Pagoda SL Group
W113 Pagoda SL Group => Items for Sale => Topic started by: perry113 on December 25, 2022, 18:59:11
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I have a restored early 230SL manifold header set.
These are ready to go. Totally glassbeaded, painted (coated) in silver. For early 1963 to 1965 230SL roadster.
I am not sure if finish is paint or some kind of coating. They as nice as you would find I imagine and will save you many hours of work to get them to this bolt on level.
Reference Spare Parts Listing
127 140 03 14 (1 thru 3 outlet) 127 140 08 14
127 140 04 14 (4 thru 6 outlet) 127 140 07 14
I am asking $750.00 + shipping or best offer!
Please email me with any questions.
peterperry911113@gmail.com
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More pictures of the manifolds
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continuation of photos of the manifolds
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More picture of the manifolds
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Are they painted? Is that correct for a W113 in terms of being judged at a show? Mine are all rusty so I’m tempted.
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They are either painted or coated.
I cannot confirm as I did not restore them in house. I acquired them this way.
They very nice.
Please feel free to email or call me
518-210-1869
Peter
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Are they painted? Is that correct for a W113 in terms of being judged at a show? Mine are all rusty so I’m tempted.
I don't know about the painting. As a part, these are only correct up to a specific serial number 230SL, when they changed to the manifold style. You're a full member, you'll find it in the Tech Manual where it lists changes made to the cars at specific serial numbers.
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..., you'll find it in the Tech Manual where it lists changes made to the cars at specific serial numbers.
I assumed we had this in the Tech Manual, but I can't find it.
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I believe the list of all the changes are in Pagoda Notes.
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Here it is from Pagoda Notes.
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What are the actual part numbers of these manifolds? After sandblasting and painting the last number circled here is difficult to read. In any case, the spare parts list Edition B for the 230SL doesn't show a number ...142 06 0? Should be "03" or "04".
Was this piece welded on later?
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Reference Spare Parts Listing
127 140 03 14 (1 thru 3 outlet) 127 140 08 14
127 140 04 14 (4 thru 6 outlet) 127 140 07 14
Peter,
I'm trying to confirm fitment. I can see in the pictures that your manifold part numbers start with 127 142 xx xx. Your list of part numbers doesn't include that.
In my 230SL spare parts listing book (book 10126, edition C), I only see manifolds listed, not these older pipe headers. For example, I see:
127 140 03 14, Exhaust Manifold cylinders 1-3 up to engine 10-011153 (RHD), then replaced by 129 142 00 02.
127 140 03 14, Exhaust Manifold cylinders 1-3 up to engine 12-003213 (RHD), then replaced by 129 142 00 02.
127 140 04 14, Exhaust Manifold cylinders 4-6 up to engine 10-011153 (RHD), then replaced by 129 142 02 02.
127 140 04 14, Exhaust Manifold cylinders 4-6 up to engine 12-003213 (RHD), then replaced by 129 142 02 02.
127 140 08 14, Exhaust Manifold cylinders 1-3 up to engine 20-011153 (LHD), then replaced by 129 142 01 02.
127 140 08 14, Exhaust Manifold cylinders 1-3 up to engine 22-003213 (LHD), then replaced by 129 142 01 02.
127 140 07 14, Exhaust Manifold cylinders 4-6 up to engine 20-011153 (LHD), then replaced by 129 142 03 02.
127 140 07 14, Exhaust Manifold cylinders 4-6 up to engine 22-003213 (LHD), then replaced by 129 142 03 02.
I'm not sure why my 230SL book would omit the 127 142 xx xx header pipes. Can you (or anyone?) validate these part numbers shown in the pictures?
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/mercedes-w113-230sl-kruemmer/2307124473-223-1137
This listing shows 127 142 07 05 and 127 142 06 05, but just because it is in a listing does not prove the application.
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Was this piece welded on later?
He doesn't have any information on the restoration. He received the parts as-is.
Alfred, you have an older edition parts book. Does it have the pipe header parts listed? We might need someone with Edition A.
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I was intrigued by the photos as these headers look different than what I am used to seeing - specifically, they look part cast / perhaps even part iron - the "welded on" pieces Alfred is referring to. I googled images of 230 SL headers and, lo and behold, they all look like the ones in this thread. So that seems to be how they came out of the factory.
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The header pipes are only part of the system. You also need the throttle linkages that are used with these pipes. Totally different set up than the cast manifolds.
I know because I found out when I did mine and if you have all of the parts it goes well enough. Headers are louder and add some extra torque to the power band.
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Alfred, you have an older edition parts book. Does it have the pipe header parts listed? We might need someone with Edition A.
Rodd, here is a scan of the p/n in Edition B. I also have edition A and the numbers are the same.
