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W113 Pagoda SL Group => Announcements => Topic started by: Jonny B on February 16, 2022, 19:32:49
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Note to all full members -
The next issue of Pagoda World has been completed at the printers. They are putting it in the envelopes and sending it out this week. Keep your eyes open for your issue!
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Jonny,
I haven't received my issue yet. Wanted to make sure the same thing doesn't happen this year like last year. I renewed my membership as soon as I received notification of renewal being due. Would you please check to make sure I'm on the mailing list?
Thanks for your help.
Mark
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Mark, just checked and your name is on the member list I downloaded for the printing outfit. I will double check with them on the mailing date.
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Jonny,
I haven't received my issue yet. Wanted to make sure the same thing doesn't happen this year like last year. I renewed my membership as soon as I received notification of renewal being due. Would you please check to make sure I'm on the mailing list?
Thanks for your help.
Mark
I haven't received mine yet either. But I'm sure it will get here.
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I did send an email to the publishing folks, but most likely will not hear anything back until Monday. I will post an update when I have more information.
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Pagoda World 30 was mailed out on or about 18 February.
They should be in your mailbox shortly. Believe it or not, one member here in SoCal (usually among the last in the US to see the magazine) received his a couple of days ago.
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Nothing here yet, and not arriving today either...
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Mine arrived yesterday. :)
Excellent photos 👏👏!
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Jonny,
Just a heads up, I still haven't received my copy of Pagoda World 30. With today's mail service who knows what happened.
Cheers,
Mark
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Mark,
Nothing here in Canada either it's been 14 days since shipped must be coming via slow boat via China. :)
Dieter
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Not in Long Beach (Southern CA) yet either. But should be here soon I suppose.
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Got it a couple days ago.
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Issue 30 still absent from NE Ohio
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Central Texas.... Got it today!
:) :) :)
Norm
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Northern Germany.... already received it last Thursday!
:) :) :)
Andreas
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Received mine today in northern New Jersey.
Another great issue.
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"Tom & the Secrets" will be a hit with Calla! She's recovering from a hip replacement and I'm sure she will be so tickled to see herself mentioned again and it will probably give her a boost toward faster recovery!
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=33192.msg242026#msg242026 (https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=33192.msg242026#msg242026)
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Got mine today! outstanding issue, beautiful photos of Austria! thanks to all for putting it together. Charles in Griffin, GA (approx 1 hour south of Atlanta, GA)
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I am glad to report that my copy finally arrived yesterday! I give the USPS some credit. It is such a long way to Northeast Ohio.... :o
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I just got mine today 3/8 in central Ohio
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I am glad to report that my copy finally arrived yesterday! I give the USPS some credit. It is such a long way to Northeast Ohio.... :o
Thanks for the smile Mike. Reminds me of a part I ordered last year from Mississauga, about a 45 minute drive from where I live. I watched this on Canada Posts tracking site. The parcel went from Mississauga to Montreal (yes the one in Quebec) to Kitchener and finally to Stoney Creek (a half hour from me) and then my place. Took 4 days. I figure someone in Montreal must have figured out that my Jordan address was not in the middle east.
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Marcus:
I am not sure, if it is the sender or the carrier...
Last year I ordered a set of DVDs from PBS. They came from Hudson, Ohio, where their fullfillment center is. 20 minutes from my home.
The package went to some place in Central Ohio, then to Toledo, then to Michigan. It finally arrived here 12 days after it left the facility..
I keep hearing complaints that USPS is running in the red. That must cost something???
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Still waiting for my copy.
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Chris in Nashville.
Glad you liked the pictures, I hope Calla sees this and comments.
JonB original comment when he saw the original pictures was " That Looks like a Mouse Hotel".
I am waiting to hear from my friends in the club about their comments.
Tom M
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Still haven't received mine either, in Long Beach. Odd since several others in the area did receive theirs. The USPS moves in mysterious ways.
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This has been very odd. Some here in SoCal received their issues among the first deliveries noted, others, just down the street have not gotten theirs yet
I will be following up with publisher on Monday, 14 Mar
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Mine finally arrived this afternoon ... Great issue, as usual!
