Author Topic: Exhaust tips square vs round - Part 2 (Read 11977 times)

Jonny B · « **on:** February 15, 2020, 03:10:27 »

Well Pagoda-ites - I think I just re-cornered the market on the square exhaust tips. Palm Beach Classics had a pair for sale, and I could not help myself.

Just got them today.

We had a thread with a similar title but I could not reply to that, locked out for time I believe. So this is the latest update.

mbzse · « **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2020, 10:37:22 »

Quote from: Jonny B

.../...square exhaust tips.../...Just got them today

Nice catch

This is what the exhaust tips looked like on our SL's when they left the Factory.
Today, only the rolled (rounded) end is available

ja17 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 15, 2020, 15:36:09 »

Somehow the square ends look more elegant and match the "architectural lines" of the pagoda.

GM · « **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2020, 16:40:55 »

Here's the previous thread: https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=25070.0

Pawel66 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2020, 22:01:44 »

Quote from: ja17 on February 15, 2020, 15:36:09

Somehow the square ends look more elegant and match the "architectural lines" of the pagoda.

Exactly - it is amazing - such a small detail and makes so much difference...

neelyrc · « **Reply #5 on:** February 16, 2020, 03:27:29 »

Quote from: Jonny B on February 15, 2020, 03:10:27

Well Pagoda-ites - I think I just re-cornered the market on the square exhaust tips. Palm Beach Classics had a pair for sale, and I could not help myself.

Just got them today.

We had a thread with a similar title but I could not reply to that, locked out for time I believe. So this is the latest update.

Jonny B,
Very nice find, I heard on the grapevine that you had the market cornered long before you found this pair! If you find them cluttering up your storage space just let me know. They would look very nice on my “mostly original” 280SL! 😎

TJMart · « **Reply #6 on:** February 16, 2020, 04:12:31 »

It would be nice to see a pic with them installed! Great find!

mazmonza · « **Reply #7 on:** February 16, 2020, 11:22:07 »

I have had several sets of original tips over the 42 years of owning my car, the last set disappeared while at a well known Mercedes dealer in London to have the back end fixed after I was hit in the rear by another pagoda while stationary at a junction in Germany.

Anyway what I was getting to was the hollow square section seamed vulnerable to denting hence the several sets while having the car so I decided to get some made and am very pleased with the outcome, the square section is solid bronze so no fear of denting ( shouldn't need another set )

Maurice

Jonny B · « **Reply #8 on:** February 16, 2020, 15:41:45 »

Here is a snap of the ones on my 250 SL. Had to get close in to be able to see the detail.

Very cool Maurice. Did you take a set of the rounded tips and use those for the transplant.

mazmonza · « **Reply #9 on:** February 16, 2020, 15:54:59 »

Thanks Jonny, yes I used a pair of after market stainless, the dimples are there on the other side. All chromed

GM · « **Reply #10 on:** February 16, 2020, 17:42:42 »

Nice, Maurice.
What are the dimensions of the brass ring you added - width and thickness - to match the originals?

mazmonza · « **Reply #11 on:** February 16, 2020, 19:12:54 »

I WILL GET THE MEASUREMENTS, I KNOW THEY ARE NOT EXACT AS IT WAS DONE FROM MEMORY.
IF YOU WANT IT EXACT YOU WILL HAVE TO SPEAK TO JONNY.

hauser · « **Reply #12 on:** March 09, 2020, 16:06:02 »

I found a machine shop willing to make a custom tips for me but I need the tip dimensions. Any help would be great!

Thanks!!

Jonny B · « **Reply #13 on:** March 13, 2020, 16:31:46 »

NOTE - SEE UPDATED DIAGRAM posted on 15 March 2020 to give more exact dimensions.

The inner/diameter of the tube and length are the same as a current MB tip.

The square edge is 4 mm long at the outside gently tapering to 3 mm at where it meets the outer diameter of the tube. I am not able to get a read of the height of the square edge. I will bring this along to our Pagodas and Beer event on the 21st to have a cross check on the dimensions.

Pawel66 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 13, 2020, 22:12:33 »

Quote from: hauser on March 09, 2020, 16:06:02

I found a machine shop willing to make a custom tips for me but I need the tip dimensions. Any help would be great!

Thanks!!

I would buy a couple, if the price is known and I can afford it...
+shipment +tax +duty

hauser · « **Reply #15 on:** March 14, 2020, 04:06:55 »

Just got two new sacrificial tips from the classic center. I'll stop by Monday and see what he can do.

Pawel66 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 14, 2020, 08:25:32 »

ok, so it works - you give the tips, he flattens the rims?

hauser · « **Reply #17 on:** March 14, 2020, 12:04:13 »

I have no idea what he would want to do or how he would want to do it.

