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Re: Driving an XK E Type from PUB 2011 to Australia
« Reply #50 on: August 12, 2011, 00:21:38 »
To add a couple of photos of the trip across the USA and a final one at the beach to prove that it really made it to California

The car is now in pieces in Toms Workshop. The brake pedals are in another workshop in Australia being corrected to the RHD pattern and additional parts are being collected for Tom to do the conversion.

More to follow as it progresses.

Now off to have a drive in the Pagoda who has been neglected for such a long time.

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Re: Driving an XK E Type from PUB 2011 to Australia
« Reply #51 on: August 12, 2011, 06:42:35 »
Garry. Welcome home. Not just the Pagoda has been neglected, also Mrs. Garry :-)
Although you were pretty thoughtful along the way, I think...

I'll post pictures of the now "slightly more moving space" NHD (neither right or left) Jag. soon

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« Reply #52 on: September 05, 2011, 03:03:13 »
Ok. My head has been been stuck under the driver's side of the dash for the past few weeks. I'm sorry, I meant the passenger side. I have... or is it the driver's side? It used...It must be the driver's side? I just spent 2400 miles on and off, driving on that side!? But, there is no more steering wheel and there is still a gas pedal sticking out of the floor on the near side (which is only "near" to me, when I'm on the other side of the car from where the new wiring harness for the speedometer and tachometer illumination is. Otherwise, those folks down under and up yonder call it the far side). Let's just call it the left side for now. I think we can all agree on that!? (except those people that argue: "It depends on which way you're looking at the car". For those people, I only have to say, I suppose you have two left arms too? (depending on which way you look at yourself? ;-)

To be clearer, the small moving space has all of a sudden become a lot bigger!....and a lot messier. I'd say, it looks like a bomb went off in there (don't worry Garry. It's normal....:-)

Things are starting to move over the the right hand side while other things are slowly moving to the left hand side. I keep moving back and forth, sometimes I even get under the car, to remove the LHD rack and pinion steering and to route the main engine harness all through the dash, then through a hole in the most distant corner of the left hand side foot well, then to the engine bay and to various parts in the front that would like to get some power and others that want to send some information back through the hole to the driver. ...Whether he (or she) might be sitting on the left or right hand side of the car.

The reason that this is happening carefully, one step at a time, is that there is no information out there on how the new harnesses should be oriented and routed and it took me a little while to figure out that the center instruments (and all 10 switches- I hope!) all need to swap positions so that the driver in the new off-side (Yes!- right side:-) will be able to get the best view of the most important instruments and switches right away. In hind sight that all makes sense, but when you have an endless Misch-Masch (German technical term) of wires and connector ends all heaped in front of you and running through the dash and between your legs, you don't want to take any chances and disconnect anything until you're sure it is correct. There are still a few loose wire ends that don't readily match up, which is a concern, but I'm sure it will all work out. Recommendations to use the wiring diagram for help were received with a "Thank you very much for that gold nugget ;-), but the wiring diagram for the right hand drive and the left hand drive version is the same one, so.... Studying the old and new wiring harnesses for each wire's color coding and connector and their respective locations in the now slightly larger moving space, was the best way to solve the puzzle. Enjoy the view with these pictures, taken with my trusty LG cell phone/ bore scope :-)....

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Re: Driving an XK E Type from PUB 2011 to Australia
« Reply #53 on: September 05, 2011, 04:06:26 »
Tom, Tom,

Now, I know there is, or was very little room in the small moving space for a person so accustomed to the luxury of the Pagoda and its excessive spaces, but now knowing that the small space is spread all over a workshop in Los Angeles in small pieces makes me reach for a stiff drink, maybe a highball ;)

Should I be arranging for the shipping of a car to Australia in a Roll On/Roll Off ship or as a container load of spares ;D

For the rest of the Forum, I have the cast brake and clutch pedals here in Australia getting them bent to the 'right' way for a 'right' hand car so I know that the small moving space is not going far at this point.  They are to be returned for fitting next week.

Now as for driving on the 'right' side of the road, or the 'right' side of the car.  depends if you are looking from the left side or right side. As Tom said it is going to be an funny experience knowing that you have driven the car from both sides at some point.

