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Resurface of garage floor
« on: May 28, 2020, 07:33:40 »
Dear honourable friends

I’m in a quandary as to what to do with our garage floor.

My Pagoda is still in lock down, so despite being in 90% ownership, it is still tucked up safely in Warwickshire (UK).

So whilst pinning for my car, I thought we would ‘do up’ the garage to welcome her into her new home, and to make it a worthy place for her presence.

My problem is the floor. There is some shaling on the surface in areas. From research undertaken there seems to be a few options
a) self level the surface and paint (garage floor paint)
b) epoxy paint (not sure if surface needs levelling first)
c) floor tiles

Your thoughts and experiences most welcome

Katie
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Re: Resurface of garage floor
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2020, 09:46:22 »
100 percent solids Epoxy but a job best left to professionals.  I had mine done by a couple guys who were moonlighting from a company that did large factory floors.  Clean floor, grind floor, grind open cracks and fill with caulk the coat with primer then finally a top coat.  I am very hard on my floor and I have yet to chip it.

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Re: Resurface of garage floor
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2020, 09:51:42 »
I am about to do the same for my new garage floor.
 Shevgel, was that a two pack epoxy used.  I have used paving paint in the past but not that impressed.
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Re: Resurface of garage floor
« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2020, 10:10:01 »
I too would have it done professionally. There is a LOT of prep that is absolutely required, and also specialized (grinding, acid wash etc). I have a floor I did myself, it hasnt lasted. Where as the professionally applied epoxy at my shop looks perfect still. The floors are about the same age.

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Re: Resurface of garage floor
« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2020, 10:17:18 »
Another vote for epoxy, professionally prepped and applied.  I did my shop 12 years ago an dit continues to hold up great.
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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2020, 10:24:39 »
I am going to go against the grain here

I have Ecotile flooring in my garage (and my old one). Fabulous stuff and even a cack-handed idiot like me can fit it. Ecotile sometimes do deals on "over-runs" on ebay (see below) but I got my current lot from a warehouse that relocated.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Garage-Flooring-24-Square-Meters-x-Heavy-Duty-Interlocking-Floor-Tiles/353086448706?hash=item523597a442:g:oSsAAOSwYoFey3kL

I got my 24m2 in the back of my old Evoque easily enough.
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Re: Resurface of garage floor
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2020, 12:01:24 »
Here is another vote for professional application of epoxy finish.  Grind, clean, prep and application.  7 years and still looks great.

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Re: Resurface of garage floor
« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2020, 14:14:24 »
I don't know about UK prices, but a standard 2-car garage in the USA with a professionally applied epoxy or epoxy like coating costs ~$2,000.00. Depending on location, competition and exact materials and prep, I've seen it as high as $4,000 and as low as $1,200.  I should note that a number of my neighbors, all thinking they could do it themselves with a kit from a home center, tried it and all failed. Nobody has that kind of surface grinder, and nobody did the level of prep that a pro can do. It's not the chemistry, it is all about the base prep.

My garage floor, poured in 1992, wasn't in the best of shape. In a perfect world, and one in which I had planned on staying in the home, I probably would have replaced it. But we moved last year, and we knew we were planning on a move in 2016 when we had it done.

We chose a polyaspartic coating which is a bit higher grade and cost than just epoxy, though it is quite similar. They used a huge surface grinder to prepare the concrete surface, and a smaller grinder to do the edge work. They vacuumed thoroughly with a HEPA filter vacuum to remove all the dust, though a lot was sucked up in the grinding process. They had their own 3-phase generator to power the grinder.

After this thorough grinding and cleaning, they mixed up a batch of fast-setting (20 minutes) polyaspartic filler, and filled in the spider cracks. Larger cracks, they filled with a fine sand just to prevent all the poly aspartic from running down the crack. They trowled all of this. Then they mixed up a slow cure polyaspartic (grey color), and when that was down and still uncured, they sprinkled the latex paint flakes all over; these were a mix of black, white and two shades of gray. When it all cured, they used a blade to scrape off all that didn't stick, and vacuumed up the mess. There may have been a spot or two that needed a touch more, and they mixed up a bit of clear fast cure and touched up. When all was cured, they gave it two coats of clear polyaspartic. The dust is dreadful, the vapors from the polyaspartic also harmful so this was all done with respirators.

Now that I live in NC, my smooth concrete floor will likely stay that way; no salt, snow, ice and stuff that comes in from the unbearable Michigan winters.

Several neighbors had it done here, most for appearance sake. If I ever decided that I need to pretty up the garage, I think I would choose James Lester's route with tiles of some kind. A fraction of the cost.
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Re: Resurface of garage floor
« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2020, 14:16:41 »
Epoxy slurry, not paint, as recommended above.  I've had it for 20 years, and yes, it must be professionally applied with proper prep, equipment and expertise. 

