Author Topic: Bosch Logo Plate on Fuel Filter (Read 13838 times)

Pawel66 · « **on:** January 08, 2018, 15:51:06 »

I woudl like to enquire if anyone has knowledge about this. I saw just one not answered post on this topic in the forum.

When I take the part numbers from EPC for fuel filter (found, obviously, in air cleaner section), we have A0014771001, which is Knecht unit and does not produce a lot of search results anywhere and A0014773001, a Bosch one, which appears in a lot of places. Bosch number is 0450 108 003.

I found two types of the plate in terms of how they look, let's call them "nice one" and "less nice one" (below). I have the "less nice" type on my car.

Is it the same housing just with plate lost (although the part on the picture with "less nice" plate looks quite new)?

Or are these something like "early" and "late" type of plates on the filter housing? They both have the same Bosch number.

I searched for these plates being sold anywhere, but with no results. You find Bosch plates for horns, ignition distributors, but not this one. Is there a vendor who sells these plates?

wwheeler · « **Reply #1 on:** January 08, 2018, 16:27:52 »

There is a guy in Germany who sells these plates new. I'll see if I can find his contact info. I know he sold distributor, injection pump tags and I think CSV tags and not sure what else.

The original plates are over the top nice and must have been expensive to make. The new ones such as on a new CSV part are of a lesser quality. While I don't know for sure, my guess would be that the one with the stamped number is a newer replacement. Those tags are expensive to produce in small numbers and stamping is cheap. Just my guess.

Pawel66 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 08, 2018, 16:33:27 »

Wallace, thank you! it would be great to dig out that vendor.

That was also my thinking on replacing the nice with less nice because of the cost...

mdsalemi · « **Reply #3 on:** January 08, 2018, 18:53:48 »

Pawel66 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 08, 2018, 19:13:32 »

Thank you, Michael!

Kein Ersatz - not leaving much hope if replacement needed...

66andBlue · « **Reply #5 on:** January 08, 2018, 19:28:24 »

Contact this vendor:
http://stores.ebay.de/oldtimerteilehandelgoch/_i.html?LH_TitleDesc=1&rt=nc&_nkw=Bosch%20schild&_sid=1017172499&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1581&_pgn=3

Pawel66 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 08, 2018, 20:15:42 »

Thank you, will do!

I did. What a beautiful vendor!

wwheeler · « **Reply #7 on:** January 08, 2018, 21:14:21 »

Alfred is the man! Yes, that is the vendor and pretty sure I got his name from Alfred to begin with. He is easy to deal with.

Wallace

Pawel66 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 08, 2018, 23:03:43 »

He sure is!

Pawel66 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 21, 2018, 17:09:34 »

I am pushing on this a bit...

I contacted the vendor Alfred was so kind to give and asked if they had this Bosch plate. They do not have it, but they would make it for me (or for anyone here). They asked for dimensions: length, height and the distance between rivets.

I can give him these approximate measures when I get to the car on Saturday. Approximate because all I have is the base for the plate (a bit bigger than the plate itself) and some sad remains of the rivets.

If any of you have a filter with a plate on it, if it is not too much trouble, maybe you could measure these three dimensions and post it - I would than give the vendor more accurate information.

wwheeler · « **Reply #10 on:** January 21, 2018, 19:18:57 »

Pawel,

That is interesting that he might be able to make it. Maybe it could be a club project kind of like the firewall pads. That filter unit is very common but not sure if the number is the same for SL and SEs. I will look tonight because I am pretty sure my original tag is off the car for safe keeping. If so, I can provide a very detailed drawing for you. I will look.

And it may not hurt to see if he could make the correct CSV tag and injection pump tags. Those should be common between the SL and SEs. My question is if the new tag has the raised silver graphic or is the graphic totally flat. The original ones had the design and numbers raised about .010", while the black background was lower.

Wallace

Pawel66 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 21, 2018, 19:30:10 »

Wallace,

Sure, let's do it.
1. If the same plate was on the filter for SE? I will try to look in Bosch catalogue, but please look at it on your side as well. The number on the plate is, certainly, Bosch part number.
2. I also thought of the CSV (picture attached). Please take a look and verify if this is the correct plate and please give me dimensions. Will ask him.
3. I will ask about the raised letters, but I am afraid it is a flat black print on the plate. If this is the case - no interest? I will go for it anyway.

Pawel66 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 21, 2018, 20:13:51 »

Wallace,

On installation of this filter on SE series:

1. The Bosch number from the plate 0450108003 corresponds to Meredes number A0014773001. The vehicles list where this filter was fitted you have in the attachment.
2. I checked briefly Bosch records on one of the W111 cars - it is on the equipment list for a car (attached). But you may take a look at it to check on which SE you want to have it.

The Bosch link is here: http://www.bosch-classic.com/en/internet/bosch_classic/startseite/startpage.html

Pawel66 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 21, 2018, 20:28:01 »

On the raised letters, as I said, I will ask, but below are links to two listings of this vendor. Some look like having the raised letters, some not:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Typenschild-Schild-Bosch-Q-80-S-105-Oldtimer-/362056274045?hash=item544c3c507d

http://www.ebay.de/itm/schild-Bosch-Typenschild-FP-K-22-M13-/362056284310?hash=item544c3c7896

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Typenschild-Bosch-schild-id-plate-oldtimer-Hupe-Verteiler-Magentzundung-/362056026532?hash=item544c3889a4

http://www.ebay.de/itm/schild-Bosch-Typenschild-FP-K-22-M13-/362056284310?hash=item544c3c7896

wwheeler · « **Reply #14 on:** January 21, 2018, 21:24:09 »

Pawel,

I have bought from him before and same deal, some were raised some not. Of course I would prefer the raised letters, but beggars cannot be choosers. So yes, I would go with the flat graphic if the raised is not available.

