Original Kangol seatbelt mounting points?

[Pawel66]

For what it is worth: the cap you are talking about is PN A 000 868 00 30 and it was used in 108, 109, 111, 113, 114 and 115. So it is on the parts list for Pagoda.

It is on the parts list for 113044 only.

But then I see for example a seat belt A 110 860 20 85 with this cap shown as part of the kit, used in some of the 113043 cars as well (chassis 002982-003839 and 004647).
The same seat belt was for 113044 up to chassis 000655.
For the rest of 113044, the seat belt kit was A 114 860 16 85, where drawing suggests it also contained this cap.
For the cap itself, the note says: 113044 as of chassis 000656.
Both are for US, SA 55 686.

Wrapping up: this cap most likely (not 100% sure) was part of the above mentioned seat belts for 043 and 044, but it is specifically mentioned to be fitted in 044 as of chassis 656.

I would have thought - it was meant to be there, but... my wild guess would be: it came with the seat belts when seat belts were ordered. Installation was another story - the part may not be easy to install in a Pagoda, it does not fit there well and might not have been installed or might have been removed by owners.

The other two sets of 3 point seat belts from those days, both for outside of US and Canada, I think:

A 115 860 17 85 (SA 55 639) was not for w113 (bottom anchor clamps 90deg). It does not have a cap.
A 115 860 08 85 and A 115 860 09 85 (SA 55 639) there is no information as for the model of the car they went into. There is a cap on the drawing.

[neelyrc]

. . . Here is an example of what I’m talking about:

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mercedes-benz-280se-27/

I am a bit confused, Alan.  I don’t see what this jumble of hanging belts on a w108 has to do with Pagoda belts.

As for the plastic covers for the upper belt connection point on the W113, if you like the look use them.  IMHO the original chrome bracket and nut provide a much more simple and elegant look.

[neelyrc]

. . . Wrapping up: this cap most likely (not 100% sure) was part of the above mentioned seat belts for 043 and 044, but it is specifically mentioned to be fitted in 044 as of chassis 656.. . .

Thanks for the part number detail Pawel. As we have found a few times before, there are anomalies in the actual part details installed at the factory.  My car, 007749, did not get the plastic caps.

[Pawel66]

I fully agree there were anomalies in installation of some of these parts. It has not always been by the book.

[Alan Smithee]

I am a bit confused, Alan.  I don’t see what this jumble of hanging belts on a w108 has to do with Pagoda belts.

The photos are an example of the plastic covers being discussed used as designed to hang the belts when not in use, in a car that definitely had them from the factory.

[49er]

Hello Ralph, In looking at your photo, I see a sliding clip on the top end of you belt? I do have a sliding clip on the lower section of my belt to take up slack which is black in color but no clip at the top. Perhaps changes were made when the head restraints mandated?

John

[neelyrc]

John, I am far from my car for a few months yet so I can’t clarify for you with a combination of pictures and words.  Let’s see if words only work.

In the picture you are referring to, this passenger side shoulder belt is rotated into position to go over the passenger’s shoulder.  I am pretty sure that this clip is fixed and does not slide. For stowage when not in use, the belt is rotated 180 degrees and hangs straight down.

In the stowage position you see the other side of the belt and clip. Looking at the clip in this stowage position you see three parallel horizontal bars, if you will, across the belt.  The space between the middle bar and the lower bar is larger than the space between the middle and upper bar.  You can see this spacing difference in my picture even when viewing the other side.   The hooked end of the side belt latch can be inserted into this wider space so that the belts hang down for stowage in a fairly orderly position.  The short belts on the tunnel side unfortunately have no neat and convenient stowage option.  I hope this explanation is understandable.  If not, I can provide pictures later this year.

[Pawel66]

I think this clip was to be a hanger for the belt in stowage position, as you describe, in absence of the plastic cap.

Neelyrc, when you see your car, I wonder if the bottom anchor clamps in your belt are at 90deg or they are straight?

[neelyrc]

Pawel/John,  I searched around and found a picture of the belt hanging in the stowage position as i tried to describe just above.

John, as you surmised I think there may have been some changes over time in exactly what was furnished.

Pawel, I’ll try to remember to look at the bottom anchor clamps and answer your question.  This will be a test for my well worn memory!

[Pawel66]

I am just curious/speculating - there was a belt set without the cap and with 90deg anchor clamps. Since you are saying you have the factory solution, I wonder if this is the belt they fitted.

I have the same hanger as you do. The plastic cap did not fit well and it was not coneient.

[49er]

Ralph, your last picture solved the puzzle for me. Wish I had that nifty little clip for my belts to keep them up and out of the way..

John

[rwmastel]

That's a cool feature.  Maybe I've seen it, but didn't understand the purpose.  Very nice.

[BobH]

You can still buy spares for these belts if you look around

https://vintageeuroparts.com/?s=seat+belt&post_type=product&dgwt_wcas=1

[lreppond]

Here’s what the plastic seatbelt cap looks like on a -044 model.  My car was equipped with these when new (1971).  I believe earlier models equipped with static 3 point belts had an metal adjustable (sliding) bracket on which the seatbelt was hung as pictured in Ralph’s (neelyrc) post.