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1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« on: May 20, 2021, 02:31:24 »
I am looking for new tires for my car and after many calls I was told that no manufacturer makes them anymore. So the closest ones I was able to find are at Discount Tire, and they are 185/70 R14 87T SL WW I would appreciate if anyone has experience with these ones or is there are others better from another source.
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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2021, 03:20:57 »
Hernan

There is a massive amount of information on this site about tires — maybe you are not comfortable with the search function. 

A tire that many like that is available at Discount Tire is  HANKOOK Optima 195/75/14

If you have the original 14 inch wheels, these whitewall tires should fit and are liked by many.  This size is close to original. 

Here’s a link to the tire at your Scottsdale Discount Tire. 

https://www.discounttire.com/buy-tires/hankook-optimo-h724/p/10702
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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2021, 17:52:54 »
I am not sure if you would consider something like this:
They look great , have a tire protector behind them.
I have been using them for years and the make choosing well performing tires a lot easier (i have vredestein 185r14 classics)

https://www.ravus.de/

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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2021, 19:06:36 »
I have the Hankook Optima and I’m pleased
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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2021, 20:24:08 »
I purchased the Maxxis MA-1 for $114 per tire about a year and a half ago. They have a 3/4 inch white wall. They were available through Coker and on Amazon. Amazon was cheaper and free shipping.
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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2021, 11:03:35 »
I just got a set of the Blockley 185-HR14 WW. My car is being finished now and I expect to report on these soon.
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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2021, 05:52:24 »
Hi there

I recently bought a set of Uniroyal 195/75 R14 “Tiger Paw II” with 17-18 mm white stripes. Bought them off EBay and had them shipped to a US friend, who was moving to Denmark with all his stuff in a container, and could bring them along. The Uniroyals in this size and with white stripes are not sold in Europe.

I have them here now, but I have not yet mounted them. But they look great! :D

I looked also at the the similar Hankooks mentioned above, but I wanted an inexpensive tire with white stripes manufactured in the US (or Europe) by a US/European tire manufacturer, and Uniroyal in the US is indeed owned my Michelin and manufactures its tires in the US. Thus, they fitted the bill! :)

Hankook is a South Corean brand, and what I could find in Europe with white stripes (Maxxis, Dimax, Nanking etc.) are all Chinese manufactured tires, unless you go for the more expensive brands like Michelin, Vredestein, Pirelli, Dunlop, Blockley, etc., where several of these tires do not have the white stripes on the tires from the start (except Michelin and Blockley), but they are added later by a sub-supplier when you order the tire with white side stripes, and I think that looks less good, as they sort of look like they have been added later, and are quite thick.

My thinking was that I do not want to pay a fortune for tires, which will see limited mileage and will grow old after 5-10 years. Here you pay from around 400 USD and up per tire with white stripes from the expensive European brands, and the Uniroyal were around 80 USD per tire. I can get a lot of set of Uniroyal tires for the same price as the more expensive brands!!

I see that several of the w113 part suppliers, eg. Palm Beach Classics in Florida also carries the Uniroyal 195/75 R14 Tiger Paw II 🐾. Thus, I guess it cannot be that bad if they sell it. ;)

In any case, I love the thread pattern and sidewalls in the Uniroyal tires, and I also for my late 280SL wanted narrow stripes (less than 20 mm) which I think looks best on the 280SL with the late one-piece style hub caps - for the 230/250SL with the early style two-piece hub caps, I would go for wider side stripes, 20-25 mm. :)

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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2022, 13:55:45 »
Hi I am looking for a set of 4 tyres.  I fancy going for a whitewall, just to add a bit of Jazz.  My car is midnight blue which can look a bit dull.
I have read everywhere about the Tyres. Michellins look great but are too expensive and as others have said will go out of date before they wear out.
I liked the look of the Maxxis and thought about ordering them, then can't get them anywhere? Any clues?
These things are probably fluid and manuafactureres will start/stop manufacturing on demand.
Available is: 195/75 R 14 Hankook Whitewall @ £85+ Each.  But this is a 195 and not 185 and a 75 rather than a 80. Has anyone tried this or expreienced any difficulty?
Similarily there are 185 TR 14 Galaxy Whitewall @ £77+ but I have never heard of them again 185's and not menton of the profile.

