Pagoda SL Group
W113 Pagoda SL Group => Announcements => Topic started by: Jonny B on September 12, 2022, 16:53:02
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The next issue of Pagoda World, No 31 was put in the mail today.
The publishing company put some new steps in place after the PW 30 difficulties.
Keep an eye out!
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The heads-up is appreciated and is also a way for you to trend mailing issues (if any)
merci jb
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Mine arrived today. Great issue! Can't wait to get mine out of storage, summer here being too hot w/out A/C.
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Issue #31 arrived today in NE Ohio! Great job, thanks to all!
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Another fantastic issue. Great stories and great photos.
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I received mine yesterday here in metro Atlanta, GA. I want to underscore the comments made thus far - another fantastic issue! I especially liked the article The Trip of a Lifetime by Keith Henry. Great story and a beautiful 280SL!
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how can i get if i live in kuwait ?
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I got min in NJ few days ago.
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Taleb, first you need to join as a full member. Two issues per year of Pagoda World are included in membership. We send these all over the world, so it would show up via the local mail system.
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Just got mine as well. Love it.
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hi jonny ,
i just payed for the full membership and i changed my adress to new York , make sure when send it you have to mention the KWI 38650 next to my name in order to arrive faster to kuwait .
thanks
taleb
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I suggest you recheck your address Taleb. It does not make much sense to me....
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PLEASE check/correct your address and standardize.
All USA addresses can be checked and standardized by going here:
https://tools.usps.com/zip-code-lookup.htm?byaddress
If your address doesn’t look up or cannot be found—mail will NOT be delivered.
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I did not get an RSVP request for the Pagoas and Beer event this coming Saturday Oct1.
My wife Nancy and I will be attending in our 1969 280 SL. Please include us in your registration.
Thanks! Pablo A Gonzalez and Nancy McKelvey
Cell (616)291 8775
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Mine arrived here in CANADA yesterday, again a fantastic issue!
Thanks to everyone involved to produce it!
Thanks Dieter
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Arrived in the UK today, we have had some postal strikes, which has caused delays
Had a quick flick through, some fantastic articles and pictures, many thanks to everyone involved
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Bob H.
Thank you for the kind and unsalty remarks. Get it .. Salt? Maldon?
We love it here in Ohio.
Mike
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Believe it or not i actually live next door to the Maldon Salt MD, and their factory is just a few minutes down the road. No discounts for us though, have to pay full price at the shop!
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I must have missed the memo saying all cars featured in Pagoda World had to be white. ;)
Lovely stories, thanks all
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Write up a nice article about something Pagoda and I will feature your blue car!
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“Car sits in garage not getting enough use” may not be the most interesting…
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Come on now, I am SURE you could spice that up a bit! 8)
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I'm as happy as I can be for "Babes" to be featured in PW31. (Jonny and our contractor did a great job.) At the same time, the comment about the issue being only about white cars is funny but true. I can't tell you how many times, when proudly handing the issue to interested family and friends, I had to explain that, "No, that's not my car on the cover." Ha!
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It’s a great story. Thanks for sharing it
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Car sits in the garage not getting enough use, but has plenty of companions with whom to swap road trip stories.
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Mike, I would love to read the story of your garage and its new interior.
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Really pleased to receive Number 31 late last week in the UK, thanks to all for the stories and for the production thereof
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#31 arrived today, great articles, Thanks Jon and all others involved.
Paul
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Still not received in the NL :(
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Still do not have mine in Germany as well....
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Two months later, still waiting! ...WRe
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Received in Australia today.
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Two months later, still waiting! ...WRe
Mine hasn't arrived either ... :o ???
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Two months later, still waiting! ...WRe
I am in same situation. Still waiting!.
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Also waiting… :(
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Idem...!
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You will all be pleased to learn that the Sl113.org envelope with Pagoda World finally arrived here today. Sent on 12th of september, arrived on 17th of november.
So if you haven't yet received your issue, do not give up hope yet!
It has a new label attached, with a return address in the Netherlands. A bit of sleuthing learns that this is: KAAB (https://kaabnl.nl/site/index#section-3) They are a Polish/Dutch mail redistributor, probably used by US postal service, leading to these massive delays in delivery.
Before sending the next batch, we better check with the shipper / postal service.
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Yes, please a bit more patience for those that have not yet received their copy of PW 31. We do realize that the delay is not acceptable and are working with the printer to understand where we need to apply the proper solution(s).
For those that have not received a magazine, if you do get one in the next week or so, please post here.
If the disappearing issues do not show up, we will follow up as we did for PW 30.
