Author Topic: Tool kit question (Read 32961 times)

66andBlue · « **Reply #25 on:** October 05, 2014, 01:52:11 »

Mike
the data card for my 1966 230SL shows code 727 = softtop color 132 light grey.
Unfortunately when I bought it from the first owner's family it that soft top had been changed to a blue and I tried for a long time to find the original canvas (http://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=2515.0).

Fortunately the original bag (with a few missing tools) was there and appeared to be the correct 132 color and that helped me finding a very close replacement Sonnenland canvas (http://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=15171.0).
Here are a few photos of this tool bag, unfortunately they were taken under different light conditions at different times so the colors look a bit different between them.

49er · « **Reply #26 on:** October 05, 2014, 02:43:14 »

Quote from: 69280sl on October 04, 2014, 23:41:27

Maybe 49er or someone else with an absolutely provenance d original car can help.

Is the bag the same as the softtop material?

Mine is MBTex cognac in color same as the car's interior.

John

kampala · « **Reply #27 on:** October 05, 2014, 09:19:06 »

I bought my car from the original owner. The data card showed a Black soft top. The tool bag that came with the car is black canvas, just like the soft top material. The soft top on the car when I purchased it, was changed to blue. I don't have photos of my tool bag as I am away from the car.

Jonny B · « **Reply #28 on:** October 05, 2014, 15:57:07 »

For my 280 SL, the top is 744, dark blue, the interior is red leather, and the tool kit bag is MB Tex parchment, and I believe the original one for the car.

mmizesko · « **Reply #29 on:** October 05, 2014, 16:11:43 »

I am learning more every day.

So now we know that they made these kit bags out of canvas from the tops, left over MBtex, and thin red cloth, but no leather. Perhaps old Pfeffernusse wrappers? (ok, i don't know how to find an umlaut character on my keyboard).

I'm enjoying this thread. Perhaps we can do a survey to get a larger sample?

Mike

Iconic · « **Reply #30 on:** October 05, 2014, 16:59:52 »

Quote from: mmizesko on October 05, 2014, 16:11:43

So now we know that they made these kit bags out of canvas from the tops, left over MBtex, and thin red cloth, but no leather.

Mike,
I'm pretty sure the "thin red cloth" was never original on the W113 cars.

Also, up until Jonny B, we had a pretty good sample going there with 66andBlue, 49er, and kampala, we had all original tool pouches made from the interior TEX or softop canvas from that specific car, or at least the same material and color.
So, maybe it did happen with some frequency.
Mark

66andBlue · « **Reply #31 on:** October 05, 2014, 17:27:49 »

Mark,
I believe what Jonny B had in mind was that you cannot have a bag made from canvas of a softtop on that same car only from the leftover material from any softtop made from the same cloth.

Mike,
now I am wondering about the bag that is in the red 1964 230SL that we looked at - which is filled with the correct old wooden screwdriver, long "300" slip joint pliers and correct combination pliers and fuse box. It is made from red MB-tex to match the red chassis but not the black interior. Another monkey wrench

Iconic · « **Reply #32 on:** October 05, 2014, 18:33:06 »

Alfred,
Yes, I agree with Jonny B's reply #22.
So, maybe the guy putting the tools in the trunk was instructed to match something when possible given we have 3 examples believed to be original (Yes, John, I know you know yours is original.

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Jonny B · « **Reply #33 on:** October 06, 2014, 12:29:39 »

Yes, Alfred's comment about my meaning is correct, top material, but not from the same top as on the car.

mmizesko · « **Reply #34 on:** November 13, 2014, 17:28:02 »

Correction. I found a tool bag made of black canvas with snaps. Still haven't found one of Ostrich leather though.

Mike

UJJ · « **Reply #35 on:** November 13, 2014, 17:57:30 »

Quote from: mmizesko on October 05, 2014, 16:11:43

I am learning more every day.

So now we know that they made these kit bags out of canvas from the tops, left over MBtex, and thin red cloth, but no leather. Perhaps old Pfeffernusse wrappers? (ok, i don't know how to find an umlaut character on my keyboard).

I'm enjoying this thread. Perhaps we can do a survey to get a larger sample?

Mike

Mike
if you do not have a German keyboard you can type the Umlaut pushing the "Alt" key and enter a number:

Ä = Alt + 0196
Ö = Alt + 0214
Ü = Alt + 0220
ä = Alt + 0228
ö = Alt + 0246
ü = Alt + 0252

a little cumbersome, however, good for short writings.
I have a German keyboard which I connect to my PC when I type longer messages in German.

Viel Glück, Urban

Rolf-Dieter ✝︎ · « **Reply #36 on:** November 13, 2014, 23:41:42 »

Mike,

on my Apple Keyboard I simply use the following ...

Holding down the "Option" key and pressing u results in ü, or ä or ö or even ß keep it in mind should you ever switch to a Mac

Viel Glück

mmizesko · « **Reply #37 on:** November 14, 2014, 01:15:09 »

I recently acquired 5 original tool bags with snaps. One Black canvas, One red vinyl, one parchment vinyl, one tobacco mbtex, and one dark gray mbtex. Only the parchment one has the tristar stamping on the green inside fabric (on the right). I will attempt to update the technical manual with pictures of the various kinds of bags this winter. I'll also spend that time finding the appropriate tools to fill them. If I put them away like a 1982 Paulliac, in about 10 years, they may be worth the $9500 someone is trying to get for a 300SL tool kit on ebay currently. First, I'll replace my cognac repro bag....

