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Yea for PUB@2011
« on: July 31, 2011, 20:48:54 »
This PUB was the best ever. Bigger and better. Thanks and gratitude are due Joe and Mary, Alfred Esser, all the presenters and the many volunteers that helped in so many ways. The only way it could have been better for me would have been to have my Pagoda there.

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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2011, 12:16:22 »
I second that! I learned a lot. It was great meeting the people behind the avatars.
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2011, 15:07:12 »
I agree !!
Meeting all of you, checking out the plethora of Pagodas, an 800 mile round trip in mine, all of the conversations on the details of it all, was an unbelievably good time. Frankly, I'm not sure how I can wait two years.  :'(
Thank you to all for making it a great event.
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2011, 16:33:01 »
It was terrific to see old friends again, and meet new ones.

It was great to see the cars starting to run better as more and more people were helping each other on areas of expertise!
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2011, 17:34:51 »
I realy enjoyed meeting up with all you guys at Blacklick. Even if it's on a trailer, I promice to have a Pagoda at the next PUB.
Waquas was putting the pressure on me to put something in writing for Pagoda World. I so I will be starting on that too.
It was great fun thanks to Joe and Mary, great hosts for a great event.

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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2011, 18:03:43 »
This was my first PUB and I have to say I was blown away.  It was absolutely fantastic, not only the opportunity to meet new people and put some faces to the names, but the opportunity to peruse other Pagodas.  I know I am not the only one to find out my dash drain holes are plugged.  ;D A special thanks to Joe and Mary for hosting and putting on such a great event, as well as the presenters, volunteers and those that helped out in the tent bays yesterday sorting out our various problems.  Here is a taste of the event.  I think Richard is trying to organize to have someone look at his car. ;D ;)  Hope you all had a safe trip home.
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2011, 02:18:20 »
I second that thanks to Joe and Mary, and to all that helped. Great Job!
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2011, 10:15:30 »
Pub 2011 was a smashing event (as attendee Naj would say.)  "Smashing" meaning great. There was no smashing of cars at this "Worship the Pagoda" gathering.

I thought I had a near perfect running car when I drove to PUB from New York...boy was I wrong: running very rich, no vacuum to the distributor, worn bushing on the accelerator shaft, spark wire number 4 not working, and more.

Here's a public thank you to some of those who worked on Ole Beige. After their assistance, the ride back to New York was much better:

Joe Alexander for having just about every tool ever invented and for being so generous in letting a complete amateur use some of them; for taking the time and applying superb skills in tweeking my engine to make it smooth running allowing it to idle at a decent speed; and for re-tightening the head bolts.

Al Leifring for poking and pushing to help lean out my rich condition.

Brad of Buds Benz for a lot of help on the engine including clearing up the blocked vacuum hole.

Michael Salemi for his enthusiasm and encouragement and for having a complete set of spark plugs available when I needed them.

Jessie Meneses for finding and fixing the dead plug wire

Chuck Taylor for bringing and sharing his CO2 Sniffer.

Alfred Esser for his good humor, his work in helping organize the PUB event, and for having a much needed bushing, linkage rod, and #4 plug wire; and for allowing me to break up his wire set to allow #4 to grace my car.

Tom Colitt for his infectious enthusiasm about even the smallest detail of these cars and for adjusting my hood strap to finally allow my hood to open to the correct angle.

And to all the attendees for the many stories and anecdotes about the cars and about themselves.

Thanks again Joe and Mary for making PUB possible.

Richard M, NYC



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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2011, 19:34:43 »
Ditto of all of the above........

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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2011, 20:37:51 »
I  cannot  begin  to  express  my  gratitude  to  all  of  you,  especially Joe  and  Mary  Alexander  for hosting this  event.  This  weekend  will  always  be  remembered , not  just  for the  learning experience  and  willingness  of  everyone  to  help  each  other,  but  for the  longest  drive  I  have ever taken  in My  Scarlett (red 230 Sl).  I  especially  like  to  thank  Chuck  for his  assistance  in  adjusting  my  car's  fuel  flow,  which  gave  me  a  surprising 17.3 mpg  on the return  trip.  I am  looking  forward  to  seeing  everyone  again  in the  near  future.

Thanks Again
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2011, 21:06:21 »
I had a great time also.  Hope to see everyone again.

For any that had some rain water in their car see the posting I just started.  I took the air intake appart and found it full of mouse stuff and fluff...
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2011, 00:59:04 »
Badali---------was it the first time you looked in the air cleaner compartment since you have had the vehicle?-how did the belt change work out?
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2011, 01:21:02 »
That was the first time I took that area apart.  The belt change went OK thanks to Kieth's help and the tools.  I ordered extra belts also.
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2011, 01:23:51 »
I wanted to go but couldn't make it. :-\

 Five yeas ago we had an event at my place and we also celebrated my fathers 80th birthday that same weekend - some of you may remember this. ;D This past weekend we gathered for his 85th. There will be more PUBs but there may not be many more birthdays.......