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To all group full members. We have closed the window on PW 31 no-show replies.
We understand this is simply not an acceptable set-up and we are moving toward what we hope is a more reliable shipping method with PW 32.
We are doing a reprint of PW 31 as we did for PW 30.
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This all reminds me of a bit of trivia. The first issue of Pagoda World was printed in two places: for the United States I believe it was Rodd who had those printed and mailed, and I had the 'rest of the world' done in and from Amsterdam. So, there are two versions of the first edition: one in A4 format and one in Letter. I believe we went to having everything printed in the US as from the 2nd issue on (not entirely sure now since it's around 20 years ago ...)
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This all reminds me of a bit of trivia. The first issue of Pagoda World was printed in two places: for the United States I believe it was Rodd who had those printed and mailed, and I had the 'rest of the world' done in and from Amsterdam. So, there are two versions of the first edition: one in A4 format and one in Letter. I believe we went to having everything printed in the US as from the 2nd issue on (not entirely sure now since it's around 20 years ago ...)
Wow, that's a designer's nightmare! Two layouts and two sets of everything. I guess that makes the A4 original version quite a collector's item!
US Page size: 8.5" x 11" -or- 215.9mm x 279.4 "wider but shorter"
ISO A4: 210mm x 297mm -or- 8.268" x 11.693". "narrower but taller"
Now here's some more trivia...there's generally a healthy amount of white space, or big "bleeds" with the images, and text far from the edges, on Mercedes Benz print ads so that one layout and design with different trims can be used in both US, A4 and other size publications with no changes.
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The domestic items were put in the mail last Friday, 30 December. The international items are going out this coming Friday, 6 January.
These are being sent directly, not via a mail forwarding system.
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Thanks a lot, Jon,
Highly appreciated...
Best,
Achim
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That will be a new year gift....! i am waiting ....! ;)
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Am I the only one still waiting for Pagoda World Number 31?
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The reprints were mailed out of the US to international locations on 6 January 2023. Delivery time for first class mail is usually 2 weeks or so. It should be close.
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Haven't received mine yet either (in California).
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Hi,
I'm not waiting any longer for the PW31.
I spoke to a CIA insider last night who told me that all PW31s shipped overseas have been confiscated because the pictures allegedly show secret facilities.
Personally, I think this is nonsense. Rather, I thought it was a rumor that the PW31 even existed, because no one had seen it before. You could also row across the Atlantic faster than going to the post office.
;-) Wolfgang
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. You could also row across the Atlantic faster than going to the post office.
;-) Wolfgang
;D ;D I am sure the magazines were sent via Media Mail which will take an awful long time. I am regularly sending Birthday Cards (yes, I am hopelessly behind the times) to Germany to family and friends via First Class mail and they take two weeks to get there.
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No sign of anything here in Spain.
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Not in Marina del Rey California either.
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...I am sure the magazines were sent via Media Mail which will take an awful long time...
The magazines for USA were reportedly sent via bulk rate mail, not media mail. Media mail only makes sense for items with a bit of weight to them, such as books. The Pagoda World books were sent via media mail. Media mail would have been faster though more costly for the magazines. It's generally no more than 7-10 days from any two points in the USA, and that's a maximum. I've had plenty of the Pagoda Books sent out from here and received in points distant in 2-3 days, as if it were first class or priority mail.
We believe the international ones were sent out via some third party mail service; we do know that ones in the past were sent via a company called Kaab https://kaabnl.nl. We cannot tell you if Kaab handled all or only part of the international shipments.
The astute among you will note the word "reportedly" and "we believe"; in reality when we had the shipping issues, we should have been able to get to the bottom of this. However, the printer who handled this was, shall we say, less than cooperative in working with us to find a solution. We had the same problem a year ago with PW #30; six months ago with #31. In both cases we went through a costly reprint and a remailing of duplicate issues. We were not about to do that a third time. The last straw, as it were, was when they told us that they send out tens of thousands of magazines monthly and we are their ONLY client complaining about magazines not arriving. They then went as far as suggesting that you, our members, were lying to us in order to get "free" additional copies. That was it, they closed the door on future business with us.
It's mentioned in the another thread, but we've changed printers, and along with that, mail class. The domestic, USA issues will go out presorted standard mail instead of bulk rate, and international ones will go out first class. They are also dropped in a completely different manner in a different state, and no 3rd party remailing services will be used.
It's taken a bit of work on the part of editor JonnyB and myself to sort this out over the past six months, but we believe by changing everything in the process, the results must be different. We know the quality will be the same.
