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1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« on: September 10, 2018, 19:14:45 »
Hello All,
I have finally gotten around to repainting my chipped up full dish (280 SL style) hubcaps.
I bought the plastic center stencil a few months back from Authentic Classics in NY- $45 bucks.

We got to fit the stencil on the hub cap and its too small in diameter by about 1/4 inch so the outside ring doesn't cover the outside ring of the chrome embossed star in the center.
I am waiting for a response from Authentic but I thought I would post here. Odd thing.

Are there 2 sizes of center hub cap stars? Early 2 pc and later one piece ???

It's interesting to find that my small star stencil fits the chrome star on the trunk lid though. Can you purchase a stencil for the trunk star also ?   

Murphy's Law strikes again.

best,
jz
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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2018, 19:46:22 »
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.../...Are there 2 sizes of center hub cap stars? Early 2 pc and later one piece ?.../...
Yes, certainly, it is so. For the cars of the sixties. Earlier there were even more sizes for various models of M-B cars.
/Hans S

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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2018, 21:11:33 »
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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2018, 21:35:35 »
Yes Tyler, I got the beige colored stencil for 190/230/250 SL's.
The 280 SL stencil is shown as black plastic.

Idiot me didn't differentiate. I stupidly told them 1967 250 SL forgetting I had later hub caps.

Mystery solved and I am the fool.

Thanks, Tyler.

jz
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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2018, 22:13:42 »
The Pagoda Group has several sets of stencils available for Full Members.  If Authentic Classics done come through with an exchange, then you should put your name down on the list.  Search and you will find where the list is at the moment...
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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2018, 22:49:07 »
Keep in mind that the stencils produce a slightly feathered edge. You can also use electrical tape and a sharp exacto knife for a crisp line if thats what you desire.
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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2018, 21:57:08 »
Thanks gentlemen.
I ordered the later, larger stencil from Authentic Classic and will return the smaller one for a credit.

Tyler, so the stencil is not the perfect solution? Why is there a waiting line for stencil use then ? How was it done at the factory?

Anyway, I will give the stencil a shot and see how it looks. I will let you know.

Plus upon completion my late model stencil is available for all to use.

jz
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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2018, 03:39:59 »
Yes the stencil is how the factory did it. Produces a slight (correct) feathered edge. But it is hard to get uniform. Others prefer the clean sharp edge line. Its a personal preference choice.
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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2018, 22:55:04 »
I would be happy to donate a silicone rubber and/or plastic type stencil to the club to help reduce the waiting time.
Just let me know where to send it.

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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2018, 16:22:32 »
I have the current north american stencil and will be done with it in a few weeks. I will then forward to the next member on the waiting list.

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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2018, 16:36:29 »
Where is the European stencil?

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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2018, 18:22:25 »
Its in my shed. No one seemed to want it. If anybody does let me know.

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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2018, 18:55:06 »
We are prepping to paint the hubcaps now.
Got the correct stencil from Authentic Classics.
When we place it over the hubcap center it does not fit flush all over. The exterior circle fits snug but in the center the stencil sits maybe 1/4 inch above the center and I have to apply pressure and  push down so that the center of the stencil touches the center star. Is this correct? If so how do I hold down the stencil so it abuts everywhere while painting?
Just pushing down by hand while painting is shaky. I fear the stencil will move.

Has anyone experienced this?
Is the stencil mis-formed?
thanks,

jz 
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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2018, 19:33:08 »
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.../...the stencil sits maybe 1/4 inch above the center and I have to apply pressure and  push down so that the center of the stencil touches the center star. Is this correct?
Mount a pin upright in the center of the template, with a weight on top which holds template down
/Hans S

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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2018, 21:05:49 »
Got it thank you Hans.

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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2018, 01:30:48 »
I think I used a heat gun to massage the plastic stencel to fit better. Attempt at your own risk though.
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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2018, 00:35:54 »
I tried to use the rigid one with no luck.
Then I used the soft rubber (silicone ???) two piece for the late wheel covers and all was great.
I recommend using the soft rubber stencils.
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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2018, 22:45:40 »
No luck gentlemen we couldn't get the rigid plastic stencil to work, so we taped the hubcaps.
A bit of work but they turned out great.

jz   
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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2018, 21:41:38 »
Its in my shed. No one seemed to want it. If anybody does let me know.

Mine has “gone missing”.
I’d like to nominate myself as custodian of the European stencil.

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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2018, 13:35:08 »
Any seconders?

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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2018, 16:24:56 »
Colin.


we will note you are the custodian for Europe..


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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2018, 23:23:45 »
Thank you Garry,
Scott, please send the stencil to me.
Colin.

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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2018, 08:08:32 »
Sure, I wouldn't mind getting mine done whilst Ive go the stencil even though Im a way off getting the car painted. I'll talk to my painter and see if he is up for doing the hubcaps now. If he is I'll send you the full size one first and then the smaller one once mine are done.

If not I'll send you them both now. Be annoying to need it and it be on loan to someone...

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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2018, 11:03:24 »
Sure, get yours done and then send them.
Does the club stencil have the outer ring piece too? (no jokes!..........)

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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2019, 12:41:21 »
For the record,
I am not as yet the custodian of these.

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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2019, 10:52:27 »
Another "For the record".
I do not have the stencils but I have learned that they were in any case after-market silicone ones whereas I thought they were the original Mercedes tools.
In the light of this and the fact that I have not received them I should no longer be considered custodian of these tools.
If an when I manage to find an original MB set again I will make them available for hire to group members.


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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #26 on: January 24, 2019, 22:05:49 »
How do I get a position on the waiting list for the dog dish stencil?
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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2019, 18:14:43 »
How do I get a position on the waiting list for the dog dish stencil?

Tom,
Please read this string:
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=27024.msg205182#msg205182
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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2019, 02:25:05 »
I still have the stencil but should be done within a month. When I painted mine in November the new paint highlighted how the chrome needed refinishing. I looked at numerous options starting with polishing seeing the sticker shock of what new hub caps run. After a lot of research I just ordered new chrome caps from Classic center supposedly on a January sale for a little over $1,300. That wasn't in my budget. Anyways I shoudl be doen with the stencil as soon as we get a 40 degree day to paint. I am PM'ing the next in line to see if they still need the stencil.
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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2019, 03:18:23 »
Hi Garry,
How do I get access to the stencils for my 230SL? I regularly visit Sydney.
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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2019, 07:47:25 »
Paul,


The last time i think it was used was by a member in Sydney, Philip, known on forum as PIP1947. I have not seen a request since.


I have sent him an email asking where it went to from him.  When i hear i will let you know. 


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Re: 1967 250 SL - hub cap paint stencil
« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2019, 13:33:16 »
Just buy the plastic one. Not expensive and works great.
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