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Arrived today. Very nice issue. Interesting articles, beautiful photos and Tom Sargeant in lederhosen. It doesn't get any better than that.
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Sill haven't received mine yet. Dang post office. I work for them and still don't get certain items quickly. Most of the time I get my copy in a day or so after you say it is sent...
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Hi, I know I’m in the UK and I know there’s been a pandemic which has turned the world upside down and inside out but I still haven’t received my copy.
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Same for Australia, still waiting, the international mail ism a mess at moment.
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Relax and be patient.
It took one month for my copy to arrive; they’re mailed in Jacksonville FL just 400 miles away from Charlotte.
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Has anyone in the UK received the their copy?
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Have not received my copy in Netherlands either...
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I have not received it in Spain either
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I am definitely at a loss to explain this. I did follow up with the publishing outfit that prints the magazine and mails it out. They checked with the local post office and they reported no issues.
There was no change in the overall process as far as getting it delivered to the US postal system.
Have there been any other mail delays noted in Europe/UK??
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Has anyone in Canada received a copy? Mine has not yet arrived.
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Marcus and Jonny,
Hugh and I also are still waiting for it and wondering what gives. Mighht it be that some trucking company has them in a truck for Canadian delivery and was part of the demonstrations in Ottawa? wondering. ??? Did our PW end up in some dump location by an angry trucker ???
https://www.nytimes.com/article/canada-trucker-protests.html
Dieter
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Nothing here yet !
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... and yet a parcel with Triumph parts that was shipped to me DHL on a Monday from the UK arrived on my doorstep two days later in California. So it's not 'across the board'.
(That said, Fedex managed to misplace a parts shipment for the Lancia in December for more than two months, sending it back and forth between France and California twice. It was at a Fedex location close to my home i.e. the destination, but the staff there said they could not give it to me, as they had instructions to send it back to France 'from someone'. Order was ultimately cancelled and I got my money back. I hope the vendor got that shipment back. I will for sure never voluntarily use Fedex ever again, they also lied to me about the status multiple times, their customer service rep hung up on me and so on and so forth ...)
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I am definitely at a loss to explain this. I did follow up with the publishing outfit that prints the magazine and mails it out. They checked with the local post office and they reported no issues.
There was no change in the overall process as far as getting it delivered to the US postal system.
Have there been any other mail delays noted in Europe/UK??
This is way toooo long. Normally I receive them within a week, now it's been 6. I have a suggestion Jonny, if we really have this many missing copies, you can WeTransfer me the PDF version. I can make it available to full members only, or make it the "sample copy" we have on this website for prospective members... At least the rest of us can see the photographs from this issue we are all longing to see.
Peter
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I have been doing some further follow up with the magazine publishing group and they have not made any changes in their approach to sending out the magazine.
I am also exploring a couple of alternative/replacement potentials. I hope to have further information next week.
There have been quite a number of disruptions in delivery across the globe, and they do seem to be quite sporadic.
In the meanwhile, keep an eye open for the magazine.
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Hi Jonny,
I think we should proceed as Peter recommends, it is a great recommendation from Peter. It also would be the best way to go. Peter can replace Issue 7 we have right now as a free issue under Benefits with issue 30 and anyone not having received Issue 30 can then download it. It would be a painless and easy way to handle this. Also, with issue 30 being an excample in the benefit listing will show protential new members and associates the fine work you do in putting PW together (a more up to date issue showing the qualety of a magazine you put together).
Dieter
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Regarding getting it, "moi non plus". (me either)
Tom Kizer
Quebec, Canada
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Hey Jonny:
Maybe with the delay with Issue 30 , that is why I have not heard from my selected friends about my famous Mouse Hotel.
(Joke)
Tom M
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I am also exploring a couple of alternative/replacement potentials. I hope to have further information next week.
Any news Jonny? still waiting for it here in Ontario Canada :(
Have you given Peter's recommendation any thought?