Pawel66 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 14, 2020, 12:30:09 »

ok, I see

. Thank you.

Jonny B · « **Reply #19 on:** March 15, 2020, 19:36:37 »

UPDATE - I was able to use a digital caliper to get a better take on the dimensions.

I have posted the update photo.

Also I checked a couple of the other square tips (the ones on the car) and noticed that they did not have the very slight angle from the outside of the square lip to where it meets the outer overall tube. That tells me there were some slight manufacturing variations.

hauser · « **Reply #20 on:** March 18, 2020, 15:55:47 »

Update

Everything is at the machine shop. Hopefully He will get it done sometime soon.

66andBlue · « **Reply #21 on:** April 19, 2020, 04:36:07 »

Still at the shop? Any news or updates?

hauser · « **Reply #22 on:** April 19, 2020, 05:08:08 »

I haven't been there lately nor has he called me. I will make a point of seeing him this Monday and gt an update.

Iconic · « **Reply #23 on:** April 20, 2020, 14:11:56 »

Somehow these appear to be original.
Picture #165 on a Bring a Trailer sale : https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1971-mercedes-benz-280sl-37/

Joe (Ja17) caught it and commented in the thread.

hauser · « **Reply #24 on:** April 20, 2020, 15:41:36 »

I just got back from Blackert Machine and he was not there. None of my phone calls have been returned. I do have another place in mind and will report back.

RobSirg · « **Reply #25 on:** April 23, 2020, 18:16:59 »

I noticed my 250SL has square edge chrome exhaust tips which happens to be the least original car of my 3 Pagoda's so I always assumed they were after-market.
How do I know if they are genuine or not? Is there someone out there selling after-market square edged tips, or do we assume them to be genuine when seen on a car?

Cheers

Garry · « **Reply #26 on:** April 23, 2020, 22:49:56 »

Your on a winner Rob. Probably original. If only i could find some square ones...

RobSirg · « **Reply #27 on:** April 24, 2020, 02:25:24 »

That car occasionally surprises me! Originally sent to Scotland, then privately exported to the USA - and I bought it off a dealer in Connecticut who was advertising it on a UK site hoping to find someone interested in a RHD.
Least original of my cars but is the only Pagoda I own with the original, small, Floor mat* on the RHS of the Trunk, and now the only one with original exhaust tips. Go figure.

(*I spent days restoring that small floor mat to put in my Burgundy 280SL - really pleased how it finished, only to find out it doesn't fit in the 280SL because they have different jacks

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hauser · « **Reply #28 on:** April 27, 2020, 17:17:12 »

Here's the latest on the square tip project.

Atazman · « **Reply #29 on:** April 28, 2020, 03:24:15 »

Oh boy! Look what my poor orphan has.

I had my exhaust system installed by Midas back in 1989. Both exhaust tips were replaced; the invoice shows both having the same part number. However, one is round and the other square. Just now noticed they are different.

Iconic · « **Reply #30 on:** April 28, 2020, 13:57:00 »

That is awesome, so cool you got one of each !!
Some day in the, not to distant, future .....

We might all have the square ended exhaust tips on our cars.
Mark

Jonny B · « **Reply #31 on:** April 28, 2020, 15:07:00 »

Most amazing about the round/square combination! There must have been that one lonely square edge tip on the shelf somewhere. And in the original package no doubt, so probably not easily noticed from the outside.

Very cool....

hauser · « **Reply #32 on:** May 11, 2020, 05:11:39 »

Here are the latest photos.

Garry · « **Reply #33 on:** May 11, 2020, 09:55:14 »

Nice, where do i apply.😁😀

Iconic · « **Reply #34 on:** May 11, 2020, 14:50:12 »

hauser,
Those are looking GREAT !!
I'd like to get in line if you decide to sell some.
Take care,
Mark

stickandrudderman · « **Reply #35 on:** May 11, 2020, 19:01:49 »

I could easily fabricate these but there would be so much labour time involved that they woiuld have to be 4 x the cost of the round tips. Is it worth it?

Pawel66 · « **Reply #36 on:** May 11, 2020, 20:56:11 »

And they are to look "brushed" or mat on the tips? Or you shall chrome them?

hauser · « **Reply #37 on:** May 12, 2020, 05:03:43 »

I have an appointment for chrome in July so it will be done at that time along with some other items.

Yes, it makes no sense to do what I've done but more a challenge. The tips were purchased from Timevalve for $85.00 . The machine shop charge was another $250.00 for the first one. Perhaps the next might be less.

I'm not so sure what happened to the chrome surface during the process.

Desertpagoda · « **Reply #38 on:** May 16, 2020, 23:01:08 »

The old Porsche 911s used that tip. Those boys stress about them too!

