared mounting bolts.   Nothing that hard, just took a while because everything is so tight.  I just came from a local car show with a bunch of 60's mustangs, camaros, chevelles, all the usual awesome american beauties and I do envy how much room they have to work in those engine bays.  Much simpler engines of course and I wouldn't trade, but the space they have to work in is so nice.   I'm still scratching my head how Mercedes figured out how to stuff 3 times as many parts in a much smaller space vs. a mustang.   
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Re: State of 55a alternators in 2025
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2025, 22:05:05 »
Warning, I had to pretty much pull off everything up front when I mounted my new compressor.

Did you use a more modern compressor for this, or the one original to Kuhlmeister/Fridgiking?

Also, as far as everything being jammed together... tell me about it! But I'm sure you've looked under the hood of a contemporary Range Rover product, and it looks like you're staring into the depths of hell. "Finally," the engineers must have thought, "an engine that can't be fixed!"
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Re: State of 55a alternators in 2025
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2025, 02:48:14 »
I updated to an R134 compressor because it's much more efficient cooling with less load on the engine and it would have been hard to get any R12 equivalent for the old one anyway, assuming I could get the seals right.  The new one has a steel adaptor that bolts on to the old mount and puts it in about the same position for the belts.
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