 I was considering driving down on Sat morning but the birthday party was on Sat so that idea was out. It would of meant a lot of driving in one day in some pretty hot weather so it was best I stayed here.
Besides, with all the wrecks that showed up, maybe it really was a good thing I stayed home. ;)
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2011, 01:30:09 »
I hope the great Dr. Benz can attend the next one--------------I was asking around to see if you came
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2011, 02:57:43 »
My second PUB - it was great to see everyone.

Needless to say - a big thank you to Joe and Mary.

My car got "tuned" by the "Pagoda Whisperer".  What a treat!  I got 17mpg coming in and 22 mpg going home. The proof is in the MPG!

Oh, and Marcus, I did notice your car still in the lot when I left......
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2011, 11:10:49 »
Yes, my plan was to leave at 5 but I didn't head out until 6.  Made it home by 12:30pm with one stop for gas and something to eat.  Only 4 cars in front of me at the border.  ;D  Watching Joe and Al as they move around the engine is like watching a surgeon at the operating table.

Drove a total of 806 miles (taking into account my 3.5% error on the speedo), which was my longest trip ever, consumed 35.87 gallons of gas and zero oil.  The whole weekend was a real treat.
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2011, 12:31:52 »
I wanted to go but couldn't make it. :-\

 Five yeas ago we had an event at my place and we also celebrated my fathers 80th birthday that same weekend - some of you may remember this. ;D This past weekend we gathered for his 85th. There will be more PUBs but there may not be many more birthdays.......

 I was considering driving down on Sat morning but the birthday party was on Sat so that idea was out. It would of meant a lot of driving in one day in some pretty hot weather so it was best I stayed here.
Besides, with all the wrecks that showed up, maybe it really was a good thing I stayed home. ;)

Dan and Shelley really put on a great event at that "Meeting of the Clans".  Very diverse group and very cool cars.

Dan, there were only a few cars rough--most were pretty good.  Unlike previous PUBs of years ago where people were triaged to go home, most cars could come and go on their own and what was done to them was simply making them better.
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2011, 02:28:18 »
It was another great PUB.  Thanks, is to meager a word to express our debt to Joe.  It was great to see him, Naj, Al, and Tom gathered in the group.  The combined expertise there surely exceeded what Mercedes ever knew about the cars.

We left Joe's at 5:00 PM on Monday after Joe helped me put a couple of flange gasket shims in the rear springs to correct a camber problem.  We headed to Douglasville, Georgia to meet David Latham at Buds Benz, so we took to the Interstate.  Tuesday, averaging close to 80 mph through Kentucky and Tennessee in 95 degree heat with the A/C on we were quite comfortable and the car temperature held steady at a needle width above 180.  We averaged 23mpg.

When we arrived at Buds, a look under the hood revealed that the leak under valve ball stud adjuster above the #6 spark plug has gotten worse.  Brad voluntarily degreased the engine and washed the undercarriage.  We spent the evening with friends and had a great dinner at Gumbeaux's in Douglasville.  

Today started south on I-75 for a while again at speed.  South of Macon we left the Interstate and headed diagonally across Georgia.  The Waycross radio station reported 100 degrees as we held our own, averaging 70.  The stopping at traffic lights in small towns caused the water temperature to rise a bit, but once we regained our speed, it dropped right back.  When I turned the A/C off for a few minutes, the brutality of the heat off the asphalt was almost immediately apparent.  

2396 miles in all.  It was a great adventure.  Thanks to all the members of this club for enriching our lives.
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #19 on: August 04, 2011, 06:00:56 »
OK, getting really jealous now - if only over teh improved gas mileage!

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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #20 on: August 04, 2011, 12:42:01 »
I'm new here so must ask; What is a PUB?  ???

Clearly a gathering of owners and cars, but sounds like a wrenchfest too. 

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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #21 on: August 04, 2011, 12:43:42 »
I thought I had a near perfect running car when I drove to PUB from New York...boy was I wrong: running very rich, no vacuum to the distributor, worn bushing on the accelerator shaft, spark wire number 4 not working, and more.

Here's a public thank you to some of those who worked on Ole Beige. After their assistance, the ride back to New York was much better:

Joe Alexander for having just about every tool ever invented and for being so generous in letting a complete amateur use some of them; for taking the time and applying superb skills in tweeking my engine to make it smooth running allowing it to idle at a decent speed; and for re-tightening the head bolts.