(see Peter's Re: Pagoda World 30« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2022, 06:26:13 »)
(see my Re: Pagoda World 30 « Reply #42 on: April 01, 2022,)
Going on 8 weeks now since the publisher mailed them or?
Dieter
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I am following up with Peter to send out a short note to the full members to find out who did not receive a copy.
I got the quotes on a reprint, and it is fairly reasonable.
We will not be posting a digital copy, to easy to lose control of the content.
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Thank you Jonny !
Dieter
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A mail has been sent to all Full Members. If you did not receive your copy of Pagoda World #30, please click the button in the announcement and send the mail today.
If you haven't seen that mail yet, please check your spam folder.
If you did receive the issue, please do not click on that button.
Thanks in advance
Peter and Jonny
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The button wasn't working for me. Anyone else have a problem? So I just replied to the e-mail.
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If you found the e-mail in your spam folder, you should know that most e-mail servers disable any embedded links in messages sent to the spam folder. Transfer the e-mail to your regular in-box, they try clicking on the link.
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I got the mail in my inbox and the button worked as it should.
//Lars
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The button wasn't working for me. Anyone else have a problem? So I just replied to the e-mail.
Which is exactly what you SHOULD NOT do.
The button sends an e-mail to: editor@sl113.org
With your user ID in the subject line
And in the body:
id: <<your id nr>>
e-mail: <<your email address>>
country: <<your country>>
We will use that in an automated process to generate new mailing labels. If the button does not work for you, please send an e-mail as indicated above.
Peter
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The button worked ok for me..I have not received Pagoda World 30.
Paul
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As an FYI - as of 5:35 CDT We have 231 no shows for PW 30. I have not attempted to look at the spread of countries. Will do when the response period closes.
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To all,
We have sent the addresses for the reprint of the magazine to the publisher/printer. They are doing the printing of labels today, 25 April 2022.
Today, 25 April would be the official cutoff for getting the work done through them.
There were 300 errant issues!
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I have not received yet here in France....!
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To clarify how we are proceeding with the missing PW 30
We sent out an email requesting those full members that had not received a magazine to let me know. That was two weeks ago. Since then we have received 300 responses to indicate "no show" on the magazine!
I put all those names and addresses in a spreadsheet and have sent them to the publisher. They are going to reprint the magazines and send them out to the affected members. We closed the process as of yesterday, and the publisher is printing the labels and magazines this week.
When I have a notice from the publisher on when the reprints are sent out, I will let you all know.
Jon (PW Editor)
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Thanks v much
Begging the obvious question… wtf happened to 300+ magazines?
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James, I sure as heck wish I knew. There some suspects about how the bulk load was dropped off. I could find no rhyme or reason from looking at the spread of missing issues.
Most puzzling.
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While JonnyB has shouldered much of the effort to correct this situation, I've worked with him on this as well.
My own copy arrived "dirty"; the envelope looked like it was somehow caught in a machine thought the magazine itself was not damaged. I guess you could say there was ink and dirt all over the backside of the envelope. Moreover it took 30 days to get from its Florida mail drop to my home. There is no class of postal service with that long a delivery time--so while in the system, it was somehow delayed. That's the story of ONE that arrived.
As for the 300 that did not, it is correct to assume they never entered the postal system in the first place. How and where they got waylaid is just a guess. But, if they were indeed dropped off and entered as they should have been, there is no way that this many could go missing. Say what you will about the US Postal Service, but they are NOT that bad--not even close. Remember, we sent out many hundreds of PW books via the postal service and they all arrived.
My experience with recent international shipping indicates that other postal systems around the world are fully capable of less than perfect service. In more than one instance recently, perfectly addressed items were returned indicating the address is wrong. In other instances, and yes that's plural, with more than one international location, the local postal services do not hold the mail for the recipient long enough for them to come and get it, nor do they provide any means for what we call a "vacation hold". Thus, the items get returned. A few book deliveries made two and three round trips before finally getting properly delivered...