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I haven't received mine either. Maybe US mail trucks waiting for the snow to melt?
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I haven't received mine either. Maybe US mail trucks waiting for the snow to melt?
Although I'm pretty sure I didn't request a resend I did receive a second copy about a week ago. I will hold onto it for you Hugh in case you never get yours.
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I also like Marcus, did not request a second copy. I did get a second copy last week.
Hugh, I'll save this copy for you should yours never arrive. Good that you live only a mile from my place :)
Dieter
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Hi Marcus & Dieter, Thanks to you both for your very kind offer to share your extra copies. I have not received mine as of yet & Dieter I will take you up on that offer and be in touch to set a time to drive that 1 mile to visit you. Stays this warm it could be a Pagoda 😁 Hugh
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Hugh,
It is on my deacon bench at the front door and got your name on it. :)
Dieter
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I have just received another copy of Pagoda World # 31.
I received the original last October, and did not request another one during the subsequent discussions.
Still a good read though.
Keep safe
Paul
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Did the shipper perhaps use the wrong list and send it out to those that already had a copy?
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Possible? I requested one in 'the second round' but it hasn't arrived yet, in California. Would be a shame not to receive it, as I have them all starting from no. 1.
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nothing here in Spain.
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I think I screwed up in producing the mailing list. I am investigating right now together with Jon B and Mike Salemi.
My apologies, follow this thread to be informed.
Peter
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I've just received a 2nd copy in the UK. I'm happy to post it to anyone in Europe who haven't received theirs, just send me a message or e-mail to bob@afssltd.com
Bob
Someone has just messaged me, so this copy has now gone!
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Thank's Bob i'll take it....! ;)
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I too have just received a second issue 31 in the UK.
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We've uncovered what happened. I screwed up. I created the mailing list for the resend of the PW31 issues using the member numbers of the PW30 issue.
41 of the members were on both lists, so they will/should have received their copy of PW31. The other members will receive a second copy accidentally.
For the 191 members I missed out a new copy of PW will be printed and mailed. Check this post (https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=36009.msg263269#msg263269) to see how to check your membership number.
Then check if your membership number is in this list. If it is, you will receive a copy of PW31. Eventually.
Peter
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Hi Peter,
My membership number is 14180 and is not on your list. I have not received No 31. I replied to the email send on the 4/12/2022 to confirm
i had not received PW31.
Will I get one ?
regards
DM
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Peter, I'll ask the obvious question... How does one find their membership number? I looked at My Profile above but don't see it.
(disclosure, I got PW31)
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Hello James, if you click on your own name, your profile is displayed, your membership number is shown on the top bar (not sure what the top bar is called!)
profile; u=380
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?action=profile;u=380
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Thanks Bob
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Hi Peter,
I am at same situation than Alpinaltd
My membership number is 20371 and is not on your list. I have not received No 31. I replied to the email send on the 4/12/2022 to confirm
i had not received PW31.
Will I get one ?
Best regards
Carlos
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I am at same situation than Alpinaltd
My membership number is 20371
Carlos
Carlos, and Alpinaltd,
your names/numbers were in the first list of members that I created erroneously. So your copy should already be underway to you. Like 41 other members who reported the missing issue, and are in the first list.
The members in the list with numbers will have to wait even longer, because that issue will need to be reprinted and re-mailed.
Just report it if you get your issue, as you can see they are now beginning to arrive...
Peter
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Hi Peter,
I'm in the same boat.
I never received PW31. I haven't received #30, either. In both cases, I replied to the email sent to confirm. After not receiving #30 issue I thought my response (confirmation) didn't go through because of my email client so I changed it to Gmail. My membership number is not on your list. Should I be worried? :-\
Petri
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Any UK member not got a 31? I have a spare I can post (if that then doesn’t mess with mailing lists)
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Hi Peter,
I'm in the same boat.
I never received PW31. I haven't received #30, either. In both cases, I replied to the email sent to confirm. After not receiving #30 issue I thought my response (confirmation) didn't go through because of my email client so I changed it to Gmail. My membership number is not on your list. Should I be worried? :-\
Petri
Your membership number is 3807. You are not on our PW30 list and not on the PW31 list. I suggest you hook-up with James Lester and ask him to send you his spare copy by PM.
If you have a normal e-mail client setup with your e-mail account, clicking the button in the newsletter should have opened a ready to send e-mail in your mail client, that would only require you to press the send button.
If you are using gmail in your browser, it should have also opened a new mail ready to send. You do actually have to press the send button yourself.