Meanwhile I am about to take the Pagoda for a run of about 300 miles over the next few days to a wine growing area with a group of other car nut friends. Now what spares should i take.  Maybe I will just use my USA AAA card and hope for the best ;D :D ;D :D

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Re: Driving an XK E Type from PUB 2011 to Australia
« Reply #54 on: September 05, 2011, 06:01:30 »
Take one of Tom's recent pics of the small moving space and show it to a mechanic. He's bound to feel so sorry for you - and lucky for himself -  that any Pagoda issues would be dealt with instantly
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« Reply #55 on: September 05, 2011, 11:46:42 »
Talk about a misch-masch, look at that picture of your shop.
You've got a BMW, a Jaguar, a 113 hood.
You can't leave those brands together alone.  Bad things will happen late in the night.....while you're asleep...
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« Reply #56 on: September 05, 2011, 16:32:24 »
Noo .. nothing bad will happen with THAT cat watching over jewels.
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« Reply #57 on: September 07, 2011, 14:48:34 »

Talk about a misch-masch, look at that picture of your shop.
You've got a BMW, a Jaguar, a 113 hood.
You can't leave those brands together alone.  Bad things will happen late in the night.....while you're asleep...

That's not counting the 300SL hard top sitting behind the Jag., a Gullwing belly pan sitting behind the Pagoda hood and a 1963 Vette sitting around the corner. I'm in car heaven :-)
Alfred: She's isn't much of a watch cat though.....;-)

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« Reply #58 on: September 07, 2011, 14:56:41 »
Tom, Tom,


Meanwhile I am about to take the Pagoda for a run of about 300 miles over the next few days to a wine growing area with a group of other car nut friends. Now what spares should i take.  Maybe I will just use my USA AAA card and hope for the best ;D :D ;D :D



Yes Garry, you should have a nice trip and a few glasses of wine. I know I would be, if I saw my car in pieces like that and didn't know if it was ever going to come together again. (Just kidding :-)..... Hmmm, speaking of AAA, since you won't be able to use your free tows, maybe we should use them to get the Jag towed down to the docks ;-) I doubt you'll need any spares for the Pagoda. Also, the fuse box doesn't have a mystery location like the E type...

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Re: Driving an XK E Type from PUB 2011 to Australia
« Reply #59 on: October 05, 2011, 09:10:43 »
And so the saga goes on and the wee small space is slowly coming apart and poor Tom is realising that Pagodas are really nice to work on.

To change the speedo cable, the top of the transmission tunnel has to be removed to give access to the gearbox. A bit like working on the heater box in a Pagoda ::)

Well at least most of the parts are now with Tom,  Brake and clutch pedals were changed to angle for RHD and with new brake and clutch reservoirs now safely back with Tom from Australia. the conversion begins in ernest.

Shipping company has been selected, a New Zealander that Tom has worked with before.  When finished the car will be cleaned so that it can get through our quarantine inspections and put into a container for the trip to OZ.

When that will be is still unknown at this point.

Still lots of questions to be answered for Tom. Thankfully a Jag Restoration shop here is giving some help together with a friend that is also doing one in his shed at home.

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Re: Driving an XK E Type from PUB 2011 to Australia
« Reply #60 on: October 05, 2011, 09:53:00 »
Hi, Garry,

This DVD may be useful for the reassembly process.

http://www.markevans.co.uk/acatalog/A_Car_is_Reborn.html

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Re: Driving an XK E Type from PUB 2011 to Australia
« Reply #61 on: October 05, 2011, 12:13:33 »
Jags are certainly interesting cars to work on.  Too bad we don't have a video camera on Tom all the time to see and hear what he encounters.

Say, my friend here in Michigan has a 1967 Jaguar 420 Saloon.  He recently discovered a very rare factory option; this is the "fuel pumps fill the tail lamps with petrol option."  Good thing he discovered this during the day.  He decided he no longer needs that option and will be removing it soon.  I wonder if this was available on the E-Types?  ;)
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Re: Driving an XK E Type from PUB 2011 to Australia
« Reply #62 on: October 05, 2011, 12:24:19 »
I think the video would be interesting also, but not with sound...

I know if that was me trying to deal with it, you wouldn't want to hear all that was being said.  :-X
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Re: Driving an XK E Type from PUB 2011 to Australia
« Reply #63 on: October 05, 2011, 12:49:07 »
Michael,

Your friend is probably lucky he did not have to break open the can of smoke that comes with every Jaguar. I think it was Smiths that sold the cans. Don't know if they still do!!!

