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Alan Smithee

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Original Kangol seatbelt mounting points?
« on: July 15, 2025, 23:46:57 »

Did searches here and many other places, but could not find any photos...

Can I trouble someone with a later 280SL having original carpet and factory Kangol seatbelts to post photos of the outside mounting points, both top and especially bottom?

Thank you in advance!


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Re: Original Kangol seatbelt mounting points?
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2025, 00:42:52 »
If I recall correctly, all Pagodas have had the same 3-point belt mounting locations since some date in 1966.  My Italian delivery 230SL with an Oct 5, 1966 build date has the mounting holes, but never any seat belts!

But, my point is that you don't need to depend on the specific references you mentioned.
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Re: Original Kangol seatbelt mounting points?
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2025, 19:35:14 »

^  As you pointed out, early cars did not necessarily come with seatbelts from the factory.  I am trying to determine factory correct mounting for belts on a US car, which I believe became law in 1967-1968...hence the request for images from a later car.

I see others have sought this in the past, but no photos in response.  There are dozens of interior shots of dozens of 'original' cars out there...lots of images of Kangol buckles, but annoyingly nobody captures the belt mounting points. 

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Re: Original Kangol seatbelt mounting points?
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2025, 21:49:04 »
Hello,
You have to look behind the carpet, it's at the bottom corner of the vertical wall behind the seats. If your car had never been equipped in period, you have to punch a hole in the carpet to pass the seatbelt screw (don't drill!)
Sorry, pictures do not pass!
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Re: Original Kangol seatbelt mounting points?
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2025, 00:50:15 »
There are some pictures here
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=13724.0

Attached is a picture from my 68 280sl.  The bottom is mounted in the side instead of the normal spot on the floor
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Re: Original Kangol seatbelt mounting points?
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2025, 04:48:14 »

Thanks, but to clarify…looking for photos of the outer seatbelt mounting points of an original car with carpet and seatbelts in place as delivered.

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Re: Original Kangol seatbelt mounting points?
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2025, 10:58:01 »
Not sure what you mean by outer?  There are 3 mount points -
#1 on the tunnel, #2 over the shoulder on the padded corner cover, #3 on the floor behind the seat in front of the parcel shelf.  Brad's pictures in the thread I linked, show all three.
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Re: Original Kangol seatbelt mounting points?
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2025, 13:39:24 »
Taken from the posts on this forum. You may try Search function, key in "seat belts".

I also attach factory sketch.
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Re: Original Kangol seatbelt mounting points?
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2025, 17:48:08 »
Not sure what you mean by outer?  There are 3 mount points -
#1 on the tunnel, #2 over the shoulder on the padded corner cover, #3 on the floor behind the seat in front of the parcel shelf.  Brad's pictures in the thread I linked, show all three.
Yes, well aware.  Outer being #2 and #3.  Inner being #1 on the tunnel.

You are explaining exactly why I am looking for pictures of an original car with untouched original carpet and original factory-installed belts:  From what I have gathered, factory mounting for #3 is NOT on the floor, but instead on the vertical crossmember supporting the parcel shelf as shown by Pawel66 above.  Beyond confirmation of that, I would like to see how it was finished from the factory in order to replicate it.

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Re: Original Kangol seatbelt mounting points?
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2025, 17:51:21 »
Taken from the posts on this forum. You may try Search function, key in "seat belts".

I also attach factory sketch.
Appreciated, but again looking for photos of a late original car.

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Re: Original Kangol seatbelt mounting points?
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2025, 20:03:48 »
There were holes in the carpet and bolts screwed in with distance washer. No caps, nothing special.

Maybe there are pictures on motoring investments old site, look for the Holy Grail.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2025, 19:18:25 by Pawel66 »
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Re: Original Kangol seatbelt mounting points?
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2025, 21:17:17 »
Thanks.  Yeah, I went through almost every car on Brian's sites both new and old before posting here, and all photos of the rear areas are cropped just above the mounting point.

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Re: Original Kangol seatbelt mounting points?
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2025, 01:03:41 »
Can't you feel the holes beneath the carpet?  I know you can feel the shoulder mount under the upholstery.
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Re: Original Kangol seatbelt mounting points?
« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2025, 02:20:33 »

Assuming mounting holes are in the body, I would like to see how it looked from the factory before cutting into brand new carpet.
 

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Re: Original Kangol seatbelt mounting points?
« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2025, 12:45:04 »
So I take it that you replaced the carpet, now that it is new, and you did not see any holes?
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Re: Original Kangol seatbelt mounting points?
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2025, 18:29:48 »

I bought the car with non-original carpet and non-original belts incorrectly secured to the parcel shelf screws.

I now have new carpet in, and original Kangol belts that I want to have mounted exactly as the factory did.  For that I am seeking photos of an original car.  I am 90% sure how it should look, but want to be 100%.  I expect correct seatbelt mounting holes are under the carpet since the car is a 1969 US-spec and they were required at that point. 

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Re: Original Kangol seatbelt mounting points?
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2025, 19:21:03 »
Well, you need to feel the hole through the carpet or lift the carpet to locate the hole. Punch the hole in the carpet and fit the belt mounting with a distance/shoulder washer. No mystery there…
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Re: Original Kangol seatbelt mounting points?
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2025, 20:11:45 »
Well, you need to feel the hole through the carpet or lift the carpet to locate the hole.
That's what I was asking.  If you're 90% sure where the holes are beneath the carpet, you should be able to press and find them, then mark them.  No??
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Re: Original Kangol seatbelt mounting points?
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2025, 22:53:56 »

I appreciate all of the input. 

Going back to my original post, I am looking for photos of an original car with factory installed belts to see exactly what they looked like new so it can be exactly replicated.  Simple as that.  Spent a lot of money on this interior restoration and not looking to assume, guess, or get it 90% right. 

I know there are plenty of original cars out there.  Just need a couple pics from someone who has one.  Thanks.


 

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