Author Topic: The Stirling Moss Pagoda (Read 16854 times)

robbo65 · « **on:** January 24, 2019, 16:15:49 »

Hey All,

Was hoping someone might help me identify my chassis/engine number configuration - which is proving beyond my basic grasp of the published information!

The chassis number begins with W113.042 and ends in 016431 - I can't find this in the Data Card list?

Any guidance would be much appreciated!

Thank you,
robbo65

WRe · « **Reply #1 on:** January 24, 2019, 17:41:06 »

Hi,
did you read this: https://www.sl113.org/wiki/DataCard/DataCards ?
...WRe

robbo65 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 24, 2019, 18:10:32 »

Thank you WRe...

Still finding my way around!
Will attempt to decipher.
My initial search had led me to this page, which did not seem to list the number I have?
https://www.sl113.org/wiki/DataCard/USModelYear

WRe · « **Reply #3 on:** January 24, 2019, 18:28:40 »

Hi,
your chassis code 113.042 leads to a 230SL build from 06/1963 to 01/1967, see https://www.sl113.org/wiki/Main/W113ModelData.
Your serial number 016431 leads to a production period between April and May 1966.
...WRe

robbo65 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 24, 2019, 18:34:08 »

Thanks again WRe - I just found that.
The other confusing part is that W113.042 should be a 230 - which is what is stamped on the chassis plate, however the engine is a 250 stamped TYP M129.I and 129.980???

zoegrlh · « **Reply #5 on:** January 24, 2019, 19:06:51 »

Replacement engine from 250SL
Bob

mbzse · « **Reply #6 on:** January 24, 2019, 21:26:33 »

Quote from: zoegrlh

Replacement engine from 250SL

Actually, not a Pagoda engine; it is from a 250SE (W108). (Minor differences).
Be sure to check that the engine support arms are of the Pagoda variety, if not the engine is in too high a position
See for instance https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=11554.0

robbo65 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 24, 2019, 21:45:09 »

Thank you for the information - I will check these points out and keep digging!
Apparently the car was on display at the 1966 Earls Court Motor Show and was originally owned by Stirling Moss...

MikeSimon · « **Reply #8 on:** January 24, 2019, 22:11:19 »

I thought Stirling Moss had a special custom built 230SL with a hopped up motor by the factory. Could it be that the motor is NOT a replacement but the original?

robbo65 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 24, 2019, 22:19:20 »

Was hoping someone might say that Mike!
The car does also have a modified pagoda hardtop with a full width vent, that again was supposedly made at Stirling’s request.
My Wife inherited the car from her father, when he sadly passed away in 2012.
The sentimental connection with it having been her father’s car, has meant that she’s kept her distance from it to some extent.
However we are keen to learn as much as we can.
Really need to get a hold of the original Data Card to verify how it left the factory - that is now top of the list!
Will keep you posted...

Pawel66 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 25, 2019, 09:51:12 »

If this is THIS kind of car - perhaps Daimler would be happy to assist you!

Pictures please, if you were so kind!

robbo65 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 25, 2019, 10:23:52 »

Thus far, Daimler have not been very helpful at all and have advised that they cannot provide any information on previous owners!
They have also stated that we can apply for a copy of the original Data Card - although I note from another thread on this forum, that they are now charging $150 for that privilege...

robbo65 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 25, 2019, 10:35:52 »

The Registration document confirms that the car was originally registered as M7
Bizarrely, after I'd been on the Forum last night, I did find this advertisement online for J Wax from 1966!

ejboyd5 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 25, 2019, 12:53:57 »

If your's is indeed that car, $150.00 is a quite reasonable price to pay to solidify its provenance and a penalty on you for not having acted sooner when the information was free.

smackYYZ · « **Reply #14 on:** January 25, 2019, 13:38:26 »

You can buy a hard original of this ad on eBay,
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-MERCEDES-BENZ-230SL-STIRLING-MOSS-CLASSIC-ORIGINAL-J-WAX-AD/392203878180 plus 2 others for $10 each

Also found this image of Moss in his M7 230sl on getty , but they want $500 for it.
https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/stirling-moss-and-rob-walker-230sl-at-silverstone-news-photo/647289666

Pawel66 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 25, 2019, 14:08:29 »

Quote from: ejboyd5 on January 25, 2019, 12:53:57

If your's is indeed that car, $150.00 is a quite reasonable price to pay to solidify its provenance and a penalty on you for not having acted sooner when the information was free.