We (the Pagoda SL Group) does a lot of mailing. It helps if we have ONE and ONLY ONE correct, standardized address for you on file. If you move, updated it. If you change your address, update it. When we have an issue like these missing magazines, we are striving in the most expedient means possible to rectify the situation, and even after a reasonable amount of time, we're still getting requests for magazine, long after the print order was submitted...a timely response is important. We are running out of PW #30s and there are very few we can handle from this point on.
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Pagoda World 30 arrived here today
Thanks
Paul
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Mine arrived today also, the postmark date was 27 April.
Many thanks
Ray
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Mine too. Great to see RHD model adorning the front page. Thanks everyone involved in making this arrive. I’m sure it was a headache you didn’t need
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Hi,
mine arrived today also. Many thanks, great!
...WRe
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Pagoda World 30 arrived today here in Spain.
It also was postmarked April 27
Many thanks!
Carlos
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Hi, Johnny
I cheked today : I didn't receive pw n• 30.
Is it stiĺl possible to get a copy ?
Thanks a lot.
Jean Michel
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I have only just seen these posts. As of May 10th I have not received Pagoda World No. 30 in the UK. Is it too late to get a copy?
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Hello, I have just received your emails. Thank you.
I'm waiting for the new number as advertised.
Sincerely Pierre ADAM France Poitou Charentes
Peter Adam
Mercedes-Benz Club France.
Delegate Poitou-Charentes.
06.07.84.40.67
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PW 30 arrived today, May 10, here in Quebec City, Quebec Province, Canada. It also was postmarked April 27.
Thanks for all the leadership attention.
Tom Kizer (Tomnistuff)
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I just got mine in the Netherlands... Hurrah!
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Mine arrived here in Bray, Ireland this morning.
Thanks to all involved for arranging the reprint and mailing it to those that did not receive it in February – much appreciated.
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My copy arrived yesterday in Estoril , Portugal,
Thank you for the repeated efforts.
Regards
Pedro
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AS A REMINDER, regardless of whether you received your PW #30 or not, sorry to report that NO MORE will be dispatched.
We set a costly re-print and re-mail program in place, with a timeline to let us know how many to print and where to send them. Most who didn't receive them let us know. A number did not pay attention to the timeline, didn't get their email, neglected it, or whatever. Regardless of why, we had ordered a reprint based on this, and these were already mailed and most have already arrived (see the positive notices below!)
Unfortunately the large number of tardy responses have now exhausted our supply of #30. We have no more. No more will be printed until perhaps next year or so, when we do PW Volume III, issues 21-30. No individual copies of PW #30 will be printed.
We apologize for those that may be shortchanged here, but the timing of our notices and print orders is important. Anyone and everyone, regardless of number, who was within this timeline would have been in the print run.
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mine arrived today. Many thanks,
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I just got mine in France, Great many thanks
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Got mine this morning many thanks to all that made this happen. Great issue as always!
Rolf-Dieter
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Any thoughts on going fully electronic and saving costs on printing, postage and ad hoc mailing issues?
Maybe an ‘opt out’ option for those who would prefer the instant electronic version vs. paper copy.
Likely a wildly unpopular opinion. More and more companies are thinking of their ESG responsibilities.
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Personally, that would suit me..
Any thoughts on going fully electronic and saving costs on printing, postage and ad hoc mailing issues?
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ESG = Environmental, Social, and Governance
Attention for an organization's impact on societies, as well as for how it governs itself.
(Those two things aren't really related by the way.)
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Any thoughts on going fully electronic and saving costs on printing, postage and ad hoc mailing issues?
Maybe an ‘opt out’ option for those who would prefer the instant electronic version vs. paper copy.
Likely a wildly unpopular opinion. More and more companies are thinking of their ESG responsibilities.
As a club, we have two classifications of assets: tangible and intangible. The intangible assets are our members. The tangible assets are our forum (and its content); our magazine (and its content); our technical manual (integral to the forum), and our accounts (PayPal and Bank) which hold our funds in US dollars.
We protect out accounts by holding them in secure places: banks and PayPal, where only those so authorized have access, and only legitimate approved expenditures are made.
We protect our forum by requiring membership for many things. We also have a number of "fortifications" to prevent hacking, etc. in place.
