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2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« on: May 02, 2015, 17:01:29 »
Please look here for Technical Session information for 2015 PUB, information coming soon.
« Last Edit: May 02, 2015, 17:02:55 by mmizesko »
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2015, 05:00:25 »
Anyone  have a " request" for a presentation topic?  Also feel free to volunteer to present a subject.
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2015, 22:28:36 »
Hey Joe,

Over the years I have learnt a lot of hands on techniques from you and the forum.
To further my education I would like to learn how to do a valve/rocker arm/camshaft adjustment on my early 250SL.
Also I have never DONE a brake bleed by myself or with anyone else so I would like that to be part of a discussion/demonstration.

thanks
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2015, 07:19:50 »
Hi Bob,

We will make sure you get a good demonstration on those topics!

Joe Alexander
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2015, 13:46:52 »
Hi Joe,

This is my first time attending PUB.  I'm guessing that many of the workshop subjects will be motor-centric, which will be great.  But I'd also like learn something about suspension and steering restoration.  I've got a lot of play in my steering these days. 

Thanks tons,

Steve
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2015, 14:05:18 »
Good suggestion Steve,

We have not covered this subject yet and it would be a good addition to the program.

Thanks!
Joe Alexander
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2015, 16:32:35 »
I like to suggest a short discussion on fuses for the 230, 250 and 280 sl

A) what to check and how should you check should your car stall or will not re-start during a trip.

B) what spare fuses one should carry

C) what tool one should carry to remove them for change out (if one has big fingers it makes it difficult to handle the little buggers) :)

D) any tips or tricks on this subject.

I mention this since not being up to date on this subject has cost me near to $1K Canadian last fall on a Sunday outing all due to a little fuel pump fuse (tow truck, evaluation of the problem at a Benz dealership and a radiator repair damaged due to unloading from the flatbread truck).

If we spend a few minutes on this subject it may save a member the inconvenience and a fist full of dollars. Just thinking out loud.

PS. Since I had my issue last fall I've learned from knowlageble members here that sometimes it is difficult to tell if a fuse is faulty also if one turns the key to number 1 position one can hear the primary fuel pump and if not it points to the fuse. If I had known all this at the time I would have been able to help myself.
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2015, 06:37:54 »
Good ideas Rolf, I am sure we can accommodate you!
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2015, 16:54:27 »
Joe, and others,

Are there a number of first time attendees for this PUB? Would it be worthwhile to have a table top explanation of the oil filter and all its seals, the fuel filter (s), greasing, normal kinds of maintenance? Or put that all together with the fuse discussion?
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2015, 07:13:58 »
Yes, some critical information in the oil filter discussion especially. Combining them with the fuse talk seems logical. This subject is fairly simple but critical and should not take much  time.

Thanks!
Joe Alexander
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2015, 14:20:19 »
Joe, and others,
Would it be worthwhile to have a table top explanation of the oil filter and all its seals

Yes, they day I buy a Vintage Benz with the top oil rubber spacer in place on the oil filter mount I will buy a winning lottery ticket.  Even contemporary Mercedes parts guys and mechanics do not know it should be there.  Trivially simple, and definitely worth going over!
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2015, 19:33:53 »
Joe, I concur with Bob in that I would be very interested in learning how to do a valve adjustment.  While having never done one I understand they should be done fairly routinely (every couple of years?) and I know my rocker arms need replacement.  Very much looking forward to my second PUB and seeing faces I haven't seen since 2011.
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2015, 12:01:02 »
Sounds good Jordan,

We can even get your hands on the process so you can see and feel it!
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2015, 05:24:02 »
Joe,

Hi.  Let me know if I can be of any assistance with demonstrations/sessions.  Also, I plan to take a little vacation around PUB time to help you set up and/or tear down.
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2015, 12:47:18 »
Thanks Rodd,
All the W113 activity should get you inspired to start on your W113 project at last!
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2015, 22:06:40 »
I second the motion to go over the valve adjustment process! I had to redo mine several times as it was for hard for me to determine the right feel of the adjustment.

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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2015, 22:10:52 »
Rod:
Glad you are coming.
Mark always asks about you.
Both of us will be glad to see you.
Been a long time.
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2015, 22:53:00 »
Joe:
I will be coming out on Wednesday, so I will help with whatever you need help with.
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2015, 02:41:25 »
Thanks Tom!
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2015, 20:10:27 »
I was at PUB 2013 and had a blast.  I would like to come this year, but am a little wary because my clutch is slipping.  It happens under hard acceleration in 5th (and probably 4th) gears when I am at higher RPM's (passing).  It will probably last for a while in this condition, but a 1500 mile round trip is a little off-putting.  I just do not have the facilities in my garage to tackle it, especially before PUB.  Would a clutch job be a good demonstration for PUB, or is that kind of thing just too much?  Just thinking out loud here, and definitely not trying to get free mechanic work, but I could bring all needed parts, special tools, and help set up, do any grunt work, and we could share the experience.  I would be more than willing to make a nice donation to the community pot for food and beverages or whatever.  Mine is the Red 1969 280 with the ZF 5-speed.  I totally understand if something like this is way beyond PUB.  Just a thought.
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2015, 00:09:07 »
I guess many participants may be interested in seeing a rare ZF 5 speed trans from all angles.