Indeed, if this is the car, I would not worry too much about $150 for a datacard....

robbo65 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 25, 2019, 14:39:30 »

We will indeed obtain the Data Card - my Wife’s Father had the original somewhere but we can’t find it!
I did also purchase the copy of the advertisement...
Thanks again to everyone for taking the time to comment, it is very much appreciated!

robbo65 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 25, 2019, 14:44:13 »

And thank you smackYYZ for the Getty image!

mbzse · « **Reply #18 on:** January 25, 2019, 17:40:29 »

Quote from: robbo65

.../...Apparently the car was on display at the 1966 Earls Court Motor Show and was originally owned by Stirling Moss...

That is extremely interesting!
A special story behind the car, because Stirling Moss wanted the M129 (250SE) engine in his 230SL, when he ordered it (spring of 1966). This version was not offered by Daimler-Benz at that time.
Sterling insisted and went to great length to have the larger displacement sedan (W108) engine fitted into his 230 SL Pagoda, as a "special order". The result would then be the very car that you own (registration "M7")!
Mercedes of course had the M129 engine version of the Pagoda (i.e. 250SL) in the pipeline, but could not acknowledge this fact. The 250 SL was introduced on the market early 1967.

robbo65 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 25, 2019, 17:58:24 »

Appreciate your input mbzse!
We'd heard snippets of the story over the years from my Wife's Father but hadn't paid too much attention at the time!
As I mentioned previously, my father-in-law sadly passed away in 2012 and only recently has my Wife felt up to looking into the car's legacy.
It's great to have those in the know like yourself, flesh out the story to what does seem to be a rather special car...
I have some images which I will dig out and upload later.
Thanks again!

Iconic · « **Reply #20 on:** January 25, 2019, 18:09:59 »

I'll bet others on the site who have not seen this would be very interested. They might not look at this string thinking ... "someone else can help this guy with his Data Card".
But, if you start a new string titled something like "Stirling Moss' 230 SL" many others will look and possibly give you more information.
Very interesting car. Thank you for sharing.
"Enjoy the ride",
Mark

114015 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 25, 2019, 18:17:10 »

Highly interesting story, Rob,
about a car being most interesing too.

Go get this data card ... it will contain invaluable info...,
e.g. perhaps already the 129.980 engine number or another code number (like 998) on it indicating some "special order" details.

Enclosed another picture of Stirling Moss ...
picking up "his" 230 SL" together with his then wife Elaine in Stuttgart about 1966 or so.
Alfred Neubauer, aged 75 on that pic, was his former race director at Mercedes and he flagged them away.

This is what the text says:
"Former racing driver Stirling Moss, 36, being "flagged away" by his old chief, Alfred Neubauer, 75, when he visited Stuttgart, Germany, to pick up his new Mercedes-Benz 230 SL sports car. In the passenger seat is Stirling Moss's wife Elaine"

What you can see is that Stirling's car is a RHD without outer rearview mirror and with black steering wheel...
... basically the same setup as on the colo(u)red Getty picture with Rob Walker mentioned above and also with the M7 registration plate.

In contrast the "M7"-registered car on your Johnson Wax add is a LHD with ivory-colored steering wheel, US-sealed beam headlights and _with_ mirror.
So, clearly a different car.
I would guess only one of both is the "real M7" ..., the RHD,
and that is supposingly/hopefully yours (or your wife's).

Please, can you confirm this?

We need pictures of your car and the engine number and more details and the data card and more details.
Try to find the original documentation of your father-in-law...

What a great story ....!

Congratulations on your great find !