Mike Mizesko
Columbus, OH

RCS Coupe · « **Reply #38 on:** November 16, 2014, 15:08:25 »

I am the outlier: my 250 "California Coupe" of course came without a soft top. The tool bag, which I am near certain is original to the car, is of black canvas with olive drab liner & pockets and snaps and no tri-star logo to be found.

rc

rutger kohler · « **Reply #39 on:** November 17, 2014, 06:33:21 »

Hi, I have some MBtex left over from re-covering the dash, I thought I would ask my wife to make me a repro tool kit after seeing some of the photos some have posted here. The one I bought with the car is an old brown canvas (not soft top material)

My wife says her sewing machine will handle thye MBtex. What sort of fabric or material is the green inner made from plse and what shade of green would you say it was?

andyburns · « **Reply #40 on:** November 17, 2014, 07:08:47 »

I think I have an original Mercedes roll. Would be interested to know if its correct for the early 230? Am picking I also have a few bits missing. Rodger, if its correct your always welcome to borrow it to get a good copy.

Garry · « **Reply #41 on:** November 17, 2014, 07:28:58 »

You need to have a read of the Tech Manual where an explaination on when they changed from the early snap closed tool kits to the tied roll kits in later vehicles.

http://www.sl113.org/wiki/Accessories/Toolkit

andyburns · « **Reply #42 on:** November 17, 2014, 07:36:44 »

Cheers Gary, had a good read of that. Looks as if mine didn't originate from a 113 at all then. The tools all look correct and have mercedes all over them but the roll is incorrect.

Garry · « **Reply #43 on:** November 17, 2014, 07:43:41 »

Andy,

I think the tied roll started with the W107 although there appeared to be lots of different materials used for the W113 from soft top type material through MBTex and from what I have read on the Forum they do not appear to be any particular type at any particulat time but maybe some others can clarify it a bit more and potentially correct up the Tech Manual if wrong.

Garry

rutger kohler · « **Reply #44 on:** November 17, 2014, 10:07:40 »

Ok so got bthe bit about the rolled kits being later sedans but wot about the inner material on the w113 kits?

mmizesko · « **Reply #45 on:** November 17, 2014, 15:48:27 »

Andy,

I don't have it totally figured out yet, but looks like your Felo Screwdriver is late (pre-65 or so was wood in 230SL). Your sparkplug removal tool is late as well, either 70-71 or out of a 107, because it has the spring. The roll doesn't look like it came from a 113 at all, as the early 230's were soft-top canvas, and the later ones were mbtex vinyl, all with snaps. It could be out of a 190SL, as it looks old, or a sedan of the same era. Only the 300SL had vinyl and snaps in the late 50's early 60's. Not 100% on this, but a decent hypothesis.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-OEM-Mercedes-300SL-Gullwing-tool-kit-COMPLETE-UNRESTORED-W198-/221600724672?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item33986eb6c0&vxp=mtr

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-300SL-Gullwing-300SL-Roadster-Fluglelturer-Original-amp-Complete-Tool-Kit-/271654651824?nma=true&si=U0GE0gqnvuzHRvf%252BYIBXKh8EHYY%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-230-250-280sl-SL-Pagoda-CORRECT-ORIGINAL-COMPLETE-NEARMINT-TOOL-KIT/221607512774?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D26942%26meid%3D47796785932b47e3b0d79d2a26a09a60%26pid%3D100011%26prg%3D11184%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D10%26sd%3D271654651824

The last pagoda kit is a mish mash as well. Wheel starter is the long narrow one from a 107. Has the correct fuses though.

Rutger, The green light canvas inside with pockets would be correct. I don't know the specifications.

Mike Mizesko
Columbus, OH

Jonny B · « **Reply #46 on:** November 17, 2014, 23:51:35 »

Perhaps I am missing something. The last tool kit (in Mike's post) , the one that claims to be 230, 250 280 SL, appears to be pretty close. The tool alignment tool is the correct one for the Pagoda, not a tapered one?? The fuses should all be white. I won't venture too far on the 300 SL kit, but it does look reasonable. That question would best be posed to the Gullwing group.

Andy, I would concur with Mike that the tool rool you show is from a 190 SL, I acquired one of those a couple of years back, in my ongoing tool search, and it matches what you show pretty well. I am traveling and not able to post a photo. I think wood was correct for the 230 SL, the 250 SL and for early 280 SL (but not sure on the 280 SL, my kit, VIN 12730 has the plastic handle).

If you are really interested to see the differences, go to the 190 SL forum (forums.190SLGroup.com), and use "tool kit" with the quotes, the 12th post from that search is about tool kit roll pictures.

KevinC · « **Reply #47 on:** November 18, 2014, 01:58:47 »

This looks like a good one...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/201219573895?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Jonny B · « **Reply #48 on:** November 18, 2014, 05:14:22 »

As well it should be for the price being asked. Pretty easy to change/source the proper white fuses!

mmizesko · « **Reply #49 on:** November 18, 2014, 10:58:27 »

Kevin, yes, I think this is a proper 280SL kit. No spring on the spark plug removal tool. I know the red and blue fuses were for the 107. You can buy the plastic fuse box with the "patriotic" fuse collection from the MB dealer for $7 each. Same slide top and MB logo. Not sure if every 280SL kit had the black fuse pullers or not. I found a Hazet 2760 oil drain plug wrench that I keep in my kit. I know it only came in the rare lubrication kit.

Jonny, I've had a problem finding the white fuses with the aluminum , I can only find the brass colored metal. And I need a supply of the half size fuses. What do they go to anyway?

Mike Mizesko
Columbus, OH

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