Tom is putting in a new wiring loom to ensure the smoke does not appear unexpectedly.

Rick, I heard some of what Tom would be saying now as we spent four days in the small confined space, at around 120 degrees without air, windows down and frying eggs on the transmission tunnel getting from PUB to LA.  As a result I have also asked Tom to put in a bundle of dynamat to try to insulate the heat out of the cabin.
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Re: Driving an XK E Type from PUB 2011 to Australia
« Reply #64 on: October 05, 2011, 17:40:26 »
.... As a result I have also asked Tom to put in a bundle of dynamat to try to insulate the heat out of the cabin.
Hi Garry,
it may come as a shock to you but Dynamat is a very good sound dampening material but a lousy heat insulator. The metal foil provides a little bit of radiant heat reflection, that's all.

For heat insulation use something like Thermozite: http://www.perfectfit.com/15269/154086/Carpet--Padding/Thermozite.html
or better a polyimide material that is used in the aerospace industry:
http://www.evonikfoams.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=69&Itemid=78
Dynamat used to sell a polyimide material under the name Tec-Mat but it is NLA.
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Re: Driving an XK E Type from PUB 2011 to Australia
« Reply #65 on: October 05, 2011, 20:02:34 »
I had some of this
http://www.actis-isolation.com/produits.php?p=3&l=3&rub=41&gamme=0

 left over from some building work in 2005 and had it cut/seamed and left under my capets when I had them replaced. It does nothing for the noise but does wonders for the heat in the cabin of Audrey. Footwells and tranny tunnel are covered. It's light, thin and works
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Re: Driving an XK E Type from PUB 2011 to Australia
« Reply #66 on: October 05, 2011, 20:35:03 »
Lead septum from Black Forest works great.  Have it in the 190 SL too.  Sucks up sound and vibration.  Heavy.  Not sure BF would ship.  And it's not permanent, just lays in.  Very moldable and easy to fit.
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Re: Driving an XK E Type from PUB 2011 to Australia
« Reply #67 on: October 05, 2011, 21:09:36 »
Thanks Guys,

Asked Tom to have a bit of a rethink on What we use to insulate against heat. Sound is not the problem :-)

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Re: Driving an XK E Type from PUB 2011 to Australia
« Reply #68 on: October 06, 2011, 03:07:45 »
Tosh,
the TRISO-SOLS material from this company looks very attractive because of its weight and its only about 7 mm thick. I wish the company would provide some insulation values.
John,
the lead septum is a very nice sound insulator but it is very heavy and certainly not cheap at $17/sq.ft.

I have started a new topic http://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=15421 in the hope that we can get more and better information on suitable materials.
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« Reply #69 on: October 06, 2011, 08:02:40 »
On Thelews's photographs above, fitted to the seat support crossmember there is a small metal stop,in the parts list in the seat frame section it is item #39 part# 113 919 00 21.  I think it is a seat stop but other members think it is associated with the fire extinquisher.
What is its function?
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« Reply #70 on: October 11, 2011, 07:59:08 »
Hello Garry,
Sorry to hi-jack your thread re:  the Jag: E type.
I am very surprised there has been no feed back as i need to know if it is worth refitting it to my nearly completed car
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« Reply #71 on: October 11, 2011, 08:07:36 »
Eric,

Maybe John L does not read this part of the forum so I suggest that you copy his photo and then put a new topic in the General area of the Forum directly asking John what the tab is for.  I suspect it is the fire extinguisher fixture.

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« Reply #72 on: October 11, 2011, 12:11:02 »
Eric,

Maybe John L does not read this part of the forum so I suggest that you copy his photo and then put a new topic in the General area of the Forum directly asking John what the tab is for.  I suspect it is the fire extinguisher fixture.

Garry

I do read this forum, but don't know what the tab is for.  Does it say in the parts manual?
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« Reply #73 on: October 11, 2011, 15:09:52 »
Hi Eric,
you mentioned already the two possibilities "I think it is a seat stop but other members think it is associated with the fire extinquisher. "
In the parts list it is called a "Stop angle" and since it is associated with seat parts I doubt that it functions as a fire extinguisher mounting gizmo.
It is present in LHD and RHD cars but, of course, always in front of the driver seat.
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« Reply #74 on: October 11, 2011, 18:04:48 »
I initially thought it was a seat stop, then changed my mind to a fire extinguisher mount. If a seat stop, why only for the drivers seat?:

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