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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2022, 15:18:32 »
Hi I am looking for a set of 4 tyres.  I fancy going for a whitewall, just to add a bit of Jazz.  My car is midnight blue which can look a bit dull.
I have read everywhere about the Tyres. Michellins look great but are too expensive and as others have said will go out of date before they wear out.
I liked the look of the Maxxis and thought about ordering them, then can't get them anywhere? Any clues?
These things are probably fluid and manuafactureres will start/stop manufacturing on demand.
Available is: 195/75 R 14 Hankook Whitewall @ £85+ Each.  But this is a 195 and not 185 and a 75 rather than a 80. Has anyone tried this or expreienced any difficulty?
Similarily there are 185 TR 14 Galaxy Whitewall @ £77+ but I have never heard of them again 185's and not menton of the profile.

Seem to be going around in circles.
Thanks

In the past season, I bought a set of Uniroyal 195/75 R14 “Tiger Paw II” with 17-18 mm white stripes, and I am very happy with them. They drive and perform perfectly and are also very quiet. They were also around the same price as you mention below, and I bought them on Ebay and had them shipped to a US friend, who was moving to Europe / Denmark with all his belongings and could bring them over where I live in the world. ;)

Also, Uniroyal tires are made in the USA (and not in China or Korea like the Maxxis, Hankook etc.). Furthermore, Uniroyal in the USA is actually owned by Michelin. So if you want Michelins but cannot afford or want to pay the high price for a set of Michelin MXV-P 185R14 tires, the Uniroyals are a good and much cheaper alternative.

195 tires have to be 75 height in order to have approximately the same diameter as a 185R14 tire. The 75 stands actually for 75% of the width, thus the height will be 195*0.75=146.25. Whereas the 185R14 has a fixed height of 80% (or 78% to be exact) of the width, thus 185*0.78=144.30 which is a small difference. So 195/75 R14 is the right size for the w113.

Hope this helps you. :)

Cheers,

Christian
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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2022, 16:25:40 »
I just got a set of the Blockley 185-HR14 WW. My car is being finished now and I expect to report on these soon.

I have the Hankooks and they are OK but the WSW is hard to keep "white".
I haven't seen anything from Michael on the Blockley's but I am thinking that will be my next tire for my 230 SL.

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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2022, 12:30:54 »
Sadly your link is dead as is the company it seems?

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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2022, 12:54:19 »
Sadly your link is dead as is the company it seems?

If it is the Blockley tyres you are looking for, then you can find them here:

https://www.blockleytyre.com/product/185hr14-white-wall

Cheers,

Christian :)
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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2022, 16:06:17 »
Biff, Berg, Norm, etc.

My own personal opinion here: there are basically two "classes" of tires still made in the appropriate size(s) for our car.

These are the standard, production tires, nearly all of them would be in the P195/75-14 size (some slightly larger/smaller), generally with the "S" speed rating. This is a changing cast of tires, since no production car in "the west" (North America and Europe) to my knowledge, uses a 14" tire any longer. Thus they are all supplied as replacement tires, not OEM. Even the minuscule Honda "FIT" has a 16" tire; The tinier Chevy Spark has 15". 14" tires are all but obsolete in today's car production. I'm sure there's some bizarre cars in the Far East, South America, or India that may still use 14" wheels but they in all likelihood would not be in the 185 size. As a production tire, they are made in higher volumes and feature lower price points, generally less than $100.00. Sets of four can be found in the $350 +/- price range. If you are interested in these kinds of tires, look up Hankook, Uniroyal, Kumho, Tornel, Nexen, Toyo, Primewell, Starfire, Travelstar, Douglas, Westlake, Milestar, Sceptor, and probably a few more...or visit any local tire store to where you are.