Have a look in your "Sent" items if a mail was actually sent. If you have, please mail me that e-mail as an Attachment (to admin@sl113.org) so that I can have a look. Don't forward it, but send it as an attachment.
Peter
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Thank you, James and Peter! :)
Peter, I sent you my original reply as an attachment.
-petri
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Petri,
I checked with Jon Bernardi (that's where the mails went) and he does not have a record of your mail for PW30 and PW31, also not in the spam box.
The mail you forwarded me has no subject and no content... in fact it is malformed. It was sent to the correct address but would not have registered correctly... as it does not have the content it should have had, including your member number and a correct subject.
It appears something in your mail system is not set-up correctly.
MIME-Version: 1.0
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 11:35:37 +0200
Message-ID: <CABXC61zpX0+JdXYLCWTvbtokpLoF+K08av=+0Br_pczULjBRXA@mail.gmail.com>
Subject:
From: Petri Paloviita <hiddenmail@gmail.com>
To: editor@sl113.org
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000047781c05ef75fe3c"
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
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Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8"
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Thank you, James and Peter! :)
-petri
Posted this morning
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It appears something in your mail system is not set-up correctly.
OK. Thanks!
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Posted this morning
:)
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I've received a second copy so if anyone in the UK hasn't received theirs....
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I've received a second copy of issue 31 - happy to mail it out, though I suspect I might be mailing it overseas!
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Thank you for including the Pagoda SL Patch. I had it sewed on my cap. I tried to upload a photo but can't seem to make that work.
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Thanks a lot, got PW 31 today, about a week after I got PW 32.
I can read that it was post stamped 03/13/2023, so it came quick, only 8 days!
Big thanks that you’ve arranged resend of PW 31 when it failed by some reason on the attempt last September
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I also received my No 31 last weekend, many thanks for taking care of that fellows...
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For those that have not followed the saga of PW #31.
It was printed by our previous printer and mailed in September, 2022.
By December, we realized that the same problems existed with PW #31 has had existed with PW #30: large numbers of magazines not getting to their destination.
At our sole expense, we authorized a reprint of PW #31 after asking members to let us know if they didn't receive it. As per usual, not all responded in a timely fashion. The second printing went out at the end of December, 2022.
However--our mistake--we uncovered an error in the way the address list was prepared. So not all who did respond timely made it on the list.
We changed printers and made a THIRD printing of PW #31 and that went out at the beginning of March.
The new printer also did PW #32. No complaints on delivery, however we are starting to get some back, mostly non-USA members who don't provide a proper mailing address standardized for their country. I don't know why this is an issue, but a measurable number of people simply don't know their own address and or don't know it must be standardized to their own postal service rules. Not ours.
Aside from that, at a fractionally different price point we are now sending out all magazines in a different class and many are arriving overseas within a week of posting.
We consider our mailing issues solved. I think we won't be talking about this in September with PW #33.
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What is the deal with issue 31 ? I still have not received a copy. I have however received Issue 32. I am guessing that I'm not getting one...
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We are checking into this now to see if we have a remaining copy to send you. When we first ran into this issue last fall, did you follow the instructions in the time allotted so you could get on the list? If not, you never made it on the first list. We then did a second mailing, followed by third. We’re looking to see if you were on any of these lists.
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I received an email on the 4th Dec 2022 with a link for a reply email if I had not received a copy of issue 31. Clicked on the link and send the reply email as instructed the same day. I would be nice to get 31 at some point. Thank you for checking.
best regards
DM
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We are checking into this now to see if we have a remaining copy to send you. When we first ran into this issue last fall, did you follow the instructions in the time allotted so you could get on the list? If not, you never made it on the first list. We then did a second mailing, followed by third. We’re looking to see if you were on any of these lists.
Alpinaltd is in the second list, i.e. the PW31 set which also had incorrect entries in it. It was sent at the end of December 2022. He's therefore not in the third mailing.
As such we have to assume your issue got lost in the mail. Can you double check that your address is included correctly in the system, in accordance with Spanish postal rules?
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I am in the same situation than Alpinaltd.
I have received Issue 32, but not issue 31.
This is very strange.
Best regards
Carlos
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There are a couple of members on this thread that received 2nd copies, i'm sure they wouldn't mind posting their spare copies to Europe, it would only cost a few £, perhaps message them and ask
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There are a couple of members on this thread that received 2nd copies, i'm sure they wouldn't mind posting their spare copies to Europe, it would only cost a few £, perhaps message them and ask
IF there are any non-USA members who did receive duplicate copies of PW#31, please send me a message, a PM preferable. Just click my name on the left and you'll get my official club email. We may ask you to post these out and reimburse you as needed.