Best,

Achim

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robbo65 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 25, 2019, 18:36:39 »

Wow!
Great addition to the tale 114015...
I guess it would be too much to ask whether all these bits of information are collected in any one place???
And yes, I had noticed that the J Wax image had a few anomalies - I wondered if it was perhaps 1966 cut and paste "photoshopping", to satisfy a US market!
RHD, country code 22 for UK and 992 for "For other non-coded options see production order" on the Option Code Plate is what we have.
Again, many, many thanks!

robbo65 · « **Reply #23 on:** January 25, 2019, 19:22:58 »

The last time the car left the house was in 2002, when the R230 was launched.
The local dealership displayed all 5 models to that date.
I apologise for the quality of these images as they are quick phone images of the original SLR photographs, also at the time I was having a black and white film period, which does not do the car as much justice as colour film would for the purposes of this post!
I would add that the car is currently and unfortunately, a non-standard paint colour.
Originally it was 172G Anthracite Grey.
In 1970 it was resprayed "Jag Pearl Grey" according to an invoice, though it appears more of a pale sky blue...

114015 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 25, 2019, 19:26:21 »

Well, Rob,

(is this your real name...?)

Basically there is no one single place "with all the knowledge you can imagine" other than our Wiki...
... and there's still a lot we have to add in there.

The picture I added lately (the Stirling-Elaine-Moss-Alfred Neubauer pic) is a well-known factory pic being published in several of the common SL books. That's where I knew it from. I also remembered Hans's story about the engine swap (from the 'Engelen' ...?) and so on.

Sadly, only all the owners and forum users here together present in their entiretythe comprehensive knowledge we have ... and which we share here.

Best,

Achim

robbo65 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 25, 2019, 19:26:51 »

The car is currently at the back of an overfilled garage and is harder to photograph...
The second image is of the vent to the hardtop, which we are led to believe was also at the behest of Stirling Moss.
(Sorry - not sure why the first image rotated on upload)

robbo65 · « **Reply #26 on:** January 25, 2019, 19:30:13 »

Thanks again Achim.
My first name is Ian - "robbo" is a nickname!
Your insight is incredibly helpful and I hope that by adding what little we have, goes someway to filling in some of those blanks...

mbzse · « **Reply #27 on:** January 25, 2019, 19:34:55 »

Quote from: robbo65

.../...The second image is of the vent to the hardtop, which we are led to believe was also at the behest of Stirling Moss

Ian, that is amazing

Wow
That vent flap makes this truly to be a "one-in-the-world" Pagoda HardTop! And with such provinence. I am in awe...

114015 · « **Reply #28 on:** January 25, 2019, 19:38:30 »

Great work, Ian,
Great pictures....!

Thanks a lot for sharing this info with us!

As you have already experienced, we are eager on such kind of info
with such a hugely interesting car!

This hardtop vent flap is incredible...! We need to place this into serial production!!

I am awaiting more news on this.

Best,

Achim

robbo65 · « **Reply #29 on:** January 25, 2019, 19:45:21 »

Again, thank you both for your incredibly positive feedback!
I dare say, having lived with the car at the back of a dusty garage all these years, we have just taken it's presence for granted!!!
We are a little bit overwhelmed with all that we have learned in just 24 hours or so...
We will make obtaining a copy of the Data Card a priority.
I'm not sure there is anything else I can add for now I'm sad to say - but please do continue to ask questions and I will answer any that I can.

robbo65 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 25, 2019, 20:16:47 »

I will leave you tonight with 2 more images...
One of the interior and one of Stirling Moss autographing the Log Book with my father-in-law in 1981, when he was visiting Belfast...

Pawel66 · « **Reply #31 on:** January 25, 2019, 21:15:05 »

I am very happy we came across this story!

I think the picture of your father in law and Sir Stirling Moss together adds a lot of flavour to the whole tale. Fantastic!

I think this car is a treassure.

By the way - the outside rear view mirror seems to be installed by Sir Stirling Moss or your father in law at some later stage.

I would, actually, be quite surprised if the car on the add was the actual M7 car of the famous owner. Market demands and logistics of the photo session would prevail, I am sure, over realism, which would not add a lot of value to the add.

Absolutely fantastic discovery!

This may be a topic for MB Classic magasine, actually.

robbo65 · « **Reply #32 on:** January 25, 2019, 21:37:58 »

Many thanks for you kind words Pawell66.
I started with the car and the serial numbers.
Today I have searched through old files and with the aid of you fine individuals, have perhaps indeed unearthed a treasure.
My father-in-law clearly appreciated what he had - the rest of us in the family, a little less so!
I will continue to endeavour to find the missing pieces of the jigsaw - the Data Card seems to be the main one.
As anything else comes to light I will of course share any findings.
Thank you all again!

