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Rocker Panel Color
« on: January 28, 2011, 07:33:34 »
What color were the 1969 280sls rockers painted?
« Last Edit: February 13, 2011, 15:30:45 by 280SL71 »

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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2011, 10:35:19 »
My understanding is that they were all (all years) painted black.  Other members with more expertise than me will clarify the exact color of black, and the textured surface, but they were NOT the body color.  It's one of the most common mistakes when re-painting the car.

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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2011, 11:31:21 »
I'm with Doug on that, repainted mine in satin black after the PO had them painted with chrome paint - way too much bling :-)
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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2011, 13:17:23 »
Sorry, grey on mine and ORIGINAL.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2011, 15:42:21 by thelews »
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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2011, 17:44:56 »
A very DARK grey. Notice the original brush touch up work done in this photo.

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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2011, 22:46:32 »
Not so dark, compared to black...

« Last Edit: February 27, 2011, 15:42:39 by thelews »
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John - Wisconsin
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1961 190 SL 23K miles
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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2011, 23:32:52 »
Mine are not textured and painted body color. I guess that's another thing for me to correct.

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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2011, 23:52:06 »
Not so dark, compared to black...



 I guess we can settle on medium grey:-) You have a beautiful car BTW. Is the paint original?
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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2011, 04:37:17 »
No, mostly repainted in 1975 with original 568 Herberts by the previous owner of 37 years and other mishaps tended to over the years.  The interior and all chrome are the most original parts of the car, only the sill carpet has been replaced and the wood refinished because the previous owner didn't like the way it looked from the factory.  Other areas of the car are rebuilt and refinished, but correct, so they are a mix of original and refinished.  The car has 150K+ miles on it.  Thanks for the compliment.

« Last Edit: February 27, 2011, 15:42:57 by thelews »
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1961 190 SL 23K miles
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1970 Porsche 911E
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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2011, 17:11:56 »
OK, I'm a little confused.
The Tech Manual states the rockers are flat black, see the link:
http://www.sl113.org/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=DataCard.PaintCodes
John's (thelews) very nice original rockers from an early 67 250 SL are dark grey.
John's (49er) are dark grey on his original owner 69 280 SL with original rocker paint (if I understood correctly).

So, are we saying all rockers should be dark grey?
Can others comment on this?
Does anyone have the paint code number?

My wife wants to know why I find this interesting and important. That one is not a question. You don't have to explain why.  ;D
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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2011, 17:27:43 »
I ordered an original set from MB back in the '90s and they came in dark grey like John's car has. That being said, my '69 that is original except for a repaint (obvious) has rockers that I would call black and there is no sign of repaint on them, even to the point of having the original brush touch up visible like 49ers - so ?? :-\
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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2011, 17:42:07 »
OK, I'm a little confused.
The Tech Manual states the rockers are flat black, see the link:

The tech manual is mostly anecdotal.  This is not to say the information is incorrect or unhelpful, just that it may not be accurate per factory standards at time of build.  Original cars and factory literature are your best sources of accurate information about originality.  It makes sense that over the years, a cleaning, quick masking and painting with a rattle can of the rockers in black would be a very easy cosmetic improvement and done on a lot of 113 examples, especially nicer looking ones.
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John - Wisconsin
1967 Early 250 SL Red/Caviar, Manual #1543
1961 190 SL 23K miles
1964 Porsche 356
1970 Porsche 911E
1991 BMW 318is
1966 Jaguar XKE
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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2011, 18:16:40 »

John's (49er) are dark grey on his original owner 69 280 SL with original rocker paint (if I understood correctly).



You understand correctly. That is the color that came from the factory. No spray can has been near them:-) I have also been looking through my old photographs of my '67 250 SL but no luck so far in finding one that has a good picture of the Rocker panels. If my memory (going back 44 years) serves me right, pretty sure they were the same shade of grey.
John
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Original Owner, Purchased September 18, 1968
4 speed manual, PS. 77217 miles
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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2011, 18:41:48 »
Quote from: mbzman
What color were the 1969 280sls rockers painted?
They were not really "painted", the metal was covered with a type of dark "Bodyschutz" material.
See attached factory colour photo here. For a closeup where you see texture, look at 49er:s picture below
(reply No4)
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« Last Edit: January 31, 2011, 11:18:44 by mbzse »
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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2011, 18:45:58 »
The tech manual is mostly anecdotal.
Thanks John (and John 49er), I am asking about the color for two reasons.
1. For my own car. This is on the list of things to do since my rockers are body color. It's pretty far down on the list though.  ;)  So, I want to do it correct when I do do it.
2. Whatever we learn here, I'll make or suggest a change to the tech manual. At the very least we need to mention this dark grey. If we can get to the bottom of this we can make the tech manual more correct. Of course, we need to be very careful with issues of originality.

