Author Topic: Cylinder 1 Misfires at Idle - Blue Smoke on Acceleration  (Read 734 times)

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My 250 engine was rebuilt about 3,000 miles ago. It has started to misfire at idle and produce blue smoke on acceleration after warmup. No smoke when cold. Runs OK at speed. No stumbling but produces bluish smoke.

Pulling the wire for cylinder one does not change the rough idle as it does with the others. Thus cylinder one is the culprit. The misfire stays on cylinder one when switching plugs and wires. One's plug fires when rested on the head.

My next check is the injector.

Any ideas or suggestions?
Paul Greenblatt
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Re: Cylinder 1 Misfires at Idle - Blue Smoke on Acceleration
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2022, 23:50:11 »
Check compression on number one.
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Re: Cylinder 1 Misfires at Idle - Blue Smoke on Acceleration
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2022, 00:05:37 »
1 = 145
2 = 127
3 = 127
4 = 125
5 = 131
6 = 130

« Last Edit: June 13, 2022, 00:13:48 by mBdrvr »
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Re: Cylinder 1 Misfires at Idle - Blue Smoke on Acceleration
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2022, 10:04:00 »
I think you may have a look at the fuel injection. The plugs are severely black. Did you check CO and HC parameters?  Talk soon. Martin.

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Re: Cylinder 1 Misfires at Idle - Blue Smoke on Acceleration
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2022, 14:46:44 »
Those are your compression numbers on a fresh rebuild? They should be up around 160 - 170 PSI if everything is working right.
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Re: Cylinder 1 Misfires at Idle - Blue Smoke on Acceleration
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2022, 19:55:28 »
I'm going to swap injectors to see if the problem moves with the injector.

Thanks for the input. I'll post here what I find.
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Re: Cylinder 1 Misfires at Idle - Blue Smoke on Acceleration
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2022, 02:38:30 »
I found there was no fuel getting to cylinder 1. I traced it back to the fuel injection pump. I replaced the pintle in the delivery valve. Now cylinder 1 is getting fuel.

I still have plumes of white smoke out of the exhaust after a stop sign or light.

Any ideas?
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Re: Cylinder 1 Misfires at Idle - Blue Smoke on Acceleration
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2022, 19:53:28 »
It may take some driving since the exhaust system may have filled with soot and unburnt fuel when the problem was happening. If so it should be better when starting with a cold engine and gradually gets worse as the exhaust system warms.
Joe Alexander
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Re: Cylinder 1 Misfires at Idle - Blue Smoke on Acceleration
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2022, 20:26:24 »
A professional mechanic confirmed that it's definitely oil that's burning. Its better when it cold and worse as the engine heats up.

I've driven it about 100 miles and it persists. Should I take a look at the valve seals or drive it more?
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Re: Cylinder 1 Misfires at Idle - Blue Smoke on Acceleration
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2022, 22:28:15 »
Check to see if the transmission fluid is low, if it is an automatic.  A ruptured modulator diaphragm will allow auto trans fluid to be sucked up into the engine and burn off through the exhaust.
Joe Alexander
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2002 SLK32 AMG (350 hp)
1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
1963 404 Mercedes Unimog (Swedish Army)
1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
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Re: Cylinder 1 Misfires at Idle - Blue Smoke on Acceleration
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2022, 22:58:37 »
bad oil rings or bad valve seals.

Let's hope it's not the former.  Not sure how to narrow it down to which one it is.
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Re: Cylinder 1 Misfires at Idle - Blue Smoke on Acceleration
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2022, 01:17:02 »
The pro confirmed that its oil. The transmission and engine were rebuilt within 3,500 miles.

I've removed the valve cover to look for loose valve seals. I can see the wires wrapped around many of the the seals by looking through the springs with a borescope.

Are these in the correct position?
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Re: Cylinder 1 Misfires at Idle - Blue Smoke on Acceleration
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2022, 04:39:27 »
Possibly a valve guide has come loose in the head. The oil drops into the exhaust port below and burns off in the exhaust system. With this situation, the oil never enters the combustion chamber and does not foul any spark plugs.
Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
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2006 Mercedes Sprinter Van
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2002 SLK32 AMG (350 hp)
1982 300TD Wagon turbo 4spd.
1963 404 Mercedes Unimog (Swedish Army)
1989 flu419 Mercedes Unimog (US Army)
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Re: Cylinder 1 Misfires at Idle - Blue Smoke on Acceleration
« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2022, 17:45:05 »
ya, you definitely do not have any fouled spark plugs.

the bad guide (were they replaced?) theory is sound.
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