Garry · « **Reply #39 on:** May 16, 2020, 23:27:56 »

I indicated to Fernando, hauser, that i would love to get a set of the square tipped exhausts if the price was reasonable. He has continued to pursue the possibility of having some more made by his fabricator.

I put this out there as a feeler as to the amount of interest from our members would there be in obtaining a set. Fernando does not know the cost but it could be around $150+or - for a set depending on the number making it higher or lower.

Is there any interest from the Members in following this up?

Garry

Aaron h · « **Reply #40 on:** May 17, 2020, 01:30:43 »

I'm assuming the other models of the era also had the square tipped exhaust tips? In particular, did the 6.3 originally have these? If so this might increase the order number and lower the cost since there are so many other people that love to restore to original be it a W110 or a W100!

doitwright · « **Reply #41 on:** May 17, 2020, 03:12:35 »

For some reason I picked up a single exhaust tip from a sedan which had the square tip. The length was shorter than a W113 and the diameter was larger but it has the square tip.

I would be interested if they can be produced in the $150/set range for the W113.

Jonny B · « **Reply #42 on:** May 17, 2020, 14:04:05 »

I also found a single square tip (used) some years ago, it had, as Frank has stated, a slightly larger diameter. I gave it to a friend of mine who handles a number of other cars of the era. He indicated it was for a sedan - but I can't say if it was for a 6.3.

Iconic · « **Reply #43 on:** May 17, 2020, 15:19:58 »

Quote from: Garry on May 16, 2020, 23:27:56

Is there any interest from the Members in following this up?
Garry

Garry,
I'm in for ~~$150. And, not in for $400.

Take care,
Mark

RAY · « **Reply #44 on:** May 17, 2020, 16:09:47 »

Hi Gary,
I would be interested in a pair for around $ 150. I liked the square tip look since i saw them on Mazmonza's ( Maurice's ) car and have been hoping a deal like this might come up since the topic started.

Stay safe out there.

Ray

Pawel66 · « **Reply #45 on:** May 17, 2020, 16:25:13 »

Me too, $150 for a pair.
Will try to survive shipment.

jeblack123 · « **Reply #46 on:** May 18, 2020, 20:28:23 »

Put me down for a pair.

James (Eddie) Black

Jagbct42 · « **Reply #47 on:** May 24, 2020, 00:12:51 »

I’d take a pair for $150, also.

Chris Long · « **Reply #48 on:** May 24, 2020, 00:35:30 »

I’d be in at $150

mtoomey · « **Reply #49 on:** May 27, 2020, 01:09:36 »

I’m in at $150 thank you!

hauser · « **Reply #50 on:** May 27, 2020, 17:54:42 »

I have some bad news. The machinist has started restoring a truck and is taking up most of his time. I'll let everyone know when the time comes. I will also try to find another shop in the meantime.

Thanks!

mdsalemi · « **Reply #51 on:** May 27, 2020, 19:58:59 »

Do any of our detail experts know if:

1. All W113 came with square edge tips?
2. If not, when did the production change?
3. I've seen OEM in boxes with the rounded edges.

So, when is the square edge called for in terms of accuracy?

ja17 · « **Reply #52 on:** May 27, 2020, 20:54:31 »

When I started working on Pagodas they were still in production (280 SLs). I remember seeing the original exhausts with the "square tips". I cannot say for certain that all years of production used them? The round version became the standard replacement from Mercedes some years later.

doitwright · « **Reply #53 on:** July 09, 2020, 20:39:40 »

With all this interest on square vs round edge exhaust tips I was wondering if anyone could identify what vehicle this is from. I thought it might be vintage Mercedes or Porsche but have not found any evidence. Definitely not W113 - too large ID. The ID is 55 MM (<2-3/16") and it is 144 MM long (<5-11/16")

ja17 · « **Reply #54 on:** July 09, 2020, 22:20:35 »

M100 Mercedes 600 possibly and the correct era also.

Jonny B · « **Reply #55 on:** July 10, 2020, 13:50:48 »

I found something similar a few years back. The diameter was too large for the Pagoda. I gave it to a friend of mine who said it would work for a 6.3 sedan of the era.

hauser · « **Reply #56 on:** December 10, 2020, 06:39:00 »

My project is now complete. It was fun project with the help of Johnny B.

Pawel66 · « **Reply #57 on:** December 10, 2020, 08:36:18 »

They look terrific!

Any chance to get them?

sandcrab59 · « **Reply #58 on:** December 10, 2020, 21:14:29 »

Hauser:
Jonny B once informed me that his grandfather spelled his name without the H.
So Jon kept it the same.
So keep that in mind, It is Jonny not Johnny.
Tom M

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