So, anyone have any more info on the subject. Like factory original rockers in flat or matte or ? black?
1970 280 SL Automatic, USA version, Grey-Blue (906G/906G), Blue leather (245)
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1984 Porsche Euro Carrera coupe, LSD, SlateBlueMet/Blue
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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2011, 21:04:46 »
The tech manual is mostly anecdotal.  

John,

if you believe the Tech Manual is incorrect, please correct it. It is a collaborative, group effort, with no single one author. Every Full Member has editing rights.

See the disclaimer on this page: http://www.sl113.org/wiki/Main/HomePage

And instructions to contribute here: http://www.sl113.org/wiki/Main/EditNotes

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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2011, 22:12:01 »
Original cars and factory literature are your best sources of accurate information about originality.

Not precisely, I'm afraid.  I've seen conflicting and or incorrect information in factory literature, and factory authorized literature.  At the moment, I've been working on a W113 Buyer's Guide (summary article, not a book) that will be published in The Star later this year.  One of the sidebars is by the late Frank Mallory, highly respected collector/author, regarding running changes to the W113 from inception to end of production.  Here is what Frank said:

This list was compiled from manuals, parts books and observation of original cars.  The generally excellent factory literature is not very reliable in this case; for example, Edition A of the 250 SL parts book shows one-piece wheel covers that were not adopted until a year after publication.

Further, the list had a few errors on it picked up by Peter Lesler, also highly respected and recognized.  Two other members of our group here have been Shanghaied volunteered to read the draft and I'm certain, quite certain, that they will pick up some additional errors--errors that might have been in factory literature but have proven to be wrong like the one case that Frank pointed out.

Bottom line is, nobody and nothing is perfect.  We strive for perfection however, and one of the purposes of the collaborative Tech Manual, (and indeed, the forums) is to share our findings.
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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2011, 22:20:30 »
I'm well aware that the factory publications contain errors from my experiences with the 190 SL.  Still, I will maintain that a combination of true original cars and factory publications will get you as close to factory original as possible.  And, we all know there were exceptions depending upon how much beer Hans had at lunch or what might have been within easy reach on the shelf.

My only other point was that this website's tech manual, as a collaborative effort, is helpful in many ways, but should not be considered the final word and that someone who really wants to be sure of originality may have to consult several sources for verification.  In other words, just because it says it in the website tech manual, doesn't make it so.
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John - Wisconsin
1967 Early 250 SL Red/Caviar, Manual #1543
1961 190 SL 23K miles
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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2011, 22:23:41 »
In other words, just because it says it in the website tech manual, doesn't make it so.

Which we realise, and which is why we have the disclaimer. But if you -- or someone else --  do(es) know the correct "answer", solution, or fact, we've made it as easy as possible for it to be corrected. If anyone believes the TM is wrong, don't just say so on the forum, take the little bit of effort to fix the TM.

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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2011, 22:49:46 »
Too hard and complicated to edit wiki for us non-techies, sort of like pic posting.  

Also, just because I THINK I know, doesn't mean I do.  Disclaimer or not, most WIKI sites have editors that edit any posting for accuracy.  Hell, if I was so inclined, and I'm not, I could go in and sabotage all the information in the tech manual and cause a lot of grief for website members.
« Last Edit: January 30, 2011, 22:55:24 by thelews »
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John - Wisconsin
1967 Early 250 SL Red/Caviar, Manual #1543
1961 190 SL 23K miles
1964 Porsche 356
1970 Porsche 911E
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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2011, 23:58:28 »
they look better black-that is the bottom line. Most are black, so as far as I am concerned, black has become the standard
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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2011, 02:58:57 »
Mine are kind of grey-black and textured.  I don't know if they were ever repainted but they look like John's.  Except for his red and my white we have the same interior combo.  Maybe caviar interior has the same color rockers.
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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2011, 03:07:06 »
Thank you Badali. We can explore interior colors with respect to rocker colors.

49er, What color interior do you have (original once again, correct?)?
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1984 Porsche Euro Carrera coupe, LSD, SlateBlueMet/Blue
1998 BMW M-Rdstr Estoril Blue
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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2011, 13:08:33 »
Thank you Badali. We can explore interior colors with respect to rocker colors.

49er, What color interior do you have (original once again, correct?)?

I may be going out on a limb  ::), but I highly doubt interior color has ANYTHING to do with rocker color. 
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John - Wisconsin
1967 Early 250 SL Red/Caviar, Manual #1543
1961 190 SL 23K miles
1964 Porsche 356
1970 Porsche 911E
1991 BMW 318is
1966 Jaguar XKE
1971 Alfa Romeo GTV 1750

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Re: ROCKER PANEL COLOR
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2011, 17:46:35 »
Cognac MB Tex, but I have to agree with John (thelews) on this. Should have no effect on the rocker panels color.

John
1969 280SL 003820
Un Restored, All Original, including the paint
Original Owner, Purchased September 18, 1968
4 speed manual, PS. 77217 miles
7280 miles since awoken from her 20+ yr "nap" in 2010