Locking Gas Cap and Key

[yves]

Thank's Pawel, i'll go to mercedes garage soon  to order one blank and let you know....

[yves]

Pawel, i am still confused by your reference Key YM12.... i can't see on the photos of the blank profile that number !

[Pawel66]

I am not 100% sure, but I think your corresponds to picture with YM12 profile in Technical Manual, not on my attachments.

[yves]

I just come back from Mercedes ......! they don't find the ref of the blank key whatever ignition or hand box .... they said : we keep looking at....! so i wait 
Tomrow i'll go to a locksmith shop and ask ( closed on Monday here)

[BobH]

Hello Yves, can i please ask what your chassis number is.  Your car seems to have been built just around the time when the three single sided keys changed to just one, but you have a double sided ignition key and single sided door and trunk keys, so there may have been some sort of transition between the key change that's not documented in the tech manual

Balseed seems to have the same key set up as you, a double sided ignition key and single sided door and and trunk

https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=38519.0

[mnahon]

Hi Yves,

Your glovebox key is a Taylor M68H. That corresponds to a TV profile in Pawel's table (also called YM5). You can find this in the attached key equivalence pdf. If you search in the document for the Taylor M68H, you'll see it corresponds to Ilco 63TV. If you then search for Ilco 63TV, you'll find that that corresponds to an Alba A58A,  Dominion 63TV, an Orion YS7L, Silca YM5, or Silca YM5R. So any of those blanks should work for your glovebox key.

Your ignition key is an AMA ME HF, which is an HF profile and the most common names for these keys are MB16 or M79U. You'll find many of these on ebay if you search for 'MB16 key'. If you look through the correspondence file, you'll see the blanks corresponding to this are Dominion YM17, Ilco MB16, Orion YS16, Silca YM12, Taylor M79U (I'm only listing the most common ones here).

It's worth mentioning that if you get a new key cut by copying the old, worn, key, the copy may not be much better. Ideally, you should get the key cut 'from code'. That would mean getting the codes from your data card, and hoping that the locks were not changed since the car was built.

Good luck,

Meyer

[Pawel66]

I just come back from Mercedes ......! they don't find the ref of the blank key whatever ignition or hand box .... they said : we keep looking at....! so i wait 
Tomrow i'll go to a locksmith shop and ask ( closed on Monday here)

Please tell them:
VIN 113044
Group 44 Steering
Subgroup 001
Switch off the filters
They will find:
A 000 760 04 06 Master Key (available from Germany, EUR 25-30); Note there: as of chassis 043 002980
This is for the newer steering column set up.
For the older steering column:
A 111 462 01 32 Key, Note: NLA

That is for the ignition switch.

Now for the door lock:
Group 72 Front Door
A 000 766 11 06 Key, Note: up to chassis 044 010355, state lock number when ordering (that is why I think transition for other keys happened later than for the ignition key); availability unknown

A 000 766 19 06 Key, Note: up to chassis 044 010355, NLA

A 000 766 38 06 Key, available

A 000 766 40 06 Key, not available

A 000 766 44 06 Key head and mounting wedge for Master Key; Note: as of 044 010356; available

A 000 766 45 06 Key head and mounting wedge for secondary key; Note: as of 044 010356; available

 In essence: at Mercedes they will have a Master key and secondary key for one-key cars. They will not have earlier versions. For earlier versions you would have to identify the profile based on data card and have the keys and locks made. Locksmith will fit the key to lock or lock to key, but will not change the lock profile - this goes with the cylinder.

Also: if the car was not a one-key car, keys for doors and fuel were the same. Keys for trunk and glove compartment were the same (privacy zones logic for valet parking).

[Pawel66]

Hi Yves,

Your glovebox key is a Taylor M68H. That corresponds to a TV profile in Pawel's table (also called YM5). You can find this in the attached key equivalence pdf. If you search in the document for the Taylor M68H, you'll see it corresponds to Ilco 63TV. If you then search for Ilco 63TV, you'll find that that corresponds to an Alba A58A,  Dominion 63TV, an Orion YS7L, Silca YM5, or Silca YM5R. So any of those blanks should work for your glovebox key.

It may be that profile, indeed, sorry. The edge is shadowed on the picture, I missed the edge there, you are right...

[yves]

Here is my data card : but i modifyed  ....with numbers erased! so not useful now

[yves]

Meyer and Pawel, you are smart guys....., no very smart 
Now i have all i need , hope MB will take those files and help me....?
I let you know...

[Pawel66]

Do not post datacard with lock code numbers not covered!

Yes, you have a transition car, apparently. VIN number confirms it. Ignition changed to symmetrical, but not yet a one-key car.

Ignition key is the same code as mine for a symmetrical key. But you have separate codes for door/glove/trunk/gas.

Trunk and glove box: KV
Gas and door: TB

KV is YM5 or 63TV profile as mnahon rightly pointed. Your key profile is correct for glove box and trunk, not for gas cap.

Gas cap and doors should be TB, which is MR63E or YM4 profile. You may check your other key if it matches this profile.

When you look at my sheet with profiles, the dark profile image is depicting the keyhole, not the cross section of the key seen from the tip of the key (mistake made often).

Locksmith will check if the cut outs on the key correspond to your code - they have it in the computer. One thing they probably will not be able to do is to change the profile, you would have to have a cylinder with a correct profile.

What you can buy at Mercedes is a blank for ignition key with a black plastic head. They will not have the other keys. What you need is a Master Key, Secondary Key will not fit anywhere.

For the other keys you can buy e.g. a Silca blank (this is what locksmith should have access to) or original Ymos or Huff.

[yves]

News .... ! today , MB is not sure to find my key code ( i gave them with the identification card...!), even the blank ! So i went in a locksmith shop and there the manager was a true professionnel. he found the ignition blank key with the data card numbers and he had it in his stock  he put the codes in his machine telling me it could be not functional if there is too much used parts in the tumbler. He did exactly the same process with the hand box key but he kept my old key as a template but keeping 0.2 mm more metal in grinding the blank.
I went back at home and the 2 worked except the gas cap .
So i am in the process i know about grinding the wafers in the tumbler to match with the key.

[AndrewB]

Good result !