Author Topic: RHD 1967 250SL 5 speed restoration. (Read 10469 times)

stickandrudderman · « **on:** January 27, 2019, 23:54:36 »

Some of you will recall that a few years ago I had a shell 3D scanned and then reverse engineered some jig brackets from it. I wouldn’t be at al surprised if I am the only person in the world with these brackets that are designed to bolt to a universal jig bench.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d7vnjzmip0fgy1j/Video%2020-12-2018%2C%2012%2011%2039.mp4?dl=0
All the pictures so far can be found here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lajibtvekj4kb5o/AAAxkrnVhMKqnsNK-cuJPou3a?dl=0

Chris_ATL · « **Reply #1 on:** January 28, 2019, 17:49:54 »

That's almost as scary as watching the "day of the Triffids"

That jig is amazing

johnk · « **Reply #2 on:** January 29, 2019, 04:00:27 »

whats left of the original car to weld to?

JamesL · « **Reply #3 on:** January 29, 2019, 10:44:10 »

The heater core, obviously

Shvegel · « **Reply #4 on:** January 30, 2019, 02:20:09 »

That is so much worse than mine it is scary. That makes the "Submarine of Neckar" look restorable. My bodyman also made fixtures for his Celette bench after finding out how much Celette wanted for them. Ouch.

stickandrudderman · « **Reply #5 on:** September 16, 2019, 15:55:15 »

It's been a while but it's starting to take shape!

johnk · « **Reply #6 on:** September 16, 2019, 18:25:32 »

Looks great. More pics please!

Benz Dr. · « **Reply #7 on:** September 16, 2019, 22:48:34 »

How much do you think it will take to do a job like that?

Garry · « **Reply #8 on:** September 16, 2019, 23:54:03 »

Colin,

I think i have all the CAD drawings for the jig. Maybe i can start a business.

Garry

stickandrudderman · « **Reply #9 on:** September 17, 2019, 10:37:56 »

Quote from: Garry on September 16, 2019, 23:54:03

Colin,

I think i have all the CAD drawings for the jig. Maybe i can start a business.

Garry

You tell me this after I went to all the trouble of having drawings done and the jig brackets made?

stickandrudderman · « **Reply #10 on:** September 17, 2019, 10:40:03 »

Quote from: Benz Dr. on September 16, 2019, 22:48:34

How much do you think it will take to do a job like that?

In hours or money?

Either way this owner is just happy to have the car rebuilt.

Garry · « **Reply #11 on:** September 17, 2019, 12:03:28 »

You have forgotten, Aquila Engineering did the drawings!!!!!!!

stickandrudderman · « **Reply #12 on:** September 17, 2019, 13:19:23 »

Oh yeh!

stickandrudderman · « **Reply #13 on:** October 12, 2019, 15:17:20 »

So, after 10 months she's off the jig and on to the spit for final work before she goes off to be acid dipped (again) and electroprimed.
A couple of taster pictures here but plenty more at this link:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wqk7515rg19cv5i/AACucDQghyYile4kJriz_GxWa?dl=0

johnk · « **Reply #14 on:** October 12, 2019, 20:41:42 »

simply amazing Colin!

Benz Dr. · « **Reply #15 on:** October 12, 2019, 21:35:41 »

Quote from: stickandrudderman on September 17, 2019, 10:40:03

In hours or money?

Either way this owner is just happy to have the car rebuilt.

I suppose each are required so might as well go with both. It might help someone to decide if a project like this makes sense.

How did you make out with the engine you were trying to sort out?

stickandrudderman · « **Reply #16 on:** October 12, 2019, 23:13:59 »

In strict monetary terms a project like this can never make sense but thankfully, even if rarely, it’s not always about the money.

What engine?

Benz Dr. · « **Reply #17 on:** October 13, 2019, 03:35:18 »

Quote from: stickandrudderman on October 12, 2019, 23:13:59

In strict monetary terms a project like this can never make sense but thankfully, even if rarely, it’s not always about the money.

What engine?

230SL?

stickandrudderman · « **Reply #18 on:** October 13, 2019, 08:18:59 »

I think you’re referring to an engine I was having trouble with that kept smoking, in which case I ended up buying a new cylinder head from MB.

swood1 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 17, 2019, 08:34:40 »

Wow and I thought my body was bad :O

PeterPortugal · « **Reply #20 on:** October 18, 2019, 10:50:11 »

Colin,

Can that jig of yours accommodate a 220SEB Cabrio? My front end is ...."not as per specification"

Cheers

Peter

jeffc280sl · « **Reply #21 on:** October 18, 2019, 14:25:12 »

Beautiful work. an amazing project. Even if the work is not cost effective the fact that restoration at this level is even contemplated is an indicator that our cars are more valuable and appreciated as each year passes. thank you for sharing this project.

johnk · « **Reply #22 on:** October 18, 2019, 16:27:36 »

Colin,
Dare I ask what original sheet metal remains? Dash, transmission tunnel, firewall and partial cross braces?

This has to be the most extensive pagoda restoration ever, and the experience it requires to pull of such a feat boggles my mind!