We protect our technical manual by requiring full paid membership for access.
We protect our magazine by printing it on paper and distributing it only to full members.
While it may be a "green" thing (for lack of a better word) to do by NOT distributing the magazine on paper, once we distribute it on PDF, we no longer have any control over it. One PDF emailed to one person can quickly work its way to hundreds or thousands of copies going all around the world to people who have not paid for the privilege of reading it or receiving it. The protection is lost and gone. There is no way to control access to a PDF in any meaningful way. The best was to control this is by printing it ONLY on paper.
Further to this, IF we were to change the magazine from paper to electronic format, and distribute it by email, (we have no plans to do so) we would still have the same problem we have right this moment, just with a twist. While the number of members falling into this category is few, they make it very challenging for those board members serving them; these few members don't go to the forums, they don't get their emails, they don't read their emails, they provide email addresses they don't use, and they don't keep their addresses (physical and electronic) up to date. The challenges we face are caused by any one or more of those things. All it takes is one to throw a wrench in the works.
The mail problem with PW #30 had nothing to do with the members. It was a printer or postal problem for which we will probably not know the answer why more than 300 copies were not delivered around the world. Nonetheless, with little regard for cost, we decided as a board to reprint for those members who didn't receive #30. We endeavored, with a generous timeline, to collect information on who did not get it. At the end of the period (plus a few days allowance for stragglers), we ordered a secondary print run. We had them all mailed out, and they all went out on April 27th.
Meanwhile, even after the process was seeming finished on our end, more and more requests for #30 kept coming. Problem was, we quickly exhausted them. There are no more copies.
So, in the electronic world, regardless of how we chose to make it available, if the past is indicative of the future, we'd have a few members unable to download, unable to get the email, unable to open it, or the same reasons why they never got the notices about the PW #30 issue. We're still taking time to deal with it, though the last copies of #30 were hand processed by us yesterday and will be in today's mail.
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Still waiting for my copy in Surrey, U.K. hopefully it will arrive soon
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Michael, thanks for taking the time to richly detail for myself and others, the strong Board asset protection rationale for not doing down the electronic PDF path.
Delighted to hear there are additional fortifications to protect all members as I figured if anyone wanted a database on Pagoda owners, then this was the site to access!
The immense passion, governance and knowledge within this group continues to astound me.
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I just received my copy. West coast of Canada
Thanks
Gil
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Personally I wouldn’t mind at all if the pdf was read by people who haven’t paid a membership. Why should that matter?
Of course if the authors of the content wish to restrict access that should be respected. But do they?
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Got mine this morning.....Thank's ;)
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Personally I wouldn’t mind at all if the pdf was read by people who haven’t paid a membership. Why should that matter?
Of course if the authors of the content wish to restrict access that should be respected. But do they?
There's also nothing keeping anyone from scanning into pdf any issue and uploading to the interwebs ...
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Personally I wouldn’t mind at all if the pdf was read by people who haven’t paid a membership. Why should that matter?
Of course if the authors of the content wish to restrict access that should be respected. But do they?
Right. The goal is NOT to prevent anyone from READING the magazine, in fact quite the opposite. What we'd all enjoy is a stranger reading someone else's magazine and then based upon the content and what they read, to decide to join.
Right now there is an enormous amount of control by virtue of having a paper magazine. The paper magazine by itself has value, as evidenced by the fact that people buy (until we've run out, of course) back issues. Further, we sold an enormous number of copies of the magazine in book form!
If we were to cease printing on paper, and only do a PDF, we would lose that control, and thus really lose the asset. Would you want paper money that anyone could copy? Would you want to put your money in a bank for which there is no vault or protection? No, I don't think so. In fact so many members here value their security and privacy that we don't even know all of their real names. We are going to continue to protect our assets for the mutual benefit of all members of the club.
For many extremely large publishers, there are some obscure and very technical means of protecting digital assets with "pay walls" along with other protections such as disabling the print function, disabling the ability to copy and forward, etc. That is beyond our small club to pay for or integrate.
There's also nothing keeping anyone from scanning into pdf any issue and uploading to the interwebs ...