49er · « **Reply #33 on:** January 25, 2019, 22:30:27 »

What a great story this is. The photo of your father in law and Stirling Moss is the icing on the cake. I along with all the members of this board will be anxious to hear what your data card's information provides. Regardless, your Pagoda is a treasure no matter who owned it.

John

robbo65 · « **Reply #34 on:** January 26, 2019, 00:00:11 »

For sure John...

Mike Hughes · « **Reply #35 on:** January 26, 2019, 02:02:55 »

Quote from: robbo65 on January 25, 2019, 20:16:47

I will leave you tonight with 2 more images...
One of the interior and one of Stirling Moss autographing the Log Book with my father-in-law in 1981, when he was visiting Belfast...

Comparing the interior shot and the Getty image it would appear that the gray paint color on the dash may likely be the original color. We all look forward to seeing what else you discover about your family's Pagoda.

Garry · « **Reply #36 on:** January 26, 2019, 02:15:23 »

Ian,

This is indeed a great story that obviously has some way to go yet. Great that you have found the Pagoda Group and some time in the future as all is revealed, this will make an excellent article for Pagoda World of an owners story.

No double Jon B our Pagoda World and Pagoda Notes Editor and fellow Board Member, is watching this story unfold with interest.

Garry

Jonny B · « **Reply #37 on:** January 26, 2019, 16:12:57 »

That is indeed a big "YES"

robbo65 · « **Reply #38 on:** January 26, 2019, 17:32:02 »

My Wife plans to contact our dealership next week to get the Data Card sorted out, will keep you all posted!

Shvegel · « **Reply #39 on:** February 06, 2019, 08:57:03 »

In contrast to the John Lennon 230SL if M7 was indeed owned by Sir Sterling Moss who was not only a famous racing driver but one who drove for Mercedes would make for a huge increase in value. Keep digging and keep us updated.

robbo65 · « **Reply #40 on:** September 02, 2019, 10:02:33 »

Apologies all for the delay in adding further to this thread but life and all it throws at us, had centre stage these past months!
Finally, I can share the Data Card which confirms the Stirling Moss connection.
It also confirms the Chassis Number.
There is a discrepancy with the final digits of the Engine Number - other than it possibly not being the same engine, perhaps someone on here who can decipher the content better than I can, could shed some light on what, if anything this means in the grand scheme of things.
As with previously, Sarah and I would welcome any comments you may have to add to this story!

Best Regards,
Ian Robertson

robbo65 · « **Reply #41 on:** September 02, 2019, 10:19:16 »

Here is an image of the actual Engine Number...

450sl · « **Reply #42 on:** September 02, 2019, 12:03:10 »

Robbo,

At the bottom of the orderform it says;

code 992 ; Engine must be specially selected on the Dynotech for best maximum performance .

robbo65 · « **Reply #43 on:** September 02, 2019, 13:00:54 »

I appreciate the translation.
My O Level German is extremely rusty - was going to have a go at it later!

Pawel66 · « **Reply #44 on:** September 02, 2019, 15:51:12 »

Wow! Code 992 - what a code to have!

neelyrc · « **Reply #45 on:** September 02, 2019, 19:33:51 »

Fantastic Ian, thanks for reactivating this thread. We look forward to hearing more about this very special car. At this point do you have a plan for revival? Will it be or has it been removed from storage. Please keep us posted.

Jonny B · « **Reply #46 on:** September 03, 2019, 10:44:35 »

As was stated earlier, would make a great story for Pagoda World....!

Shvegel · « **Reply #47 on:** September 03, 2019, 18:39:07 »

What a great find. Not only a car that was custom ordered (special wishes in Porsche speak) of which there are very few that I am aware of but one that was custom ordered by a successful Mercedes racing driver. I dare say that might be the most valuable pagoda of them all. For not only your own enjoyment but for any future value I would suggest trying to get in contact with Sir Sterling Moss and asking about the modifications. He may be able to shed some light on them and any correspondence from him would only add to the value of the car.

robbo65 · « **Reply #48 on:** September 03, 2019, 19:23:51 »

Cheers all for the positive vibes!
Will of course keep you posted once we catch our breath...

