Author Topic: 1970 280SL Carpet Snaps? (Read 5506 times)

Shvegel · « **on:** February 08, 2021, 20:25:52 »

on a 1970 280SL is there supposed to be carpet snaps to retain the carpet. My car is in storage but I am trying to hunt up a couple last minute items.

Pawel66 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 08, 2021, 20:45:10 »

It did. 6 of them, according to parts list.

Shvegel · « **Reply #2 on:** February 08, 2021, 23:57:33 »

Anyone have pictures?

49er · « **Reply #3 on:** February 09, 2021, 00:13:59 »

I took my new carpets (along with my old ones to use as templates) to a shop near me that does custom auto interiors and he just installed stock snaps.

John

Leester · « **Reply #4 on:** February 09, 2021, 00:41:15 »

SLS shows snaps. https://www.sls-hh-shop.de/main/de/68-verkleidungenmmung-68-e-bodenbelag-info-und-erg-nzungsteile-c-3_2341_112.

mrfatboy · « **Reply #5 on:** February 09, 2021, 01:10:21 »

I would also like to see the snap locations on carpet. I need to look but I seem to remember I have a couple of snap receivers screwed into the floor boards.

Does anybody have original snaps? What is the diameter? I would guess they would be 17mm like the toolkits.

GM · « **Reply #6 on:** February 09, 2021, 01:47:42 »

Here's a rough idea of the locations on the driver's side (LHD) carpet adjacent to the seat, and what the snaps look like. I can make more precise measurements if desired.

chumps · « **Reply #7 on:** February 09, 2021, 01:54:38 »

My 71 280 SL has snaps, but only four. Does anybody have the location of these snaps? Chumps

mrfatboy · « **Reply #8 on:** February 09, 2021, 01:55:40 »

Those look like the same original 17mm Dot Durable snaps on the tool kits. You cant get them anymore exactly like that but the company that bought them out is still selling. The branding stamp “DOT Durable” is no longer used. Plus they only sell 15mm caps. You would have to find 17mm caps elsewhere and mix and match.

Can you post a bigger picture so we can see all snaps on carpet at once?

neelyrc · « **Reply #9 on:** February 09, 2021, 04:53:51 »

Here are pictures of the six snaps on my original (a bit dirty at the moment) carpets.

neelyrc · « **Reply #10 on:** February 09, 2021, 04:56:47 »

And a typical snap.....

mrfatboy · « **Reply #11 on:** February 09, 2021, 05:04:43 »

So these looks like the passenger side pictures. I see 2 snaps by the seat. I see 2 snaps at the footwell. Where are the other 2 snaps located in the picture with the fire extinguisher?

Are there 6 snaps per side? Or total?

Sorry, maybe I just need a photo that has everything in one shot🤣

neelyrc · « **Reply #12 on:** February 09, 2021, 06:03:15 »

There are 6 snaps total. There are four snaps on the passenger side, two just in front of the seat and two all the way forward under the dash. I couldn’t get all four snaps in one picture so I took two shots. There are only two snaps on the driver side. They are just in front of the seat (picture with fire extinguisher) the same location as on the passenger side.

I removed the fire extinguisher from the bracket on the driver side to get both snaps in the picture. I shot all these in the dark tonight with a flash. Quality is not that great. The carpet color shows very light on the passenger side but it is in fact identical to the driver side which is more representative of the actual color.

Pawel66 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 09, 2021, 07:57:16 »

There has been a thread on that recently.

Here is some availabilities:

Have you checked Mercedes dealers? I looked at SLS, there are part numbers there, but it is quite easy to find in the EPC.

A 000 988 14 80 Stud (available 72hrs)
A 000 988 84 81 push button (same)

A 111 990 10 40 washer (this one is NLA), this is a simple one, you can get in SLS: https://www.sls-hh-shop.de/main/en/68-covering-68-e-floor-mats-info-and-attached-parts-c-3_2341_112

and the link to the thread: https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=32137.msg233269#msg233269

mrfatboy · « **Reply #14 on:** February 09, 2021, 08:18:51 »

@Ralph
Thanks. It now makes sense. I have the male end of the snaps screwed into the floor boards as in your picture. I will have to check in the morning to see if I have all 6.