The fuel filter number is 0 450 108 003 and so yes, the W111 and most likely the W108 cars will have the same unit as the W113. I will measure the size in a bit.

My CSV is the same and is EP/EV 2/4. I would assume the that the W111 and W108 are the same for the earlier larger unit. The later units were smaller and not the same. I have a spare body and so I can measure that one as well.

The injection pump may be doable but would have to provide as a blank. Then you could get it etched with the exact number. there are just too many versions of that to reasonably expect to get a pre-stamped tag.

I'll get back to you,

Wallace

Pawel66 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 21, 2018, 23:17:06 »

Wallace,

Thank you.

I would most likely need to receive a bit of a steer as for what number should be put on old (larger) and new (smaller) plate for CSD.

For fuel injection pump - I can look for a good picture and give dimensions of the one I have on car - a bit tricky, I guess, as it is "down there" with difficult access. I think if you had one on the bench, it would be helpful.

I can then dig for pictures of the FIP plates, but it looks like they were not the same across the years. I guess if you need a specific blank one, I would need to know which one too...

Look, this is what he has for FIP:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Typenschild-Bosch-Schild-data-plate-Einspritzpumpe-PES-4-/362056287340?hash=item544c3c846c

But the plate is different than the one we see in, e.g. Tech Manual. I found three types of FIP/governor plates just by Google search (one attached). So I gues we would have to be specific here...

wwheeler · « **Reply #16 on:** January 22, 2018, 00:06:46 »

Here are the dimensions for the tag. And yes, the fuel filter and CSV are the same size. Attached is a picture of the CSV tag. Both the CSV and fuel filter tag are raised, whereas the Injection pump tags are flat.

As far as the injection pump, here is what is on mine. I assume this is for English speaking countries and maybe the US specifically? I am pretty sure they are the same size as in the link you sent me. Does he publish the tag dimensions? Seems like there would be a big market for blank tags like this.

It would be great to get these items made!

Wallace

Pawel66 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 22, 2018, 08:15:19 »

Wallace,

Excellent, thank you!

I will wrap it up and post to the vendor later today. I will use the images from you.

No need for two sizes for CSD (early and late)?

Pawel66 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 22, 2018, 12:58:23 »

Enclosed is the brief for vendor. If any remarks, please let me know. I intend to send it tonight.

wwheeler · « **Reply #19 on:** January 22, 2018, 15:42:44 »

Pawel,

Nice work and I see you provided both in German and English. Very thoughtful of you. I am not sure what the tag is for the later and smaller CSV. It was used when Mercedes omitted the starting solenoid I believe. I am interested in the one shown which is for the early and larger size.

One thing I just noticed is that all the original tags say "Made in Germany". I wouldn't think they would say that world-wide? Lets see what he comes up with. Thanks for your work on this!

Wallace

Pawel66 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 22, 2018, 18:22:28 »

Wallace,

I am also not sure about smaler CSV version. It could as well have been omitted as in case of fuel filter.

I have reviewed lots of the pictures of these plates. I have not seen anything other than made in Germany. On the horns plates it is different - it in 90% of cases is imported from Germany in French. I have no idea why it is so.

Pawel

Pawel66 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 22, 2018, 19:12:58 »

Early one?

Pawel66 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 22, 2018, 22:25:22 »

Ok, the vendor responded they will have the plates ready by end of February.

We will see.

wwheeler · « **Reply #23 on:** January 23, 2018, 04:37:34 »

Clearly I am no expert on CSVs. See attached below. I have not heard of the 2/1 version.

https://www.authenticclassics.com/Bosch-Cold-Start-Valve-EP-EV-2-1-0-437-900-002-p/auth-008793.htm Says it is for 230SL and 220SE W111 cars.

https://www.authenticclassics.com/Bosch-Cold-Start-Valve-EP-EV-2-4-0-437-900-005-p/auth-008794.htm Says it is for Is for 250 and some earlier 280 models.

And the later small one http://www.authenticclassics.com/Bosch-Cold-Start-Valve-EP-EV-2-7-0-437-900-009-p/auth-008795.htm And you are correct, they did away with the name plate on the small 2/7 version

Interestingly the 2/1 has the nicer tag and the 2/4 has a cheapo tag. The tech manual only lists two CSVs and no mention of the 2/1. Maybe someone far more knowledgeable than me can confirm these CSV models. I am excited that the tags may be produced. Please let me know when you hear something. You might start a post to see if there is interest from other members.

Pawel66 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 23, 2018, 07:48:59 »

Wallace, thank you! More light on the mysteries of the components of our cars...

I checked the part number 0437900005 - it is the EP/EV 2/4. Apparently Bosch changed the plate some time from type communication to part number communication. And cheapened the plate...

I think what we asked the vendor for is quite common. This is the type I have on my car.

Well, let's not praise the day before the sunset.... Keeping my fingers crossed we will get those plates.

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Author Topic: Bosch Logo Plate on Fuel Filter (Read 13838 times)