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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2015, 04:36:44 »
I guess many participants may be interested in seeing a rare ZF 5 speed trans from all angles.


You could look under my car for that. :)


I think that most people would benifit from basic maintance instructions. Since many owners only do some stuff at home, knowing what to look for so they can judge the condition of their cars is probably going to be more usefull than something that's complex and only a few would be doing on their own.
 Setting valves, checking front end play, doing a compression test, changing an oil filter, greasing your chassis, checking your rear axle, setting up throttle linkage, doing a light test, checking all of your fluids and any other regular maintanence that helps to keep your car running well, and above all, safe for the road.
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2015, 04:58:10 »
Dan, all these are quite basic things I guess most owners are already conversant with. The ZF trans is something special, like the 3.27 rear axle was something special in a previous PUB. However, I understand replacing a clutch may be a bit too involved for a week end gathering. Unless a group of enthusiasts dedicate to it while others do other things. I would be quite happy to be part of such group, but I'm not sure yet my scedule will allow me to attend.

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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2015, 14:53:09 »
Good suggestions.  As usual we will have some basics and some more advanced subjects to cover. Since I will have engine and transmissions out on display, a clutch replacement can be demonstrated easily and quickly.
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2015, 13:48:57 »
How about a session on the Frigiking A/C? I need to replace a clutch and some of the vent louvers are broken and I'll need to get at them and find a way to replace them too.

Also, is there a schedule for the PUB? I am trying to figure out when I should plan to arrive/depart. Should I get there Thursday evening and depart Monday morning? Are there sessions on Friday and all day Sunday? Or, should I arrive Friday evening and depart Monday AM?

Best,
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2015, 14:53:05 »
How about some help on approaches to restoring the engine bay to "like new"? That's a project that I would like to take on over time on a piece by piece basis.

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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #26 on: August 11, 2015, 03:29:28 »
Yes, engine compartment restoration would be a good subject to cover.  I will look into adding it to the schedule!

Thanks!
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2015, 04:00:33 »
I'd love to see a session on getting the fuel mixture set up correctly on our cars.  Despite a rebuilt FIP, mine is out of whack and I have been slowly getting it straitened out, but it's not there yet.  There have been a couple of good articles and threads on the subject, but a session might be of interest to others.  I can provide the mixture-challenged car and AF ratio meter.....


Another topic I'd be interested in would be to have 3 or 4 samples cars of different vintages side by side, and have someone walk through the differences in the cars that have evolved over the years.  The 4 types of cars that come to mind are:

1) Early 230 (I can provide this one)

2) Late 230

3) 250

4) 280
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2015, 04:35:57 »
If there is an "entertainment" section in the agenda, I'd be happy to do a little talk about my 4-pagodas-and-a-few-rooms-full-of-parts adventure, including where they are today.
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2015, 11:32:30 »
If there is an "entertainment" section in the agenda, I'd be happy to do a little talk about my 4-pagodas-and-a-few-rooms-full-of-parts adventure, including where they are today.

Peter, why not write an article on that subject and let us have it to include in one of our PW issues. Your story along with photograps would make interesting reading. We do need more material to issue two (2) PW magazines per year.

Anyone else out there reading my scribble here ... What's your story? I'm sure you have one or two to share ... Write it down send it in to the Editior, no worries we have volongtiers to edit the write up.
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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2015, 19:47:46 »
Do we have an idea of what presentations there will be and when?

Thanks,

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« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2015, 20:38:37 »
I am also having a "Rough Engine" issue. It is rough on start up and stumbles and quits without adding fuel and then it will run rough at certain speeds. It also backfires when downshifting. It feels like it is too rich, but I am not sure if that is the only issue.

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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2015, 12:15:36 »
Hello Wallace

Saturday morning will include introductions and three presentations. A two hour lunch, will include the parts swap meet, the car judging and food.  Saturday afternoon will consist of two tech sessions and a Q and A Session with the experts. Saturday evening is the photo shoot, the dinner and awards from the car show. Sunday morning will include another tech session, another Q and A session and individual help with pagodas. This schedule is meant to be flexible.

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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2015, 02:03:41 »
Will anyone still be out at midnight and if not what time do we begin in the morning?

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Re: 2015 PUB Technical Session Information
« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2015, 03:34:05 »
9am intros and 10am start tech sessions

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