Pawel66 · « **Reply #49 on:** September 03, 2019, 20:12:49 »

I think Shvegel's idea is definitely worth pursuing!

Mike Hughes · « **Reply #50 on:** September 03, 2019, 22:20:30 »

Quote from: Shvegel on September 03, 2019, 18:39:07

...I would suggest trying to get in contact with Sir Sterling Moss and asking about the modifications...

.. and I would second that, sooner than later! Given your family's past history with him I should think that he would be a more than willing fountain of information about your Pagoda's modifications and special features.

As far as getting in contact, perhaps the editors of one of the British car magazines, such as Classic & Sports Car or Mercedes Enthusiast might be in a position to reach out to arrange an intro.

Shvegel · « **Reply #51 on:** September 04, 2019, 10:09:55 »

I bet Mercedes wold be willing to get involved. "Long lost Pagoda built for racing legend Stirling Moss found!" It would make a great article for the Mercedes club magazines around the world.

I also noticed on the data card the engine number listed began with 127 which is a 230 engine. since your's begins with 129 which is a 250 engine it may have been slated to receive the 230 engine but was then changed after the data card was printed or even more likely it was fitted by special workers and the original 230 engine removed. I doubt Mercedes would want to stop the production line to sort out any minor differences in fitment of the 250 engine so it would most likely have been built with the 230 engine then changed later. The plot thickens.

MikeSimon · « **Reply #52 on:** September 04, 2019, 17:13:58 »

If I would have known earlier, I could have asked him a few questions last time we met him...

robbo65 · « **Reply #53 on:** September 05, 2019, 07:29:53 »

Firstly, I'd like to say how infinitely reassuring it is to (literally) have you all on the same page!

Interestingly, Stirling Moss or his PA at least, was my first port of call in 2012 when Sarah first inherited the car.
Maybe we just caught him on a bad day but at the the time he seemed only vaguely familiar with the car.
In fairness at that time, we had dug out little in the way of supporting documentation, erroneously assuming he was bound to remember the car!
It was probably his vague reply at that time, that led us to assume that perhaps we had the story wrong.
I have written to him again, enclosing some of the period photographs kindly shared here, so hopefully this time his memory will be sufficiently jogged.

I have also been in touch with Stuttgart in the hope that they will show some interest.

As ever, will keep you posted...

stickandrudderman · « **Reply #54 on:** September 05, 2019, 15:13:41 »

Quote from: Iconic on January 25, 2019, 18:09:59

I'll bet others on the site who have not seen this would be very interested. They might not look at this string thinking ... "someone else can help this guy with his Data Card".
But, if you start a new string titled something like "Stirling Moss' 230 SL" many others will look and possibly give you more information.
Very interesting car. Thank you for sharing.
"Enjoy the ride",
Mark

You said it!

What a fascinating car!

Mike Hughes · « **Reply #55 on:** September 05, 2019, 16:41:45 »

It is known that Sir Stirling took delivery of a 250 SL and then promptly dropped a 280 sedan engine in it just months prior to Mercedes bringing the 280SL to market. Perhaps, in an earlier quest for more performance, the 250 sedan engine in your 230SL is evidence he tried a similar upgrade before?

Iconic · « **Reply #56 on:** September 05, 2019, 17:38:13 »

Thanks Stick !!

Shvegel · « **Reply #57 on:** September 06, 2019, 07:10:54 »

found this quote about the Pagoda: "In all the years I have been driving, I cannot remember ever driving a car that I would have liked to own more (except for racing cars!)". (Sir Stirling Moss in a letter to the racing director Alfred Neubauer.)

robbo65 · « **Reply #58 on:** September 06, 2019, 12:48:14 »

Saw that quote too Schvegel - the letter must’ve landed on the right desk!

robbo65 · « **Reply #59 on:** September 07, 2019, 11:42:52 »

Question for a Page Admin if I may...

A couple of people have suggested a new thread, specific to the fact the car has been identified as the "Stirling Moss Car" - is it possible to link via this thread? It seems a shame to lose all the comments made on this thread!
Whichever way you think is best to migrate all the current information is fine with me.