@Pawel
I will call the MB dealer tomorrow and see what they say about your part numbers. However, I do have DOT 17mm snaps currently in a drawer somewhere. They just don’t say “DOT Durable” only “DOT”.

Shvegel · « **Reply #15 on:** February 09, 2021, 10:58:34 »

All good information. Thank you all. I am still searching for the original studs for the floor that I think might be with the car in storage but I recall a black plastic spacer that would have gone under the stud to raise it up off the floor. I assume this was for the very late cars with the thicker silver foil/glass fiber insulation which is thicker that the brown jute?

The snap socket from Neelyrc's car appears to be what they refer to as a "Hard Action" socket. The wire retainer is thicker so the snap is harder to pull off.

Mrfatboy, Let me know if you would like to part with any of the 17mm snaps? I would be interested.

mrfatboy · « **Reply #16 on:** February 09, 2021, 18:31:23 »

I just called our local MB dealer. I ordered a Cap and a stud just for kicks. Stud is $7. Cap is $2.50. The caps have to come from Germany. The guy had no idea if the size was the correct 17mm or if they were the DOT brand. I didn’t expect him too.

I will report back when they come in.

Pawel66 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 09, 2021, 21:24:35 »

I have them in my garage. Give me a minute.
No, I had the ones from SLS, sorry. That is because at SLS they had full set of parts, at MB just the top.

I will order them from MB too, see if it is DOT and 17mm (I would be surprised).

The push button A 000 988 84 81 (the PN changed from A 136 988 09 81).
The window (which is, obviously a washer, similar German word for both) A 111 990 10 40 is NLA. This may be the floor piece, actually.
Not sure what you mean by a "stud", but if it is what they call a knob, PN A 000 988 14 80 - 6 needed for RHD cars. 7 for LHD cars - they are not for 113044, they are for 230 and 250 SL only (rubber mats?). I think neelyrc showed that bottom part of snap with the washer was screwed to the floor.

Then 2pcs of N 007981 003214 TAPPING SCREW (SRUBA DO BLACHY) B3,9X9,5
Then 4pcs of N 007981 003240 TAPPING SCREW replaced by N 007981 003207 TAPPING SCREW (SRUBA DO BLACHY)

When I was making my tool bag, the gentleman who made it said that DOT snaps (I asked specifically for them for my tool bag) are normally available in upholstery stores (he was from the US).

49er · « **Reply #18 on:** February 09, 2021, 21:44:09 »

Here are a couple of photos of my original passenger side carpet, and an enlargement of the snap. My new carpet's snaps fit the car's posts. When I got my carpet from GAAH, I had the notch, as in the original, put in the carpet the same time as the new buttons.

John

mrfatboy · « **Reply #19 on:** February 09, 2021, 22:26:21 »

I checked my car and I have all 6 studs (male part of snap) screwed into to my floorboards. 2 on Drivers side and 4 on passenger side. On the passenger side the one stud closest to seat and door has a black plastic 3mm? washer underneath it.

It will be interesting to see what the MB dealer comes back with.

Pawel66 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 09, 2021, 22:40:29 »

Ok, if the male part of the snap you call "stud" - that is it, I understand.

There is another part there on some of the diagrams that, in my humble and non-native speaker view, deserved more the name stud

- for earlier cars.

As for the MB I saw two parts - push button and washer (NLA). I saw no stud. Indeed curious what we will get.

Pawel66 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 12, 2021, 17:16:26 »

This is what I got from Mercedes:
A0009881480 KNOB, which is not for 113044
A0009888481 DRUCKKNOPF (PUSH BUTTON), which is what is screwed to the floor I think. I called it "stud" before.

SLS and Mercedes combined, from right to left on the picture:
1. Upper part of snap, 15mm diameter, not DOT (you rivet it together with the bottom part)
2. Bottom part of snap or female part of the snap (it fits on the black Knopf from Mercedes nicely)
3. Black Druckknopf from Mercedes that goes on the floor, acts as the male part of snap I think
4. I believe this is the male part of snap form SLS, it works with a thick rubber washer underneath - not to be used, I think, when you have the black Druckknopf or maybe it goes under the black knob.

I would probably look for the DOT snap with certain colour - I am not sure, by the way, what the colour should be of that snap, which is important.