Then we have the low-volume specialty tires. These are in the appropriate size of 185-HR14. That's either a 78 or 80 series profile (generally unmarked); H-speed rated in the 14" size. For these we have the Vredestein Sprint Classic; Coker Phoenix; Michelin MXV, Blockley. The Vredestein is not available with WW. The Michelin WAS available with WW but not in the USA, and didn't come through the normal Michelin supply chain channels. The Coker Phoenix has been around for a long time. The Blockley is new-ish, and comes in both WW and BW versions. The pricing on these tires is significantly higher.

Now going back to the original "as supplied" tires, back during the Pagoda production, the tires were the Firestone Phoenix and the [second sourced] Continental RA60. During the original specification time, radial tires were brand new, and the radial tire that was introduced at the time was the Michelin X. Pagoda engineer Rudolf Uhlenhaut indicated at that time, that the sidewalls of the X were too flexible. The regular bias-ply tires also available at the time didn't perform as well. So, MB commissioned the Phoenix which AT THAT TIME was known as a "half-radial" with both radial and bias plies in the construction. What this did was provide some of the improved handling characteristics of the new radial design, with a stiffer sidewall like a bias ply. That's history as written; what happened by later production is unknown to me. Perhaps more tires than those two were eventually fitted.

When I first had my car restored 20 years ago, the tire selection was a bit more than today. Nonetheless I chose a tire based upon price point. I bought a set of Pirelli P600 or P6000, now long out of production in that size. They were inexpensive tires at the time. On my car, I did not like the handling at all. To me, it felt as if the body was disconnected from the chassis; (even though there is no such separation). I felt like I floated over parts of the road, and when I braked, it felt as if the body wanted to keep going. It was a cushy, floaty ride I found disturbing. When I rode in Tom Sargeant's car with the Cokers, I realized that there is a better tire. So I did get a set of Cokers and kept them on until this past summer when I changed them to the Blockley because the Cokers had "aged out".

It's hard to do a real objective tire test since I've never driven or been in two Pagodas that had the same road feel; each is different. I can only judge my own experience with my car. The Pirellis were awful. The Cokers were great. The Blockley even better. As far as Hankook Optimo goes no personal experience on a Pagoda, but I had a set on my prior Ford Flex, courtesy of Ford who clearly bought them on a production price point. They too were awful, in my opinion. After one year, I upgraded to Michelin Primacy MXV4, sold the Hankooks on Craigslist, and what a remarkable difference. I kept those tires on for the next 40,000 miles, and was happy I made the change.

I'm trying to engineer a group buy with the Blockley. I hope to have some information on that, if its possible, soon.

I'm a bit of a stickler on tire quality and maintenance. It's the only thing between the mean streets, and your beloved and costly Pagoda: a small contact patch of rubber. I've sought out careful road force tire balancing with Hunter equipment. I learned my lesson on less costly tires, both on my Pagoda and on my other cars. There's a number of higher performance cars out there, some of them much less valuable than  a nice Pagoda, that come fitted with costly Michelin Pilot Sports; and yes people complain about the tire price all the time. To wit: I had my Ford inspected for the upcoming registration renewal the other day, and there was a woman in with a Lexus ES, and just blew a tire, sidewall damage not repairable. Pilot Sport 4S. $350 each. Currently unavailable. She may have to get a set of two in another make...boy was she shocked.
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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2022, 17:04:35 »
Biff, Berg, Norm, etc.

Thanks a lot for a really nice and insightful view on tires.

I fully agree, but unfortunately the price can be a major factor for many - even though the  Pagoda is an expensive car.

I have too been through a number of different tires, and if you want to go for a budget S-rated tire, my favourite is by far the Uniroyal 195/75 R14 TigerPaw-II. You will also see that many of the classic Mercedes part stores carry that tire as a cheaper alternative to the more expensive 185R14 tires from Michelin, Vredestein, Blockley, etc..