Thanks again,
Ian

Mike Hughes · « **Reply #60 on:** September 10, 2019, 23:33:17 »

Following up on Ian's inquiry, is it possible for Admin to edit the topic header to read "Stirling Moss Car" instead of "Can't find Chassis Number in the Data Card Section???"

It looks like I can change the subject line in this reply I'm about to post, but I doubt this will change the whole thread.

Garry · « **Reply #61 on:** September 11, 2019, 01:47:53 »

Have re titled the post for you so it all remains.

Garry
car and self currently in Maine heading to Pagodafest.
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=28366.0

robbo65 · « **Reply #62 on:** September 11, 2019, 16:51:39 »

Excellent!
Thank you for re-titling the thread...

Peter van Es · « **Reply #63 on:** September 12, 2019, 10:29:39 »

Quote from: Garry on September 11, 2019, 01:47:53

Have re titled the post for you so it all remains.

And I did it again, now applying to all posts for the search engine...

Mike Hughes · « **Reply #64 on:** September 12, 2019, 19:53:02 »

Thanks guys! This is a truly International group: A post about a RHD Pagoda originally delivered to a British race car driver, which Pagoda's current owner resides in Ireland, is modified by an Admin from Australia touring in his RHD Pagoda through Maine and then tweaked by another Admin in The Netherlands! ;^)

Peter van Es · « **Reply #65 on:** September 13, 2019, 09:32:08 »

...it's how we roll...

robbo65 · « **Reply #66 on:** September 19, 2019, 18:01:19 »

So...
Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to what this automobile might be worth?

We are in the process of moving house/country and the car will have to go into storage.
The car is in good original condition. It hasn’t left the garage since 2003 and the engine was last turned over in 2012 - it started almost immediately!
As far as we can tell, the only thing that isn’t original, is the respray carried out in 1970.
Even for insurance purposes, how do we go about appraising the history aspect, over and above the metal - both obviously being an integral part of the story.
As ever, any guidance would be hugely appreciated.

Cheers,
Ian

MikeSimon · « **Reply #67 on:** September 19, 2019, 19:08:01 »

Quote from: robbo65 on September 19, 2019, 18:01:19

So...
Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to what this automobile might be worth?

Cheers,
Ian

As another post said : "This is a really international group." My personal experience is that prices for classic cars vary significantly depending on where you are in the world.
We have sold cars to Europe for twice the price that we would get in the U.S. and have brought cars from Europe to the U.S. and sold them here for twice what they would have costed over there.
Very difficult to "hazard a guess". In addition, there is that big factor of running into that one guy that is looking for exactly the car you have for sale.

Garry · « **Reply #68 on:** September 19, 2019, 19:17:09 »

Then add in the Right Hand Drive factor and the whole mix is not something that can be calculated.

If you are happy to pay extra for insurance, then maybe take the highest price of a RHD Pagoda that has sold that you can find and insure it for that. Anything else would be a WAG.

What’s it actually worth, we’ll that is up to the market on the day to decide.

Jordan · « **Reply #69 on:** September 19, 2019, 21:36:55 »

I believe the "Stirling Moss" factor would add to the price. You could talk to some of the auction houses to see what they say. If this car went to auction I would expect a collector would snap it up. If it was mine I would determine what the car was worth if it wasn't associated with Stirling Moss and then double it. This would just be for insurance purposes. Insurance is relatively cheap for collector cars and I would want to make sure I was fully covered because you don't know what effect the celebrity status would have on the price if the car went up for sale.

BaxterBenz · « **Reply #70 on:** September 20, 2019, 01:43:05 »

Would Stirling Moss have actually bought a 230SL with an automatic trans? Seems shocking, unless it was to be driven primarily by his wife, and she couldn't operate a manual. Amazing story in any case.

robbo65 · « **Reply #71 on:** September 20, 2019, 08:01:40 »

Thanks again for the input.
We had arrived at a similar conclusion - estimate car value then double for the Stirling Moss connection.

robbo65 · « **Reply #72 on:** October 18, 2019, 14:07:40 »

Car is now safely tucked away in storage, whilst we continue life’s great adventure, back here in Western Australia.
Thank you all for your invaluable input in this Pagoda journey thus far - if you still want to write about the story, it would be an honour to share the tale as wide and as far as this group seemingly ranges, over land, sea and air...

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