John

stickandrudderman · « **Reply #23 on:** October 19, 2019, 17:19:48 »

Quote from: PeterPortugal on October 18, 2019, 10:50:11

Colin,

Can that jig of yours accommodate a 220SEB Cabrio? My front end is ...."not as per specification"

Cheers

Peter

Sorry, no. It’s specifically for 113.

stickandrudderman · « **Reply #24 on:** October 19, 2019, 17:26:01 »

Quote from: johnk on October 18, 2019, 16:27:36

Colin,
Dare I ask what original sheet metal remains? Dash, transmission tunnel, firewall and partial cross braces?

This has to be the most extensive pagoda restoration ever, and the experience it requires to pull of such a feat boggles my mind!

John

Front chassis rails, front bulkhead, dash, tunnel, rear cross member, rear bulkhead and soft top stowage bin, rear shock towers and aluminium panels. Oh, and the glove box lid and air intake flap!

I have been repairing these cars for 40 years and for the first 35 years I wouldn’t have contemplated it!
For clarity I am not the panel beater but I am the one who knows what the panel beater needs to do so that it’s right.

johnk · « **Reply #25 on:** October 19, 2019, 22:52:52 »

Amazing talent to do that job. If I was doing it I would get it all together then stand back and realize the car is setting crooked or something!

Freitas · « **Reply #26 on:** October 22, 2019, 17:28:00 »

Hi guys,

Writing you guys from sunny Portugal, where I own a restoration shop.

Long story short, I am looking for celette fixtures to restore a W113 250SL. To help matters it also had a crash!

So, after reading this post I though maybe I on to something here.

Maybe, Garry or Colin could please let me know how to get my hand on such kit? If you have any can, I rent it from you guys? Or if you have the blueprints... anything so I could move forwards with this.

For me, there isn’t any other way of restoring these cars. So I am really adamant on using our bench to straighten the chassis and be sure every part is where it should be!

As a side note, I don’t get it how Celette doesn’t rent these anymore. It’s a piece of cake getting one for a 911, even for a Golf Mk1 we had recently they were available... With the amount of Pagodas being restored it should be readily available...

Can anyone please help me?

Thanks,

F

Benz Dr. · « **Reply #27 on:** October 22, 2019, 21:22:35 »

Quote from: stickandrudderman on October 19, 2019, 17:26:01

Front chassis rails, front bulkhead, dash, tunnel, rear cross member, rear bulkhead and soft top stowage bin, rear shock towers and aluminium panels. Oh, and the glove box lid and air intake flap!

I have been repairing these cars for 40 years and for the first 35 years I wouldn’t have contemplated it!
For clarity I am not the panel beater but I am the one who knows what the panel beater needs to do so that it’s right.

The only place I know who can do work like this the guy we visited near Lake Eire. Not for the faint of heart.

pj · « **Reply #28 on:** October 23, 2019, 10:54:21 »

Here's a photo of our car on the measuring machine at the coach builder, whose shop is near Lake Erie. I think this is the place Dan is referring to. Sorry to say that most of my photos were taken with a previous generation mobile phone, and are poorly focussed.

You can see the "rulers" below and beside the car's body. There's also lasers underneath to ensure the lines are straight.

johnk · « **Reply #29 on:** October 24, 2019, 02:26:36 »

What city is this coach builder in around Lake Erie?

Benz Dr. · « **Reply #30 on:** October 24, 2019, 04:49:23 »

It's near a really small village called Erieau on the north shore of lake Erie about a half hour south of Chatham Ontario. We ended the Meeting of the Clans event at the Bayside Brewery in Erieau where we had a late lunch.

Peter van Es · « **Reply #31 on:** October 24, 2019, 10:12:38 »

Do try these companies who may rent out a fixtures kit for the W113 on Celette

https://www.richtsatzverleih-eckert.com

https://www.n2h-stommel.gmbh according to some have one available too

Good luck!

Freitas · « **Reply #32 on:** October 24, 2019, 18:38:06 »

Thank you Peter!

I will contact them, and let you know if I had any luck.

Freitas · « **Reply #33 on:** November 14, 2019, 10:02:29 »

Hi guys,

Just to let you all know, I had no luck in finding the Celette kit...

I’ll keep on searching.

Best,

stickandrudderman · « **Reply #34 on:** December 12, 2019, 15:07:43 »

So back from the electro-plating process and time to start the long haul back to being a car again!

JamesL · « **Reply #35 on:** December 12, 2019, 15:17:28 »

You did well to get that under cover before the rain started

stickandrudderman · « **Reply #36 on:** January 20, 2020, 10:06:28 »

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wqk7515rg19cv5i/AACucDQghyYile4kJriz_GxWa?dl=0

Exactly one year in to the rebuild!

Some more progress pictures added.

johnk · « **Reply #37 on:** January 21, 2020, 17:23:12 »

stick
Your work is absolutely amazing! I see that you are re-leading the seams. Are you metal finishing everything?

john

stickandrudderman · « **Reply #38 on:** January 22, 2020, 13:15:42 »

Yes John, but we will use some very small amounts of filler in final stages.
Thanks for the compliment.

jeffc280sl · « **Reply #39 on:** January 23, 2020, 01:54:00 »

You and your team have serious skills and patience. Beautiful and impressive work!

stickandrudderman · « **Reply #40 on:** August 06, 2020, 20:42:04 »

Slowly, slowly.....
A little teaser for you!

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