This rubber washer used in SLS has the MB part number A1119901040 and is NLA. It looks like Mercedes switched from rubber washer + male snap + female part of snap to black Druckknopf + just female/upper part of snap. There is no info when it might happen. But I may be wrong.

I am probably saying what most of you know, but I guess the female/upper part of snap was not a spare part. It came with the carpet. Again: what should the colour be?

mrfatboy · « **Reply #22 on:** February 12, 2021, 21:14:58 »

I will stick with what I have 🤣

17mm cap with DOT branded female receiver. I just have enough to do my new carpets.

Pawel66 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 12, 2021, 21:59:40 »

Absolutely. I will start looking for the snaps.

You could just try if this female part fits on the black Druckknopf. It probably does.

Do you think the colour of the top of the snap was like you have?

mrfatboy · « **Reply #24 on:** February 12, 2021, 23:23:57 »

The cap I have has a chrome like finish. You would have to compare to 49er’s picture above. You could also compare with the snap on the spare tire cover. I don’t know if the would be the same.

Maybe it’s a brushed nickel or stainless finish. The trick is finding the 17mm caps especially in different finishes. It seems that 15mm is the new standard.

Pawel66 · « **Reply #25 on:** February 13, 2021, 00:45:41 »

Yes, on the 49er picture they seem to be nickle matt, but I wonder if it is because of wear.

As for 17mm: I did some search already and already found the male parts with DOT letters even here. The upper part - I saw several standards, including 17mm. One may do some cheating and use DOT marked male part with other, not DOT, but 17mm top part.

49er · « **Reply #26 on:** February 13, 2021, 02:44:35 »

The “button” is polished and this photo was taken of one on the original carpet that was up under the dash which has minimal wear. Picture number 2 is of the new “button” and the 3rd is of the original floor "stud"

John

mrfatboy · « **Reply #27 on:** February 13, 2021, 02:49:32 »

@49er

Can you confirm that the cap/button in your first pic is 17mm in diameter?

49er · « **Reply #28 on:** February 13, 2021, 03:18:10 »

Quote from: mrfatboy on February 13, 2021, 02:49:32

@49er

Can you confirm that the cap/button in your first pic is 17mm in diameter?

I’ll check it for you tomorrow morning. Cold and dark out in the garage now

John

Pawel66 · « **Reply #29 on:** February 13, 2021, 09:52:48 »

John, thank you for the pictures - fantastic help! Do I recall correctly that your 280SL was 1968?

49er · « **Reply #30 on:** February 13, 2021, 16:41:21 »

Hello Pawel, always glad to be of help anyway I can on some of these originally issues that come up. My car was built (according to VIN) in early July 1968 but did not make it here to California until early September 1968 when it became a "1969" model. The car had no headrests so it is essentially a '68 but registered as a '69. Mrfatboy, 17mm it is.

John

Pawel66 · « **Reply #31 on:** February 13, 2021, 17:47:52 »

Thank you!

Your car has the "early" mechanism for snaps, as you showed: rubber washer + male snap part.

As per my theory it this mechanism might have been replaced with the black Druckknopf, I think. Maybe.

Desertpagoda · « **Reply #32 on:** February 25, 2021, 00:17:12 »

R these reusable? I have an old carpet set with them.

mrfatboy · « **Reply #33 on:** February 25, 2021, 01:00:40 »

Not really. However, I would think you could at least salvage the most important part - female receiver part that says “Dot Durable”. Then just get a new 17mm button head and put them back on the carpet.

Pawel66 · « **Reply #34 on:** February 25, 2021, 06:21:32 »

I think you could try to drill out the DOT marked part, like any rivet. 17mm caps you can just buy it is one of the standards.

neelyrc · « **Reply #35 on:** February 26, 2021, 03:33:30 »

Quote from: mrfatboy on February 12, 2021, 23:23:57

The cap I have has a chrome like finish. You would have to compare to 49er’s picture above. You could also compare with the snap on the spare tire cover. I don’t know if the would be the same.

Maybe it’s a brushed nickel or stainless finish..........

Just to finalize this one point. The original 17mm carpet snaps are identical to the 17mm snap on the spare tire cover. It is definitely not brushed nickel or matt finish, it is a chrome like stainless finish.

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