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Color Code 574 G
« on: May 30, 2009, 22:13:00 »
The plate on my 67 230SL (Euro) shows the orgiinal body color was 574 G.  I cannot find this code listed anywhere.  Does anyone know what color this code is for?
« Last Edit: May 31, 2009, 09:53:13 by 280SL71 »

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Re: Color Cod 574 G
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2009, 23:04:12 »
Most interesting. I checked through my color books, and I do have one for Glasurit (the G in the paint code) and found no listing for 574. Generally the 500 series colors are in the red. There was a listing for 573 which was a dark red, burgundy. I will be most curious to hear what others have to say on this.
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Re: Color Cod 574 G
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2009, 04:32:46 »
Color code #574 = spindelrot - kind of a glowing red, but I do not know how to translate this.
See these data bases: http://www.landiss.com/paintcodes.htm and
http://www.amcon-luxled.com/mbcar/paint1.html
I didn't know that it was already available for the W113 series.  Can you post a picture of your car, please?
« Last Edit: May 31, 2009, 16:12:00 by 66andBlue »
Alfred
1964 230SL manual 4-speed 568H signal red
1966 230SL automatic 334G light blue (sold)
1968 280SL automatic (now 904G midnight blue)

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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2009, 16:49:22 »
Spinellrot 574 was available 1996 to 1998.
Check your data card if it also lists 574.
574 may be a typo on the plate.

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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2009, 17:31:13 »
Klaus,
thanks for the translation!
Some data code lists [http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~mtor/mbcodedsc.html]
show 574-O (spinell red) available from 1978 and 574-U from 1995, and I believe that later R107 cars were available in this color - am I wrong?
In any case it would be interesting to see the plate in goosemon's car - perhaps the plate is from a different model - or worse, a fake - the data card should clear this up for sure.
« Last Edit: June 02, 2009, 17:38:54 by 66andBlue »
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1964 230SL manual 4-speed 568H signal red
1966 230SL automatic 334G light blue (sold)
1968 280SL automatic (now 904G midnight blue)

goosemon

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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2009, 14:53:47 »
The complete first line on the plate reads as follows

574 G 834 G 6

The 834 G is a moss green and I believe referrs to the hardtop color.   A green hardtop with a red body would be more than a little odd.

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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2009, 15:10:41 »
...unless the original owner was Welsh.

(Which, I am pleased to say, I am not).

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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2009, 17:01:19 »
Maybe Santa Claus was the original owner... ;D
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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2009, 23:04:36 »
Most unusual indeed. I just checked through my color books, a solid string since the early 60's to current. There is no mention of 574??? These are a blend of different paint manufacturers, with several of the original MB books (1990, 1991, mid 80's sprinkled in). None of them has a chip or a reference to 574??
Jonny B
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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2009, 14:58:55 »
Alfred,
the info that 574 G was available 1996 to 1998 comes from Glasurit, the paint manufacturer. Those were the R129 years, the successor to the R107.
Would be interesting to see a photo of goosemon's car.

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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2009, 23:49:52 »
When I purchased the car in Germany in 1984, the body was white and the hardtop and hubcaps were Moss Green (834G).  The car has been stripped to the metal.    When we stripped it, the only colors on the body were white and an orange primer.   So either 574 G was a code for white or it was stripped and repainted before I bought it.   I have ordered the DATA CARD for it to see if the info on it is consistant with the numbers on the plate under the hood.

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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2009, 20:06:59 »
I just got the Data Card for my sl.   The numbers on the plate are the same as those on the Data Card:  Body 574, Top/Hubcaps   834 (Moss Green)  upholstry Caviar and carpet Black.     It turns out that this car was one of the 185 1967 230SL's build.    I have talked with the people at MB Classic Center in CA and they are contacting MB in Germany to try to find out what color is code 574.
Thanks everyone for your help
Gus

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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2009, 20:51:54 »
Gus,
thanks for the update - the plot thickens!
I am curious what the Classic center will find out and
I guess one can never be totally sure what went into and on these cars.  :o
Alfred
1964 230SL manual 4-speed 568H signal red
1966 230SL automatic 334G light blue (sold)
1968 280SL automatic (now 904G midnight blue)

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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2009, 23:30:12 »
I am also very curious to hear about what you find out from the Classic Center. I can find no reference to the 574 code in that time frame.
Jonny B
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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2009, 16:17:28 »
Well, MB Germany just told me there was no color code 574 for 1966 or 67.  They cannot explain why the Data Card and the plate under the hood both say 574.   It would seem strange that both could be a typo.    Does anyone know of a list of color combinations from that time period which would have the hardtop and hubcaps code 834 Moss Green.   I am doing a full restoration and have no idea what color to paint the car.   Any suggestions?