Al Leifring for poking and pushing to help lean out my rich condition.

Brad of Buds Benz for a lot of help on the engine including clearing up the blocked vacuum hole.

Michael Salemi for his enthusiasm and encouragement and for having a complete set of spark plugs available when I needed them.

Jessie Meneses for finding and fixing the dead plug wire

Chuck Taylor for bringing and sharing his CO2 Sniffer.

Alfred Esser for his good humor, his work in helping organize the PUB event, and for having a much needed bushing, linkage rod, and #4 plug wire; and for allowing me to break up his wire set to allow #4 to grace my car.

Tom Colitt for his infectious enthusiasm about even the smallest detail of these cars and for adjusting my hood strap to finally allow my hood to open to the correct angle.

And to all the attendees for the many stories and anecdotes about the cars and about themselves.

Thanks again Joe and Mary for making PUB possible.

Richard M, NYC





Since you were running on less than 6 cylinders for a long period of time, did anyone suggest an oil change?  It's most likely got a lot of gas in it.
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2011, 12:49:57 »
Since you were running on less than 6 cylinders for a long period of time, did anyone suggest an oil change?  It's most likely got a lot of gas in it.

Well, sadly--he checked the oil in Washington PA a few hours away from Blacklick, and was down 3 quarts by the time he arrived.  So, the oil was "changed" by "exchange".  Couldn't figure out where it was going (no black smoke and no visible leaks) but I'm sure we'll find out!!
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2011, 12:51:18 »
PUB=Pagoda University Blacklick.  Yes an event social and wrenching.  Held every 2 years on odd years, last weekend of July, in Blacklick Ohio.  Keep up on the events forum...
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2011, 13:53:58 »
I'm new here so must ask; What is a PUB?  ???

Clearly a gathering of owners and cars, but sounds like a wrenchfest too. 

Pagoda University at Blacklick Oh.  This was my second one.  Joe Alexander has all of us to his home and technical presenters and show us how to maintain our Pagodas.  It has been every 2 years for a weekend in July.  Great fun and meeting allot of the people on the forum.
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« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2011, 21:42:06 »
Pagoda University at Blacklick Oh.  This was my second one.  Joe Alexander has all of us to his home and technical presenters and show us how to maintain our Pagodas.  It has been every 2 years for a weekend in July.  Great fun and meeting allot of the people on the forum.

Well that sounds great.  Too bad I missed this one, will have to learn all about the car in the next two years so I can get schooled!

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« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2011, 21:55:13 »
PPP  Plenteous Pagoda Praise...

Hooray, hooray
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2011, 00:34:27 »
Just did the arithmetic (had to convert from Kilometers to Miles, took me a while).

Here's proof of the value of attending PUB...in addition to the seminars,  part swap, demos, dinner, meeting other Pagoda people, and more, my car logged a bit over 16 miles per gallon going to PUB and, after the adjusting and more done by the PUB experts, the car did 20 mpg on the trip back...thank you PUB!

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« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2011, 05:29:26 »
Wow, that's impressive. Which screw do I need to turn and which way do I turn it? :P
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2011, 07:53:32 »
Tosh:

You know better than that...took half a dozen PUB experts and maybe 3 man-hours to get it right...hope it's right.

Here's a quick step by step:

The CO sniffer numbers were high...a few spark plugs showed unburned gas...the oil dip stick smelled of gas so we knew the engine was running rich. When we tried to get the idle speed below 1,000 rpm, the engine started to surge.

First step was the accelerator rod geometry...the rod going across the engine passes through a brass bushing in the bracket on right side of the engine...that worn bushing was replaced. This changed the position of the main rod slightly so it would no longer mate with the small rod on the left side...that rod was exchanged for a slightly shorter rod. Now the rods were properly fitted to each other.

The leaning of the mix was done by turning the small screw in the back of the fuel injector...about 6 clicks in the lean direction. CO was still a bit high. The barometer was removed from the injector and a shim was removed to lean the mix a bit more. The CO level was now acceptable.

The spark plugs were changed for 6 new non-resistor plugs. The air intake screw near the manifold was turned to slow the idle to about 800 rpm. On a test run, the engine stalled at stop lights so the idle was pushed back up to 900 rpm. (The tach, revolution counter, is not always accurate so 900 on the dial might actually be 800.)

Now we noticed the engine had a miss...maybe one of the plugs was not firing. After some testing, it was found that Plug Wire #4 was dead. Another plug wire was installed and the engine smoothed out.

The lean / rich adjustment was a continuous round of rod geometry, barometer shims, injector screw clicks, then back again. Another major adjustment point, changing the injector rack movement, was not needed this time. The CO sensor made it quite easy to measure changes in the mix.