The engine was also installed in the 220SE, but I don't have a SPL for this model to check whether the p/n for the exhaust manifold is different. Perhaps someone here knows more.
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That amazes me that Edition A would not have part numbers for header pipes.
I have actually contacted Classic Center USA and their reply was the same manifold part numbers you show and I listed. I tried to explain in a different way and we'll see what their next reply is. It should not be that hard to get part numbers for a standard factory installed part that had a 2 year run.
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That amazes me that Edition A would not have part numbers for header pipes.
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Now you amaze me! I wrote that the part numbers in Edition A are the same! Looks like you need a picture to believe it.
You should ask the CC where the part number that Perry shows in the photo of his parts was installed. Isn't that what you want to know?
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Yes...,
What you have collected here as collaborative knowledge is also what I am aware about this.
There are only (one set of) early long and welded exhaust headers,
and the late set, which is cast and short. At least for the 230 SL-
I "think" the M130 engine had own exhaust headers with 130 parts numbers.
Alfred, don't worry if the cast number on your exhaust headers does not match the parts numbers in the lists.
This is very often the case with several MB parts...;
there are very often "internal" cast (or stamped) numbers on the part that do not match the entries in the parts lists.
Best,
Achim
(early exhaust header collector)
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I wrote that the part numbers in Edition A are the same! Looks like you need a picture to believe it.
Alfred, I believe you that the numbers are the same in Edition A, which means to me they are for the same part (cast manifold). To me, this means the part numbers for the welded header pipes are not documented in these books. That is what amazes me. Or, am I misunderstanding something?
What you have collected here as collaborative knowledge is also what I am aware about this. There are only (one set of) early long and welded exhaust headers, and the late set, which is cast and short. At least for the 230 SL ...
(early exhaust header collector)
Achim, Maybe I am having a terminology issue here. The books always say "Manifold" which to me means the short cast manifold used from late 1965 onward. The book never says "Header" or any other term indicating the long welded header pipes. How can these parts not be listed, even in early Edition A? If you have welded header pipes at hand (or in storage), perhaps you could share with us part numbers that appear on them?
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Alfred, I believe you that the numbers are the same in Edition A, which means to me they are for the same part (cast manifold). To me, this means the part numbers for the welded header pipes are not documented in these books. That is what amazes me. Or, am I misunderstanding something?
Achim, Maybe I am having a terminology issue here. The books always say "Manifold" which to me means the short cast manifold used from late 1965 onward. The book never says "Header" or any other term indicating the long welded header pipes. How can these parts not be listed, even in early Edition A? If you have welded header pipes at hand (or in storage), perhaps you could share with us part numbers that appear on them?
Rodd, indeed you misunderstood something.
Problems like this arise when people like to call items by names that they have heard from others but which may have different meanings in different regions or countries. So, what you call "header" could mean to someone in Scotland a football (soccer ball for you) propelled with the head, or perhaps to someone in an English pub meaning the foam layer on his ale. ;D
That is why I am encouraging to use always the names Mercedes uses in spare parts lists (SPL) for a particular item. You do have the Edition C of the 230SL SPL and if you look closely you'll see that the "exhaust pipes" are in Group 49 and are different from the "manifolds".
Of course those exhaust pipes are also listed in Edition A (113 490 02 19) - pix attached - and that part number has not changed during the 230SL production run up to VIN 013865 when it changed to 113 490 09 20 (for LHD cars)!
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I say "header pipes" because they look like individual pipes of various length welded together, whereas the manifold is cast as one piece.
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That is why you could not find the number in your Edition C either!
I know, it is tough to get rid of old habits or phrases. ;)
Here are photos of the manifolds in my 1964 230SL. They don't look like cast in one piece but welded.
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Difficult to see past the intake manifold, but yes, those are what I'm calling header pipes. Same as what is for sale in this thread.
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They are early 230SL
My 1965 230SL chassis # ending in 12208 has them and they are identical.
My second 230SL 1966 chassis # ending in 13877 does not have these. I believe it was 10 or 11 chassis numbers earlier were the last to have the early header arrangement.
I bought them for my 1966 but after finding out that much of the throttle linkage had to be replaced for the earlier arrangement many years later I decided to part with them.
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I tend to agree with Achim's statement "there are often "internal" cast or (stamped numbers on the part that do not match the entries in the parts list".
I have a spare front manifold with number 127 142 0505 and a spare rear manifold with number 127 142 0708 (or 06). The chassis number of the car from which the parts originated is not known as I have an "Austauschmotor".
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From chassis number 13865 and forward the later non header style was used according to Laurence Meredith's "Original Mercedes SL" restorer's guide W113.
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Yes, part casting numbers most often are not the same as the MB part numbers.
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I still have the headers.
Open to offers!
peterperry911113@gmail.com