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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2009, 16:32:53 »
There is a matrix for recommended color schemes in the wiki. It looks like the 834 hardtop would most likely be only on a 834 car. I have seen a Papyrusweiss (717) car with a green hardtop and wheels. Not sure if it was moss green. (Suzy?)
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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2009, 17:14:49 »
Gus,
Can we get a picture of the entire plate?
This is most interesting.
Thank you.
Mark
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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2009, 17:49:42 »
I don't have a photo of the plate.   I will have my restorer take a photo of it and email it to me.    But, I did copy down exactly what was on the plate.   There are 3 lines on it.  They are as follows

574 G 834 G 6
113042 10 2
6 00073 02657

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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2009, 18:29:28 »
..   I am doing a full restoration and have no idea what color to paint the car.   Any suggestions?
It would help if you could tell us what is listed in your data card under "10 Lackierung" and especially under "17 Ausstattung" (see: http://www.sl113.org/wiki/DataCard/DataCards).
Cars with caviar colored MBTex and black carpets frequently had Ausstattungs Code 116 - however those did not normally come with anything in 834G.  That color came with Ausstattungs code 119 or 120, that is, with a gray-white or cognac upholstery and creme or brown carpets.
What is the color of your soft top?
« Last Edit: June 09, 2009, 21:09:37 by vanesp »
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1964 230SL manual 4-speed 568H signal red
1966 230SL automatic 334G light blue (sold)
1968 280SL automatic (now 904G midnight blue)

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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2009, 19:38:06 »
section 10   
UT  574     OT 834

Section 17
116 1

The interior was Caviar MB-Tex

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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2009, 19:39:51 »
The soft top is  "721"  and is green.

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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2009, 20:29:33 »
You got a real puzzle on your hands for sure. Probably you looked already at these tables (http://www.sl113.org/wiki/DataCard/MBTex and http://www.pagode.info/32.htm ) and know what kind of color combinations were standard for a code 116, so you could go either with one of those, or just pick what you like.  Because there is always the slight chance that this car was a very special order for some kind of big wig who could order any combination he or she fancied.  Perhaps it was Tom Jones who ordered it in Welsh colors?  ;D
Where was it delivered?
Something else you might want to check.  Do the stamped numbers on the hood, hardtop, softtop and transmission support match the last number on your metal plate, that is, 2657?
I am also surprised that your metal plate shows only 3 lines and not four.  I thought that a late 230SL should have a plate more like the last one in this page: http://www.sl113.org/wiki/DataCard/BodyandPaintNumberPlate - ??
« Last Edit: June 09, 2009, 21:10:06 by vanesp »
Alfred
1964 230SL manual 4-speed 568H signal red
1966 230SL automatic 334G light blue (sold)
1968 280SL automatic (now 904G midnight blue)

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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2009, 22:27:37 »
Alfred,

My 250 SL was delivered in August of 1967 and only has 3 lines of info on the plate...

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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2009, 22:35:09 »
Andres,
thanks for pointing this out.  Perhaps you might want to add this on the relevant page in the technical manual.  The more info with pictures we have there the better for all of us.
Thanks!
Alfred
1964 230SL manual 4-speed 568H signal red
1966 230SL automatic 334G light blue (sold)
1968 280SL automatic (now 904G midnight blue)

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Re: Color Code 574 G
« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2009, 14:04:16 »
I will take  a picture of the plate on my 230 this weekend and post it.   Also spoke again to MB Classic car in Stuttgart and they have referred me to Daimler's archive department.   I am also checking on the stamped numbers on the hood etc.
gus