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230 rear lights
« on: August 24, 2021, 12:25:05 »
Hello all, i was recently reading discussions regarding the rear lights/lenses for the various years.  Before i read this i was blissfully unaware that my 1965 car has later 280 lenses.  Now i know the lenses are incorrect, it's bugging me, even though it's not a show car.  I'm sure it's already been covered in many topics, but my question is, how easy is it to replace the lenses with the correct all red, or red with amber indicator lenses.  I have the plastic 280 bulb holders, so will these need to be replaced with the earlier metal bulb holders, or can just the lenses be replaced?
Sorry if this has been discussed before, i'm sure it has
Thanks everyone

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Re: 230 rear lights
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2021, 01:44:22 »
Bob

Congratulations on your first post.  Welcome. 

(Modified after George’s comment)
Well, you  might be  correct in that your car would originally have the all-red if it was a USA car and other countries that had same.    See George’s note — are your lights all red except for amber turn indicators?

The bulb holders are as you suspected not interchangeable.  So yes, you would need the earlier bulb holders to fit the all-red lenses. 

Not to push you into full membership, but you will find such help in the tech manual with full membership.   

Post some photos as most here love to see a variety of pagodas. 
« Last Edit: August 25, 2021, 03:22:48 by kampala »
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Re: 230 rear lights
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2021, 02:13:29 »
Hmmm - if the car was imported direct to the UK when new and is RHD, I would have thought it would have had  orange indicators
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Re: 230 rear lights
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2021, 03:18:59 »
George

You could be right.  If bob provides a photo we can see if his are the same as Australia lights which are as you described and might be same for UK.  I have adjusted my note so as not to confuse. 
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Re: 230 rear lights
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2021, 00:17:40 »

Bob(H),

These are the correct taillights for your car - if UK version:

(pic from the Web, not mine).

Please see also our Wiki for some more profound explanations:

https://www.sl113.org/wiki/Electrical/TailLights


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Achim

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Re: 230 rear lights
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2021, 00:19:38 »

These ones here
are not correct for your 1965 car (230 SL),
but only for a 280 SL from Feb/Apr 1969 onwards.
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Re: 230 rear lights
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2021, 08:19:42 »
Thanks everyone, i've read all posts on this subject, who knew so much could be written about rear lights!
My car definitely has the later 280 lights, it's spent some time in Jersey and France, so who knows when and why they were replaced
Now i need to decide if it bothers me enough to replace them, probably with new reproductions, plus the hassle of changing the bulb holders, or i live with what's fitted
With so  much going on in the world it seems very trivial to worry about

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Re: 230 rear lights
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2021, 18:15:36 »
Hello Oz, a few pictures

White with blue hubcaps, blue hard top, blue soft top and blue interior

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Re: 230 rear lights
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2021, 21:48:18 »
You may like to see if you can do a search and find just the lenses and replace those.  its a little bit of work getting the old lens out with a Dremmel but a correct original style lens will fit i believe.
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2005 MB A200
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Re: 230 rear lights
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2021, 21:57:46 »
Hello Gary, i've seen plenty advertised, look like varying quality, my lights are good quality German made, probably been on there a good while, and the chrome is perfect.  If i can ever find some used good condition full sets, complete with bulb holders, i may consider it

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Re: 230 rear lights
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2021, 22:01:33 »
Authentic Classics has a correct replacement in all red or orange turn lens. 


https://www.authenticclassics.com/230SL-250SL-280SL-Red-Amber-Right-Taillight-Lens-p/auth-003382.htm

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Re: 230 rear lights
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2021, 22:36:37 »
Authentic Classics has a correct replacement in all red or orange turn lens. 


https://www.authenticclassics.com/230SL-250SL-280SL-Red-Amber-Right-Taillight-Lens-p/auth-003382.htm

As BobH is in UK, maybe cheaper to use European supplier, SLS in Germany, SL Shop etc. eBay is also a good source for parts
230SL

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Re: 230 rear lights
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2021, 21:36:36 »
Hello all

So, i was lucky enough to get some OEM early lenses, complete with chrome surrounds and reflectors, and i've also now bought some metal bulb holders
I assume it's just a matter of unplugging the connector, and changing the bulb holder and lenses etc, but would the connector and wiring have been changed to accommodate the later 280 lenses, or is the wiring and connector exactly the same for all models and years?  I've looked in the technical manual, but still not clear

Many thanks

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Re: 230 rear lights
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2021, 10:24:34 »

https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=1350.msg10113#msg10113

Following on from these posts, my 1965 230SL has the later 280SL lights fitted, with the rubber gasket or seal, which is on show, but it doesn't have any rubber behind the long strip that fits between the lights

The early, model correct lights i intend to fit are sealed, with the reflector and gasket in place, and reading these earlier posts it seems that i don't need any other gasket or seal behind the lights, and so when the lights are fitted, the internal gasket makes the unit weathertight, and there is no rubber on show between the chrome light surround and the paintwork

I stand corrected if i've misunderstood

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Re: 230 rear lights
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2021, 19:42:42 »

Bob....,
That's correct. Absolutely correct.


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Re: 230 rear lights
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2021, 20:11:31 »
Thanks Achim, can you advise on this as well please

So, i was lucky enough to get some OEM early lenses, complete with chrome surrounds and reflectors, and i've also now bought some metal bulb holders
I assume it's just a matter of unplugging the connector, and changing the bulb holder and lenses etc, but would the connector and wiring have been changed to accommodate the later 280 lenses, or is the wiring and connector exactly the same for all models and years?  I've looked in the technical manual, but still not clear

Kind regards

Bob

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Re: 230 rear lights
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2021, 16:50:01 »

Dear Bob,

Sorry please for my late reply.
No, it should unbolt and bolt on just easily.
No rewiring in the plugs or bulb holders necessary.

Good luck!

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Re: 230 rear lights
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2021, 17:16:38 »
Thanks Achim, i'll have a bash next year when the weather's better

Take care

Bob