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CJHenderson

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Upper sump case.
« on: September 23, 2020, 00:44:49 »
I had quite the surprise today, I pulled the upper sump case and the case pretty much fell into my hands without any appreciable pressure applied to it. There was no gasket or sealent between the block and case. Another thing was that there were no baffles inside the case. Has anyone else run into this and is it supposed to be that way? When I reassemble the case should I apply make a gasket sealent?
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Re: Upper sump case.
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2020, 02:57:56 »
Not sure if the factory used any sealant between the block and the upper case. Of course the parts then were brand new and machined perfectly flat. I think what you want is a thin sealant and two come to my mind. Permatex #2 and #3. #3 (also called Aviation) is thinner and is good for metal to metal surfaces. In either case, use a thin coat.

I am not a big RTV silicone fan for this application.
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CJHenderson

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Re: Upper sump case.
« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2020, 08:46:52 »
Thanks for the recommendations.
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Re: Upper sump case.
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2020, 12:17:47 »
No silicone anywhere where it can make its way into the oil sump.
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Re: Upper sump case.
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2020, 15:00:14 »
I use Permatex Gray RTV for jobs like that. It will harden and not leak. Softer types of silicone can and will squeeze out with plugged oil pump screens a small possibility. 
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Re: Upper sump case.
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2020, 16:45:00 »
I use Wellseal with good results.

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Re: Upper sump case.
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2020, 20:52:24 »
I use Wellseal with good results.

Weasel? Tried that once. Stunk the place up so bad no one would come to work for a whole week. :)
1966 230SL 5 speed, LSD, header pipes, 300SE distributor, ported, polished and balanced, AKA  ''The Red Rocket ''
Dan Caron's SL Barn

1970  3.5 Coupe
1961  190SL
1985   300CD  Turbo Coupe
1981  300SD
2013  GMC  Sierra
1965  230SL
1967 250SL
1970 280SL
1988 560SEC

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Re: Upper sump case.
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2020, 06:14:14 »
I use either Yamabond or Toyota FIPG (formed in place gasket).  Both are silicone based but I have never had a problem with it migrating anywhere.  I am careful about how I apply it and after working on countless Asian cars that didn't leak a drop after hundreds of thousands of miles I am sold.