Author Topic: WORLD'S SMALLEST & LONGEST LASTING FIRE EXTINGUISHER  (Read 6696 times)

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Re: WORLD'S SMALLEST & LONGEST LASTING FIRE EXTINGUISHER
« Reply #25 on: July 17, 2020, 18:46:40 »
Paul,

Just received my 2 today.  look great. I can wait to use them.

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Re: WORLD'S SMALLEST & LONGEST LASTING FIRE EXTINGUISHER
« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2020, 23:40:53 »
Paul,

Just received my 2 today.  I can wait to use them.

Mike

Really?

I know what you mean Mike. It just sounded funny.
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Re: WORLD'S SMALLEST & LONGEST LASTING FIRE EXTINGUISHER
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2020, 00:03:43 »
Really?

I know what you mean Mike. It just sounded funny.

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Re: WORLD'S SMALLEST & LONGEST LASTING FIRE EXTINGUISHER
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2020, 13:09:25 »
Has or can the product been submitted for UL testing?

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Re: WORLD'S SMALLEST & LONGEST LASTING FIRE EXTINGUISHER
« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2020, 14:05:50 »
EJ,

Not sure of your UL question, but I do see that it it passed CE standards (Canadian) which is similar in terms of testing, as it is distributed out of Toronto.  It also is ISO9001 compliant.  The UL question is a good one though.

Paul?

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Re: WORLD'S SMALLEST & LONGEST LASTING FIRE EXTINGUISHER
« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2020, 12:02:52 »
From their site:

Originating in Italy, Element has been certified for sale in Europe by CE and TUV. Institutionally it has been tested and certified for use by multiple international military and police groups who have adopted it for active use.

In North America, Underwriters Laboratories (UL) is responsible for the certification of fire extinguishers. UL does their testing to a standard that contains a form (physical shape) component followed by a performance component. Because Element's form does not fit inside of UL's guidelines of what a traditional fire extinguisher looks like (i.e. compressed gas cylinder with a hose and measurement gauge) it is immediately passed over for performance testing. At present UL is being campaigned to update its standards to recognize the different form offered by Element and allow it an opportunity to be tested and certified.

Until the standards are updated Element cannot be used to substitute extinguishers in regulated environments that require a UL (or UL endorsed) certification. Element can however be freely used as an supplement to the extinguishers used where regulation exists.
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Re: WORLD'S SMALLEST & LONGEST LASTING FIRE EXTINGUISHER
« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2020, 14:18:11 »
Peter,

Thank you for referencing our website regarding the question of UL. I answer the UL question virtually every day and could write a book about the absurdities and politics surrounding the UL certification process. 

As mentioned on our website, where an extinguisher is required by law or regulation anywhere in North America that device must be UL listed. In these environments our device can supplement but not replace the UL listed units. Most environments, however, are unregulated (your private vehicle is an example). In these settings you can use the device of your choosing without restriction.

Regarding CE, please note that this is a European certification, not a Canadian one. The Canadian testing body is CSA but they, like every other regulatory body in North America, revert to UL when writing their fire extinguisher standards.

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Re: WORLD'S SMALLEST & LONGEST LASTING FIRE EXTINGUISHER
« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2020, 22:40:07 »
Hi Paul,

Do you have a distributor in Portugal or maybe Spain ? I've tried searching online but no luck.
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Re: WORLD'S SMALLEST & LONGEST LASTING FIRE EXTINGUISHER
« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2020, 13:38:17 »
Pedro,

I sent you a PM yesterday. Please advise of you have not received it. There are no importers in either Spain or Portugal so I forwarded you the contact details of the Dutch importer.

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Re: WORLD'S SMALLEST & LONGEST LASTING FIRE EXTINGUISHER
« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2020, 19:22:09 »
Paul, you mentioned that the origin of this device is in Italy.  Can you share the local distributor?  I am interested in buying a few for our fleet.

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Re: WORLD'S SMALLEST & LONGEST LASTING FIRE EXTINGUISHER
« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2020, 20:55:03 »
Hans,

PM sent.

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Re: WORLD'S SMALLEST & LONGEST LASTING FIRE EXTINGUISHER
« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2020, 22:32:25 »
Thank you Paul.
I have just seen the PM.
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