Richard M, NYC
P.S. When I say "we" above like in "we noticed", don't include me. "We " means the people who knew what they were doing. I don't know lean from rich except in food I shouldn't eat.
 
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2011, 00:41:36 »
After all the planning it is sure nice to know that y'all had a good time at the PUB.
Here are some numbers:
54 members and 12 guests attended, plus 10 local friends of Joe.  Unfortunately 2 registered members did not make it in the end. All together 76 people - that is a new PUB record!
I have posted a summary of the financial details in the Full Member section in case you want to know what your money was used for.
Now get ready for the next one!  :)
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2011, 14:28:07 »
Alfred,
How many Pagodas ?
Was there an official count of 230, 250, and 280 SLs?
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2011, 14:54:57 »
I counted 22 Pagodas on Saturday.  We had 20 for the group photo shoot on Sunday.  I didn't count by version.  There was also Waqas' 250 SE, a 190SL, a 300SL, a '67 BMW 2000 CS, a vintage Mercedes wrecker visited for a little while and there were a couple of Finbacks.  Plus there was Joe's W107 race car.  I probably missed something but it was indeed a viisit to Valhalla for wrench heads.
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2011, 04:23:27 »
Hello Ray,

I figure we had near 26 pagodas in all.  20 at the photo shoot, one red pagoda stayed at the shop and did not make it to the photo shoot, George Allen did not bring his blue  pagoda  back for the photo shoot, Michael S. left Sat with his pagoda, Greg Mavian had both his pagodas here on separate days but did not attend the photo shoot with either, and one local metallic blue pagoda one (Bill ?) was only here on Sat. I figure at least one or two more slipped by the count.
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #34 on: August 09, 2011, 18:16:13 »
I was sitting in one of the technical sessions at PUB 2011. Joe's shop is an amazing place and my eyes were wondering the entire time...no offense to the presenters! I looked to my left during one of the sessions and noticed Joe's library of technical manuals. I had to snap a picture with my iPhone. Apologies for the quality of the photo. Aren't the hand drawn Mercedes star on the spine of each manual fantastic! BTW, the Pagoda manual is on the middle shelf, far right.
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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2011, 13:44:05 »
This was my 1st time at PUB, and all I can say is what a great event, and a great group of people attending.   I was extremely impressed by all the open knowledge sharing and willingness of everyone to help each other out.   Thank you again, Joe Alexander for allowing us all to use your yard to enjoy the weekend learning more about our pagodas, and for sharing all your expertise.   I look forward to seeing you all again at the next event.

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Re: Yea for PUB@2011
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2011, 23:55:47 »
Hi All

I'm very sorry for the late post. After Garry and my 2400mls road trip back to LA in the Jaguar E-type (which many may have read about in the "Other Cars" section, I hadn't made it back onto the site to read this great thread and only yesterday did I post my congratulations and thanks to Joe (and of course Mary too) to another thread that I found somewhere else :-) I guess, I might as well re-post it here, but I also want to add that this thread right here shows once again how everybody is participating in any way they can to the success of not only this event, but also the whole Pagoda SL Group. Whether it be the relative newcomers or the seasoned (or unseasoned :-) experts. I'm proud to have been a member from day one and look forward to the good work that will continue to come out of this team spirit.

And one more thing. Richard! What was your oil consumption on your return trip? Don't leave us hanging like that :-).....

(Now my post yesterday: I hope better late than never, but I just now found some time to check out the site for an after PUB thread and I was thinking it would be a long one. Maybe I found the wrong thread or maybe everyone just needed a little break, even from one of our favorite subjects, the Pagoda.
Joe. It was so nice to finally meet you. By my excitement you could probably tell I was like a kid in a candy store at your place. When I first arrived I had a big smile at all your hidden treasures spread around your property. I also noticed the rally 107 immediately when I came in and I thought again, I was in the right place. You have helped me and everyone else, since the days of the Yahoo group and even on this trip I learned more new things and made a few new good friends. Thanks for eveything. I will try to participate more, but I also know that there are many people out there who are knowledgeable and can help each other, so I'll leave all but the "nuttiest" topics to them :-)
Last night, I woke up at 4am and started to write an article on one such nutty subject, that occupied me, Naj, Iconic and a few others on this trip. The constant speed solenoid (and it's non-existent factory wiring) on 1970 and 71 model years. For now, I'm on to putting together my first Corvette Stingray for a customer, as well as Garry Marks 1970 Jaguar E-Type which already is largely apart under the hood.

Thanks to Alfred too for the good discussions we had and your effort on this event and again Joe and everyone, thanks for a great time at PUB 2011.

Regards, Tom Colitt