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Shvegel

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To cover or not?
« on: May 12, 2019, 00:28:47 »
So a while ago I bought this cover for my distributor.  I don’t remember where I saw it or got the part number from but I assume it was from Startec?

In any case can anyone confirm this is correct for a 1970-71 North American spec (electronic ignition)?
« Last Edit: May 12, 2019, 13:02:32 by Shvegel »

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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2019, 01:21:59 »
A 000 158 20 85  It is on the part list in the EPC for US/Canada 113044 cars. I do not see it deleted for various distributors options...
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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2019, 03:28:14 »
Thanks Pawel!  I also just found my copy of an old Gooding's auction catalog that has an 18,000 mile 1971 280SL that shows the cover in place.

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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2019, 14:17:06 »
My 1970/71 Euro 280SL has the same cover. They may have all been the same.
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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2019, 15:54:58 »
I took at the list of changes put together for Pagoda Notes. The list indicates the protective cap was first used, along with longer ignition cables for 280 SL VIN ending 2663 6 May 1968, then for all cars at VIN ending 3113 on 29 May 68

As an FYI - the protective cap for the coil did not makes its way onto the car until 22497 - 27 Nov 1970
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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2019, 18:45:06 »
Hello Jon,  you will notice that your 280SL (1968) has the original cover with steel snaps. The steel snaps were replaced by a cover with molded-in plastic snaps at some point (not sure when or if the plastic snaps were ever originally used on the W113 engine).  The original covers with steel straps are extremely rare and are correct.
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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2019, 18:49:02 »
Jonny, are you saying that for 113.044 this cap was used just for 23 days and for only 450 cars?
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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2019, 00:03:05 »
Thanks everyone for clearing that up.  I think I have the original steel snap cover as well.  I bought the plastic snap cover because the original was pretty scuffed up.
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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2019, 00:27:32 »
Jonny, are you saying that for 113.044 this cap was used just for 23 days and for only 450 cars?

Pawel, according to Pagoda Notes Vol 11, No. 1, the May 6 change was only for cars with Interference Suppression.  From May 29, this change was applied to all cars starting with VIN ending 3113.
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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2019, 01:50:57 »
I have never had much luck restoring polyethylene but I have some foam backed 4000 grit machine sandpaper on the boat I might try.  JonnyB, Thanks for the info on the coil cover.  I was hoping not to have to chase that down as well.  As these parts go NLA the prices are reaching "Ouch" territory.
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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2019, 06:10:05 »
Ralph, thank you, clear now.

Shvegel, there are special paints for plastic that may be helpful in refreshing this kind of parts. As for the coil cover - I bought one from Mercedes a couple of years ago for very reasonable money.
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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2019, 12:13:21 »
Pawell,  they are all gone now. $105 at Palm Beach Classics.

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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2019, 13:32:11 »
Here is one on German eBay.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F303147670240

Last year I paid $12 for one.  However, the lister would not ship to the USA. I had to have it shipped to my sister in law in Mallorca, Spain then to the USA.  Total shipping was $30 🤪

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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2019, 21:37:51 »
Pawell,  they are all gone now. $105 at Palm Beach Classics.

The distributor covers - yes, they are gone, I meant the coil cover.

Ignition coil cover A 000 158 11 85 I have 72 hours availability from Germany in the EPC, price is ca $40 +23% VAT.

The distributor cover I bought there a couple of years ago: https://www.niemoeller.de/en/w113/w113/B044/152/d15257
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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2019, 12:08:07 »
Ignition coil cover A 000 158 11 85 I have 72 hours availability from Germany in the EPC, price is ca $40 +23% VAT.

I checked on the EPG but could not find the $40 +23% VAT offer.
Is it possible to provide the link or other info to contact the supplier?

Thanks, Peter 

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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2019, 13:43:25 »
I suppose a link to EPC would not work... The supplier would be an MB dealer.

I double checked.

I made a mistake - missed the fact that USD is closer to EUR: it is more like $35 + VAT (exactly PLN139 net). Yellow dot means 72hrs availability. It can always happen that if you actually order it, it will turn out it is not there - but it has never happened to me.

This is for 113044, group 54, subgroup 001.
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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2019, 20:14:21 »
Thanks I get via the EPC a retailer in White Russia

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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2019, 20:31:14 »
I just call my local dealer with that part number.  They said that part number comes up as a "spacer for distributor" for $45 here in the USA.

If you google that PN you get both a "spacer for distributor"  and also "suppressor coil cover".

What is correct?
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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2019, 21:16:38 »
I checked the number in the ”original teilekatalog,  vdh-service”.

Part #570 is A000 158 2085 – suppressor housing.

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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2019, 21:28:38 »
Yes.  But what about the coil cover PN 000 158 11 85?  Local MB dealer says it's a spacer for distributor and not a coil cover.
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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2019, 21:47:46 »
The ”original teilekatalog,  vdh-service” indicates that part #306 is A000 158 1185 – protection cap.

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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2019, 01:00:21 »
I do not trust names i n those parts catalogues if they are other than German.

Sheibe can be translated into washer, window, glass pane or windshield.

PN is good, I bought this part a couple of years ago.

I do not speak German, so I do not know how Zundspule kappe (?) Has become spacer tube...

There is a Polish word "wihajster" - it is used to name something small, mechanical that we cannot find actual name for. German speaking Members would know why it may be kind of funny :).
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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #22 on: Today at 01:03:26 »
To confirm the "coil cover" is listed as

Genuine Mercedes-Benz Spacer Tube, Distributor 000-158-11-85

In the US MB dealer parts books.



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Re: To cover or not?
« Reply #23 on: Today at 02:13:47 »
There is a Polish word "wihajster" - it is used to name something small, mechanical that we cannot find actual name for. German speaking Members would know why it may be kind of funny :).

In English we have a several words that have the same function:  It could be a "thingamabob" or a "thingamajig" or even a "whatsit" (which, when spoken, may possibly sound remarkably like your Polish word "wihajster").

Now back to our regular programing, which was a discussion of the distributor cover that Mercedes developed for our engines to prevent the optimum distributor performance from being compromised by radiator fan driven moisture when operating in wet weather.
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The oportunities to learn on this forum are multidisciplinary and amazing! Thank you!
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