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Restored and for sale
« on: November 08, 2019, 18:11:29 »
I went to the UK's biggest (indoor) classic car show at the NEC today

2 Pagodas of interest. A fab looking customer car on the Hemmels stand. Not going to win any originality awards as it's in an electric metallic blue (the royal blue equivalent of moss green) with parchment interior. ECU controlled ignition, a/c and headed to the south of France. No pictures, but I am sure the owner will be happy.

Not sure that's the case on the other car. Recently restored and for sale at a London dealer. Here are some pictures and I'll let you have at it for a couple of days before I post the windscreen label...

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Re: Restored and for sale
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2019, 18:12:56 »
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Re: Restored and for sale
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2019, 18:14:50 »
Last 2 - I am sure the new owner will be very happy with a solid car that will drive very well.

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Re: Restored and for sale
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2019, 18:56:33 »
I'm surprised the restorer did not use a repro dash pad closer in appearance to the original.
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Re: Restored and for sale
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2019, 20:14:32 »
I can see where you are heading with this James...
Gee, this itch people have to paint the engine bay black
I have seen it on a number of cars (IRL) lately. Such sloppy research about how the cars came from the Factory;
and/or a clear sign of "Original? That's laughable, I really do not care or want to bother!"
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2019, 22:48:37 »

I think we saw that blue car in restoration , when we were at Hemmels in September, it looked stunning then.

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Re: Restored and for sale
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2019, 23:34:28 »
Ditto to the dash pad, especially given that good repros are now easily available (having said that, my car has the pebble finish and I'm not sure I'll make the effort to change it).  Door gaps are inconsistent -- I'd accept that on a TR-6, but not a Pagoda.  Would never have left the factory that way.  Also surprised that the headlamps notches -- overrated as proof of original fenders as they are.  But the worst is the painted motor compartment ....
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Re: Restored and for sale
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2019, 06:33:46 »
Absolutely ridiculous price for a very poor restoration.

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Re: Restored and for sale
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2019, 07:54:44 »
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That's the car on the Hemmels stand
It really popped and looked really well executed. Not to my taste but it looked great and the colour sort of suits the car.
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Re: Restored and for sale
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2019, 18:24:11 »
Me(Sully)and Ray inspecting the blue car at Hamels

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Re: Restored and for sale
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2019, 10:37:48 »
I think this is the most expensive I've seen outside of the Brabus/MBClassic/Kienle type places
And somewhat ambitiously priced
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Re: Restored and for sale
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2019, 11:14:42 »
That price is simply mind boggling

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Re: Restored and for sale
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2019, 18:46:05 »
Crazy prices. Give me an unmolested original or a car that's been wisely cared for over the years. Costs to restore, and "over-restore" (Hemmels) Pagodas has gotten steep.
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Re: Restored and for sale
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2019, 19:46:19 »
Quote from: JamesL
.../...somewhat ambitiously priced
Seeing this shameful result after a so called "restoration" fills me with horror...  And IMHO it must be questioned to sell this car claiming originality,
especially with such a price tag >:(
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Re: Restored and for sale
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2019, 20:08:00 »
a) it’s worth what someone will pay for it
b) I am sure it’s a very nice car that will make an owner happy and may drive beautifully
c) not everyone cares about spot welds and firewall pads as much as some of us

but I too think it’s nuts on many levels. Particularly as most of those looking at the car when I was there were doing the”well, that’s wrong” thing.
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Re: Restored and for sale
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2019, 22:30:26 »
Crazy prices indeed, and the "Hemmels"  association has crossed the continent to Australia.
This Hemmels restored 280SL was advertised for $429,000 (!!!) here in Sydney. Car sold very quickly and I wonder how this sale will start impacting prices here.

https://classicthrottleshop.com/1970-mercedes-benz-280-sl/

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Re: Restored and for sale
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2019, 23:22:01 »
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a) it’s worth what someone will pay for it
b) I am sure it’s a very nice car that will make an owner happy and may drive beautifully
c) not everyone cares about spot welds and firewall pads as much as some of us.../...
You are right James, and I do agree with you on these points.
Scantily restored, and/or non-original, that may be up to the discretion of the buyers/owners. They pay, and choose their level of quality.

What I am objecting to, and try to pinpoint in my writings, is the shift of facts that is happening in the marketplace. The practice of marketing/selling something that is not ok/original and push for it to be "as a Pagoda automobile looked when it was new".
If they stated for instance "we have strived to reproduce" or "This is our rendering of a classic Mercedes" I would accept that better. Some humbleness put forth from the restorers.
Sometimes I feel like Don Quijote...
« Last Edit: November 11, 2019, 23:27:07 by mbzse »
/Hans S

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Re: Restored and for sale
« Reply #17 on: Today at 00:16:41 »
I am with you Hans, restoring to original is one thing. All the extra “Shine” as in the engine bay of the Hemmels car in Franjo’s post above is certainly not what I picked up at the factory.
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Re: Restored and for sale
« Reply #18 on: Today at 01:36:44 »
Will the buyer that wants to give me £300,000 for my fully and correctly restored (estimated completion Oct 2020) RHD 5 speed 250SL please step forward!

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Re: Restored and for sale
« Reply #19 on: Today at 02:26:56 »
Stickandrudderman,  I am with you.  Let me know if anyone wants a LHD.