At least I am very satisfied with the Uniroyals on my 280SL, and I can only recommend them to anyone looking for a cheaper alternative which does not bottom-out on performance.

Cheers,

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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2022, 22:32:53 »
I am not sure if you would consider something like this:
They look great , have a tire protector behind them.
I have been using them for years and the make choosing well performing tires a lot easier (i have vredestein 185r14 classics)

https://www.ravus.de/

Now that’s clever!
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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2022, 22:40:35 »
I see we again have our international differential in how tyre is spelt, and just for the hec of starting the debate again 😁

So TYRE is
noun
a rubber covering, typically inflated or surrounding an inflated inner tube, placed round a wheel to form a soft contact with the road.

However TIRE is
verb
1. feel or cause to feel in need of rest or sleep.
2.lose interest in; become bored with.

Or are you tired of trying to find tyres?!?!!

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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2022, 23:04:36 »
Those "add your own" white walls have been sold for many years here in the USA. One of the leading suppliers is a firm called Portawall.
Then there are other firms that will add WW a bit more proper as it were.

There are a LOT of mixed reviews out there. Sticking with factory made...

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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2022, 15:41:59 »
I second the motion about the Hankook WW being hard to keep from yellowing. Plus it looks like the WW was a "tape" that was molded on and the ends don't meet very well with some gaps. Not just on one, but on all four. They were inexpensive but will be swapped out in a few years. If you are looking for a cheap WW tire, they are tolerable.

The Uniroyal was out of stock last fall (as was everything else), and will try that next time. 
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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2022, 15:41:20 »
I see we again have our international differential in how tyre is spelt, and just for the hec of starting the debate again 😁

So TYRE is
noun
a rubber covering, typically inflated or surrounding an inflated inner tube, placed round a wheel to form a soft contact with the road.

However TIRE is
verb
1. feel or cause to feel in need of rest or sleep.
2.lose interest in; become bored with.

Or are you tired of trying to find tyres?!?!!

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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2022, 16:37:14 »
I second the motion about the Hankook WW being hard to keep from yellowing. Plus it looks like the WW was a "tape" that was molded on and the ends don't meet very well with some gaps. Not just on one, but on all four. They were inexpensive but will be swapped out in a few years. If you are looking for a cheap WW tire, they are tolerable.

ALL white wall tires (the white band part, at least) are challenging to keep clean. I've had Pirelli and Coker, and all the same, since 1999-2000. One of the culprits to the discoloration is a bleeding of the carbon black particles from the black part of the tire onto the white part; this is exacerbated if you use any kind of tire foam, tire cleaner, tire brightener, or other spray on chemical. Guilty as charged. In my attempts to keep the entire sidewall clean and shiny, I give up a little on the white part.

The easiest way to restore the white is use a white wall restorer/cleaner. The one I used most frequently was from Coker. https://www.cokertire.com/accessories/wide-white-whitewall-tire-cleaner.html A bottle lasted me 10 years. But, I didn't follow the instructions on the bottle per se; what I did is, on a wet tire, spray some of the cleaner on some 1500 grit wetordry sandpaper (used in body/paint work) and carefully clean the white band with that wetted with the cleaner. As an alternative, that Mr. Clean "magic eraser" product (which I discovered years ago in a product from Germany that was not branded as such, and sold directly into the automotive marketplace before Mr. Clean got involved...) would probably substitute well for the 1500 grit.

Your car gets dirty just sitting there, whether there is covered in a garage or outside in your driveway. SOP prior to a show or showing of your car is cleaning or washing. Same holds true for the tires. If you think about it anything and everything that is white or close to it, will quickly soil outside. New white shoes? White slacks? The whitewalls are no different. They'll just be the first to show!