Yes that's true. But this is a non-trivial task. I've seen scans and copies people make of things and some are laughably awful quality. If you decided to invest in a good scanner, or hire someone with one, and scan any issue into PDF form, do a proper de-screening, assemble the pages into a usable PDF that you would then distribute and upload to the "interweb" then...
...you'd be guilty of intellectual property theft, and copyright infringement. Our works are copyrighted works subject to protection under U.S. Criminal Code provisions such as those in Title 18, U.S. Code, Sections 2319, 2319A, and 2319B.
https://www.fbi.gov/investigate/white-collar-crime/piracy-ip-theft
NOW before you get frightened, does that mean you can't take your magazine or Pagoda Notes, keep the "originals" in a safe place, and make copies to have in your car or garage? Of course not! Along with this onerous sounding things such as copyright infringement, intellectual property theft, etc. we also have the "fair use doctrine". Copying what you've paid for, for your own use, is fair use.
Want to help prevent a break in at your home? Lock your front door. We're doing that with our assets by keeping them analog!
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Yeah I know all that Michael, after all I have been heading up fraud investigation departments for more than a decade now. Fact remains that it would be very easy for this to happen, and our protection against it is rather weak.
Also, looking at our bylaws, I note some of our objectives (excerpts relevant to the sharing of information):
"The purpose of the Group shall be:
... to increase knowledge and appreciation and maintain the historical heritage of Mercedes Benz SL automobiles, particularly the W113 chassis cars ;
to foster sharing of information ... among owners and admirers of these cars. Specifically, the Group ... builds a community of members around the world ... where people meet and exchange knowledge, expertise; Supports the restoration, preservation and operation of Mercedes-Benz W113 automobiles through the accumulation, enhancement and distribution of relevant information among owners, enthusiasts, and service providers to these cars"
So making information as widely available as possible is our specific aim. Charging for that information or limiting its availability is (only) justified if we need the funds to operate, in my personal opinion, as it goes counter to our stated purpose. Something to think about.
Ok back to regular programming!
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Cees,
Before we go back to back to regular programming :) can I ask you (BDW I love that statement it made me smile).
I am in my mid 80s Cees and find the font size rather small of our PW magazines as well as the PW Book 1 and 2.
I have a very good scanner and if I was to scan an article of our PW magazine for my own use to read at a enlaged 27 inch Apple monitor would I be breaking a law?
Must I delete the PDF file from my network after I read it?
I value your opinion since you have a good background in this field.
Dieter
PS. We do have PW Issue 7 available in PDF format in our "Membership" area, it is available to anyone that enters our website from sl113.org then scroll down to Membership open it the PW issue 7 is then listed under Full Membership. One of the articles is "Data Cards" that we share with anyone around the world free of charge.
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Hey Dieter, I think as Michael said, if you make a copy (I would think that includes an enlarged copy) for your own use that should be just fine.
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Thanks Cees, that is what I thought too, afterall, I paid for the original :)
Dieter
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Regardless of our by-laws, we have a Board of Directors, and an Audit Committee. The Board of Directors is selected by election by all full members. It consists of (unpaid) volunteers. As does the Audit Committee.
The Board of Directors frequently re-evaluates the policy of our publications. And sometimes changes that policy. So Pagoda Notes is a restricted PDF download, where all current and back issues are available to all Full Members. The Technical Manual has recently become restricted in access to Full Members, leading to a large increase in membership. I'll readily admit that I was against doing this, as I felt that open access to the Technical Manual through search engines would lead to people finding us, and then ultimately becoming members. I stand corrected, as the decision taken once implemented clearly increased our membership without reducing new registrations.
The distribution of Pagoda World is reviewed regularly by the Board of Directors. Each time they reach the conclusion that despite the cost, the environmental impact, people still appreciate a paper copy of PW, with good quality printing to do justice to the excellent photographs (and no, a scanned copy will never be as good). And while all full members get PW, not all access the forum, the Technical Manual or even their copy of Pagoda Notes, even though I mail a notification each and every time.
