Author Topic: Sorry I cannot find answer to different softtop materials  (Read 5141 times)

BaronYoungman

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I see 4 different types of soft top material
Canvas (cheapest)
Twillfast
Sonnendeck
and German cloth
some companies are using sonnenland canvas and german cloth interchangeable?
Help
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Re: Sorry I cannot find answer to different softtop materials
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2014, 17:01:57 »
Whatever a company calls it you need to get Sonnenland - Classic with beige (not black) backing.
See: http://www.haartz.com/exteriors/sonnenland
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Re: Sorry I cannot find answer to different softtop materials
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2014, 21:12:46 »
Contact KHM in Eslingen Germany, thay have it all.
I do not have there address right here. But they are listed in the suppliers part of out website.
Tell them Tom Mrowka said to call.
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Re: Sorry I cannot find answer to different softtop materials
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2014, 14:32:24 »
Bob,

If you call Haartz Customer Service at their HQ, they WILL call you back...

The Haartz Corporation Worldwide Headquarters
87 Hayward Road
Acton, MA 01720 USA
Tel: +1.978.264.2600 | info@haartz.com

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Re: Sorry I cannot find answer to different softtop materials
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2014, 05:34:50 »
Yesterday I happen to be in Burbank California for work and was close to "German Auto Tops" in North Hollywood so went over to their shop to look at interiors and tops.  Here's how John at German Auto Tops explained it.

Stayfast - least cost, basic top canvas product.  I saw the roll of material and it clearly looks different.  Both inside and out are slightly different then a Mercedes top.  It still looks good, but on close examination, one can see the difference, especially on the inside as the finish is plain.

Twillfast - also known as Sonnendeck.  John said they are the same material and both names are used.  This material is very similar to Sonnenland according to John.  The colors are slightly different.  Tan is not the same Tan as Sonnenland.  The texture and feel are almost identical.  The Twilfast/Sonnendeck felt a hair thinner in my opinion, but very marginally.  The inside is almost identical as it has the dobby weave lining (a sort of herringbone pattern), as the Sonnenland.

German Canvas - also known as Sonnenland.  John explained that this is the closest to original.  For me it was not easy to tell this one apart from Twilfast, but looking and feeling closely you can find the difference.  I have a swatch of each that he cut for me.

This is how German Auto Tops explained it ... I would not be surprised if other shops explain it differently. 

I can say one thing about German Auto Tops is that they are a VERY busy little shop and were in full production mode when I visited with probably 8 guys building tops or other interiors.  No affiliation as I was just trying to decide on materials and possible color change so stopped by.





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Re: Sorry I cannot find answer to different softtop materials
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2014, 20:48:29 »
Oz,

I actually received a call back from Haartz and their explanation was in line with John's.

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Re: Sorry I cannot find answer to different softtop materials
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2014, 23:32:15 »
OZ
Just visited Gernold in Maine today and you should contact him.
At least get a price from him.
I saw many tops there today waiting to be repaired.
You will we satisfied.
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