Tire/tyre. Kerb/curb. Boot/trunk. Hood/bonnet. Sweater/jumper. Elevator/lift, subways/underground, outlet/power point...and the list goes on.
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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2022, 14:34:42 »
Thanks.
Interesting, does anyone have any feedback on the Blockleys?

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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2022, 14:55:12 »
Fantastic detail. Thank you for that.
Before I read this message I had just discovered Blockley via google.  But had never heard of them and was looking for a review.
Then I opened up this page and here is the review I was looking for.  They are asking £160 each for them here in the UK. It would be interesting if your 'group deal' might be in the way of a code or something for us to use in different parts of the world to benefit from a more competitive purchase price.

I'd all but made my mind up on the Maxxis MA1 until I found that nobody had stock in the UK. I contacted Maxxis and they told me that they don't sell that tyre in the UK.

Interestinly my outgoing tyres are Michellin MX(something) are a 90 and not an 80.  I am so used to looking at them, that I now wonder if an 80 or a 75 is going to look too small.  Also of note I checked my speedo against GPS yesterday and I practically got a similar reading, despite the profile on my current tyres being worng.

I need to order 4x tyres asap, so if you are talking with Blockley anytime soon could you let me know.

Thank you

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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2022, 17:33:51 »
I don't have the same problem with a yellowing WW from Diamond back. I have both the Hankook and Diamond back and the difference is obvious. My understanding is that the process Diamond back uses to apply their WW also blocks the carbon black staining. Have you ever stored a rubber suspension part in a plastic bag for a few years? Yes it stains the bag yellow. Same thing going on with most WW. But not Diamond Back. Does it cost more? Yup. But a better quality WW is what you get for the extra cost.   
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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2022, 17:40:16 »
Thanks.
Interesting, does anyone have any feedback on the Blockleys?

I have them. They are, in my opinion, better than the Cokers they replaced. The Cokers were better than the Pirellis that they replaced.

The mark of a good tire, almost the same for a shoe, is you shouldn't notice them. They shouldn't give you any concern for noise, handling, braking, or anything else in your normal driving. I have no technical data to back up the feel; in order to "properly test" tires, you'd have to have a skid pad, some controlled conditions and various sets of tires ON THE SAME car to test. Without that costly setup, it's all anecdotal evidence.

I suspect any Pagoda owner would be extremely pleased with them, with the exception of price. There's a lot of folks out there that are looking for inexpensive when it comes to tires, and the Blockley, the Coker, the Michelin and Vredestein Sprint Classic are all a good step above in price from Uniroyals, Hankook, Maxxis, etc. which are all less than USD $100 each, and generally in the $300-$400 range for a set. Any of these mentioned will be somewhat more costly.

But, the "look" is as original as you are going to find in a modern tire, and the size is identical to original...and for the Americans out there like me who have WW, they are one of the few that have WW.

I could be wrong, but in the past when I looked at Diamond Back, it added at least $75 each to the cost of a tire, plus shipping. So, if you wanted to add WW to say, a Vredestein Sprint Classic, you first have to get the tires to Diamond Back, pay the fee and by the time you're done you are at one very costly tire. Probably one reason I kept the Cokers on so long...
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Mike Hughes

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Re: 1970 280 SL WHITE BAND TIRES
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2022, 02:14:32 »
Blockley Tyres are well respected in the vintage M.G. community, so I was glad to hear that they are now making blackwall and whitewall tires that fit the Pagoda.  Many of my M.G. friends on this side of the pond have found ordering Blockleys through Longstone Tyre in the U.K to be very convenient: they ship to North America and several folks have been amazed to receive sets of tires in a matter of days from the U.K.  I have a '37 M.G. TA that needs replacement tires and Blockley makes a 19" tire that is nearly identical to the pre-war Dunlop "Fort" tires that were fitted originally. Like Michael, I have a set of aging Cokers (with which I have been very happy!) that need replacing and Blockley is high on my list of replacements.  I'm look forward to hearing details of the group buy arrangement.
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