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Re: Resurface of garage floor
« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2020, 14:37:19 »
Hi Katie,

I used Garage Floor paint, but it needs redoing every few years, which is a pain to mask it all up, and move the cars, so I like James`s idea, for the next time.

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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2020, 15:02:28 »
Knowing some people do ALOT of work on their cars and trundle around engines and gearboxes on hoists and stands, use trolley jacks and axle stands etc, I am sure epoxy or simular (I know some folk have gone with pavingslab type tiles) would make more sense than a plastic tile.
But for most of us storing our cars and other gubbins, maybe with a leaky gearbox or back axle, and the occasional bit of work such as jacking the car, they work fantastically for the price. They sweep easily, can be damp  mopped and they can cover a multitude of sins in the subfloor.
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Re: Resurface of garage floor
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2020, 15:14:10 »
For a home garage that is just going to be used for storing the car, I would go with tiles as James suggested. However, if you're going to be doing any work then, although not essential, a good professionally laid floor will make keeping it clean and finding the little screw that you just dropped so much easier!

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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2020, 15:30:04 »
I have the Polyaspartic coating in my garage. Not slippery when wet like the smoother, glossier finishes and has a slight shock absorbing quality. Very hard to chip. More expensive but totally maintenance free and mine came with a 15 year warranty. If you are keeping your garage for the long term, something to consider.
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Re: Resurface of garage floor
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2020, 17:01:15 »
I have done 2 epoxy floors myself. It is not that difficult. you just need to read the directions and take your time.
You will save a couple of thousand dollars!

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« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2020, 19:45:21 »
I just had a home built and had a quote for my garage floor and it came in at $4 per square foot. That was just a garage paint. I decided to do my own and used a 2 part epoxy. I used a muratic acid and water solution for the etching per the instructions of the manufacturer and TSP from Home Depot to clean the surface prior to application. Paint cost was approx $100 per gallon but well worth it. Guaranteed for 20 years and from the looks of it it will last. My 2 cents!
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Re: Resurface of garage floor
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2020, 20:42:42 »
until a few years of hot tires sitting on it.
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Re: Resurface of garage floor
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2020, 22:20:41 »
I have 115 sq meters or 1250 sq ft to do in my new garage so either way it’s going to be an expensive exercise but from all the replies, the epoxy looks like a winner.
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Re: Resurface of garage floor
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2020, 09:20:37 »
With thanks to all you wonderful folk for your advice  😁

It seems epoxy may be the way to go, looking at positive comments on that, but then again, it may be down to price!!

Take care out there!

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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2020, 12:10:27 »
Many suggestions and experiences shared here, with all being specific to different requirements. (Shop-like floor vs. home garage use) One very important point to consider prior to rolling up your sleeves or emptying out your bank account, is the moisture level of your concrete. This will determine which application is best and going to last without flaking or weakening of the surface material and regretting your product selection. Place a plastic garbage bag on your floor and weight it down with some books or wood. Lift it the next day and see if moisture has accumulated on the surface beneath the bag. If so, your surface coating will be susceptible to flaking as your garage is not weeped properly around the perimeter and moisture is getting under your slab and wicking upward. Select the appropriate product for this type of condition.

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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2020, 14:22:05 »
I also prefert Epoxidharz
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« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2020, 23:03:19 »
Very good point Bill.  I will test the floor as suggested which is a new poured 150mm reinforced concrete.
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Re: Resurface of garage floor
« Reply #21 on: May 31, 2020, 00:47:47 »
just to be clean, Garry, an epoxy slurry is not painted on as are epoxy paints or other epoxyXXXXX.  Rather, the control joints are filled, the concrete surface is diamond blasted to a virgin surface and then a slurry of epoxy about 1/16" thick is spread over the surface.  To that, quartz sand, flakes, whatever, is broadcast, by guys walking around on spikes, into the slurry which then settles into it.  Next day, the excess sand, flakes, etc., are swept off and another coat of epoxy slurry is applied.  All told, it's about 1/8" thick.  It is virtually indestructible.  It will suffer impact damage that would damage concrete itself, such as dropping a heavy, sharper object.  But, hot tires, brake fluid, oil, grease, you name it, no harm.  And, it cleans up beautifully.
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Re: Resurface of garage floor
« Reply #22 on: May 31, 2020, 04:15:00 »
John,


You had a hoist in your garage.  if so did you do the floor before installing the lift?


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« Reply #23 on: May 31, 2020, 09:41:08 »
The epoxy resin is applied in 3 steps
We had set up the lift first.
First the reinforced concrete, then the lift, then the screed, then epoxit.
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Re: Resurface of garage floor
« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2020, 11:59:46 »
John,


You had a hoist in your garage.  if so did you do the floor before installing the lift?


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Yes, both times.  But, it was new construction each time.  Not sure it really matters.
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