Changing ashtray lid insert

[dldubois]

After 20 years of my ashtray missing a lid I ordered one from Buds.   Black insert though I’d like to replace with my parchment mb Tex as original.  Secret to it?.   Don’t want to brake the new one,   

[MikeSimon]

The lid was always black. Parchment is not original.

[lreppond]

I have a family owned car and the ashtray cover is in the same color as its interior. 

[Pawel66]

Here you have a handful of threads on materials used for ashtray liners (seems not necessarily leather), looks like thinner materials. But my upholsterer made it with leather somehow.

https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=30533.msg221389#msg221389
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=19838.msg139995#msg139995

Working the hinge:
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=9879.msg65270#msg65270

When you put in "ashtray" in the search window, you get something like 5 pages of hits. Perhaps the exact procedure how to open given type of lid safely and replace the insert is there...

[kampala]

I have a family owned car and the ashtray cover is in the same color as its interior.

I understood that except for early 230’s,  pagodas had ash trays with cover matching interior color.   

It would be good to hear from our original owners on this.

[66andBlue]

The lid was always black. Parchment is not original.

Mike, speaking ex cathedra?
Still wrong.
Even in 230SL cars starting with VIN 012467 the ashtray followed the interior code, MB-Tex and leather.

[MikeSimon]

I thought we had a discussion here, and it was determined the lid was black. May not remember that correctly. I have parchment interior and the lid is "off-white". But I know it has been re-dyed, the PO gave me the color cans for the interior.

[Brennie]

I tried to swap black for the red of my car interior.. in doing so, I lifted the little tags to allow easy access to the padded bit... BIG mistake.. they just dropped of and ruined the whole lid.. I subsequently learns the it just slides apart.. too much haste...
Now looking for an ashtray lid only...
Just saying.. I may help someone from making the same mistake...

[Shvegel]

Just got all the plated parts back from the chrome shop and went to put the ashtray back together.  I seem to be missing the flat spring that holds the mechanism together.  It is the one that gets crimped to the body of the ashtray with 2 tabs.  Can anyone post a couple pictures so I can remake one?

[Pawel66]

Not what you need perhaps, but for starters: https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=9879.msg65270#msg65270

[66andBlue]

Or you can buy one from a member here:
http://pagode-markt.de

[Shvegel]

Thank you for the responses.  I will make a last attempt to find the original then probably make one.

[66andBlue]

Here is a photo but not sure whether it helps. You probably need a side view of the spring.

[66andBlue]

Found an old tray without lid (like to find one also  ).
This particular one had a movable tab in the spring "tongue", but all the other ones I have seem did not have that. I believe it makes the lid movement a bit more smooth.

[Shvegel]

Thanks for all the replies! 

Brennie,  i broke my tabs too so I spread a little epoxy between the aluminum inner and the upper lid.  Clamped it in a vice and it is AOK.

[Brennie]

Unfortunately I attempted to use small screws... it worked but looks terrible...
I wish I’d of thought of epoxy...
Thank

[Shvegel]

All done.  My old vinyl insert was looking rather deflated so I made a sandwich of the metal backing plate, 1/4” urethane foam and a new bit of MB-tex.

[66andBlue]

Looking good!
Did you find the spring or make a new one ... in record time?

[dldubois]

How's it just slide off?    I was also thinking of bending those tabs 

[Shvegel]

66andBlue,  I made a new one.  I had a piece of spring steel so it went fairly quick.   

[Brennie]

Whatever you do, don’t touch the tabs... they really just come away so easily.. they bund up , but as soon as you attempt to bend them back they just drop off... I’m guessing you just squeeze together and slide... I never got that far I’m afraid... decided in haste, repenting at leisure.....

[66andBlue]

Did you also make a new rubber buffer disk?
I noticed that the SLS ashtray reproduction has a rubber disk between the clip and the lid.
Haven't seen that on old ones either.
Question to the group: how many of you have an ashtray with that disk?

[DaveB]

I have an NOS ashtray here with the rubber hinge bumper - which I would not have noticed had you not mentioned it.

[66andBlue]

Thanks for posting photos and clearing up a suspicion I had that the rubber disk was perhaps only on these reproduction.
For how long will yours remain a unicorn? Anyone else having one?

[JamesL]

Can someone help me out....

The ashtray has a lid, a chrome surround and a box. The thread above is about the lid going on the surround.

Am I to understand that the ("chrome") surround and (zinc finish) box are "one" item or are they separable. If so, how? I'm looking to keep the visible parts but change the box underneath...
Thanks

[John Betsch - "SADIE"]

Could the color of the ash tray insert be based on whether leather or tex interior?

[114015]

Could the color of the ash tray insert be based on whether leather or tex interior?

No, John. 
This is not a primary question of leather versus MB-tex but only of the interior color code itself.
As Alfred mentioned earlier, only 230 SLs after 012467 had "colorful" lid inserts, all the ones before had only black.

The specific color of the padded insert was chosen in line with the interior list (Ausstattungs-Liste), which Alfred showed earlier.
The insert was always plastic liner, nothing else.

Achim
(former 113 ashtray collector)

[66andBlue]

Can someone help me out....
The ashtray has a lid, a chrome surround and a box. The thread above is about the lid going on the surround.
Am I to understand that the ("chrome") surround and (zinc finish) box are "one" item or are they separable. If so, how? I'm looking to keep the visible parts but change the box underneath...
Thanks

Hello James,
the "box" is spotwelded to the chrome surround. To get it them apart you can drill out the "spots". When you change the box and want use it again keep in mind to leave the two vertical spring steel strips in place to insert the box snugly into the wood box. Also the lid needs the spring steel tab that Shvegel manufactured.
For one mod I cut the bottom out and added a switch and USB port into the shell but did not separate the chrome surround from the box.

[JamesL]

Thanks Alfred

Exactly what I was after. So if I was to do something similar to your usb sockets, i am looking at putting my cognac lid on a “replacement yet modified” box/surround, or doing surgery on the underside of my complete unit.