For the time being, we'll take care of the two members in Spain today. I just created the international shipping and customs labels, and JonnyB will get these out today. I should note that when processing these today, it tells me that First Class Mail to Spain is up to 4x longer to arrive than to say, Germany or France or other European countries...and based on all the ExPat information, I think Correos may be the hold up? Both Alpina and debel56 received tracking information so they can find out where their magazines are once they leave the USA.
As our Admin Peter has alluded to, and I've been saying all along, it is quite important that all members check their address according to local rules. For USA members, our printer does this automatically by placing the address list through a US Postal Service certification program which standardizes and corrects addresses. However it cannot correct errors such as a transposed house number, or something like that. We cannot do ANY checking on non-USA addresses. For all members, no postal service can place a mailbox at your home either. As editor JonnyB and I have been working through these issues, we have had returned Pagoda World magazines from members with incomplete addresses, incorrect addresses, along with "no mail receptacle". Sometimes when trying to contact the member, we don't get a reply. We have been assiduous in trying to get these situations corrected on a one by one basis as they occur. But it would be so much better if everyone, particularly those outside the USA, would use their local postal system's online service to verify their exact mailing address and format. I only use this as an example, but if you live in a small village in England and everyone knows that your home is "Flower Cottage, Whimsey Lane" Royal Mail instead may have it as 13 Whimsey Lane. It may have been a home built hundreds of years ago, and for which mail has been delivered without issue for decades--but the rules have changed. As all mail--first class letters to large packages--that cross international borders must clear customs, some jurisdictions require that the addressee's name conform to their legal name on government issued identification in case the item is held up in Customs. I don't make this stuff up. For all I know, the two magazines posted twice to Spain are still in their customs office somewhere awaiting clearance. No way to know.
Postal services the world over since Covid have tightened up so many things. What was normal 3 years ago is no longer normal.
While maybe just 10-15 magazines are returned to us, it is taking an enormous amount of time (not to mention club funds, at 3x the original cost) to sort out these issues.
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I am in the same situation than Alpinaltd.
I have received Issue 32, but not issue 31.
This is very strange.
Best regards
Carlos
Yes your copy was also sent in the December 2022 mailing. The same question -- as you are also in Spain -- is your address entered correctly according to Spanish postal rules?
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Yes your copy was also sent in the December 2022 mailing. The same question -- as you are also in Spain -- is your address entered correctly according to Spanish postal rules?
Unfortunately, Peter, the December 2022 mailing (the duplicate) of PW31 went the same way as the September 2022 mailing of PW31. Our FORMER printer used a third partly mailing service instead of the USPS to get the magazines from the USA to their respective host countries. Thankfully YOU Peter were the one who noticed this third party label.
Our new strategy with the new printer is all mail goes first class. No third parties. Both Spanish members here did get #32 sent out this way. New copies of #31 are being sent today.
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Yes your copy was also sent in the December 2022 mailing. The same question -- as you are also in Spain -- is your address entered correctly according to Spanish postal rules?
Yes, my address is correct. I have received issue 32 without problem! and before issues 30 and 29.
I have received too Pagoda World Book Volume 1 and later Volume 2.
My address is always been the same.
Many thanks
Carlos
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Our two members in Spain had new copies dispatched to them on 27-April from California. While it took some days to get properly sorted for international transit to Spain while in the hands of the USPS, these replacement copies left the USA (Los Angeles) on a plane, on 3-May. So by today they are in the hands of Correos, the local Spanish mail carrier. Hopefully they will get these delivered to our members in a reasonable amount of time.
@debel56 and @Alpinaltd, it would be nice if you let us know when they arrive.
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Our two members in Spain had new copies dispatched to them on 27-April from California. While it took some days to get properly sorted for international transit to Spain while in the hands of the USPS, these replacement copies left the USA (Los Angeles) on a plane, on 3-May. So by today they are in the hands of Correos, the local Spanish mail carrier. Hopefully they will get these delivered to our members in a reasonable amount of time.
@debel56 and @Alpinaltd, it would be nice if you let us know when they arrive.
waiting for the copy with great excitement :)
Many thanks
Carlos
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It has arrived today! thanks to all.
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Today arrived Pagoda World issue 31! :)
Many thanks for all your efforts
Carlos
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I Received issue 33 a few weeks ago. I liked the fact that the new clear wrapper is re-sealable. I read it and was able to put it back in the original clear jacket for future preservation. I am working on my "Man cave basement" and will obviously use my prior issues as wall art.
thank you for the latest issue.
Regards
Pinder