As a club we organise events. These are written up in PW. They show we are a real community, not just a website. We hope to enthuse members to join in, and we hope to get members to volunteer to take on Board roles, write articles, submit photographs. And to look up other members when they are travelling, and make friends.
If you feel strongly about issuing PW as a PDF, there is a simple way:
- volunteer for the Board
- convince the other Board members that issuing PW as a PDF is a good thing
- if step 2 fails, get other people who think like you to volunteer also until you have a Board majority
Peter
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Mine has arrived, Ash and Nick hopefully you have yours now.
Maurice
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I did expect to see no 30 when I came back home to Sweden yesterday (Mai 21) after two weeks In Italy but unfortunately not, I don’t know if any other in Sweden got there copy.
Regards Lars
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Lars,
I am sorry to report that we don't have any more copies of PW 30.
As Michael Salemi has noted earlier in this string we got responses from the request for "Who is missing an issue?" and got a reprint of the magazine. Once those we sent out, we got further response, and had ordered only a few beyond those that responded and sent those out individually. After that was depleted, I had a few copies left from the published (from the first printing) and got more "I did not receive one" notes. Those have now been sent out. My inventory is gone.
We do not plan to reprint the magazine individually.
The only path now is to wait for the book reprint of PW 21 through 30. We hope to do that in a year or so's time.
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The reason I wrote is that I did respond to ”Who is missing an issue” and thought it is good to know that it hasn't worked the second time to get the no 30 issue.
Am I the only Swede that still miss issue 30?
Regards Lars
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Hej Lars,
Don't know about all the Swedes but here is one Finn still waiting for an issue ;D
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Interjecting here...
IF YOU properly responded to JonnyB's request about whether you did NOT receive PW #30 at the time the inquiry was sent out, they your duplicate copy was sent, mail date of April 27. If you did not receive PS #30 and you did NOT respond to the inquiry, we do not have any more to send you.
I can tell you from the book project that we have had issues with mail going to Sweden.
If PW #30, second printing has not arrived, I would say for certain this time, it is your local postal service. We had a mix of both USA and International in the re-print and re-mail, and many reported that they received them. That tells us they made it properly into the postal system.
Our guess was that a number of them from the first printing did not...
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Still waiting for second PW30 here in Australia as well. Did respond to Jon’s request so think the mail is just super slow out of the US at the moment, or should say, as always. ;D Ordered something else from the US at same time and also waiting for that.
Garry
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Having just said that, PW 30 turns up in the mail an hour later. Happy now.
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…so think the mail is just super slow out of the US at the moment, or should say, as always. ;D Ordered something else from the US at same time and also waiting for that.
It would be wrong to assume your slow mail service [on international packages from the USA] is solely a problem caused by the USA. Once it leaves the the USPS and is turned over to another country it’s no longer a US mail issue. Apparently there are mountains of parcels in Melbourne that Australia Post simply cannot deliver as fast as they arrive. Though that link below is from October last, can you tell me that Australia Post is totally back to normal?
Between this issue with PW #30, and all the books sent out (over 1,000) in the past year, I'm not being arrogant when I say I have some experience in the matter. In the case of the books, Sweden was particularly dreadful. Multiple books returned from different members. In one case a book was returned to us twice! Magnificent incompetence having nothing to do with USA. It was sent via AnPost out of Ireland.
In other recent situations local postal services have demanded duty (in some cases less than $1.00); held at an ill-staffed local post office with normal wait times measured in hours (a local problem for you, not the USPS), then returned the package after a few days. They simply can’t be bothered to hold anything, and the ridiculously small duty or VAT, hardly worth collecting in the first place, was merely an excuse. It was easier to send it back than to deliver it.
To blame the USA or its postal service for any domestic woes in your country isn’t accurate.
For the first problem (the only real mailing issue I'm aware of in our PW endeavors) of PW #30 not getting out to everyone--probably 25-30% of our membership, I’m of the suspicion that our printer failed to properly bring a load of PW #30 into the postal system. If they did, then these boxes, just a portion of the initial mailing, were somehow "lost" at the postal system here. We didn't lose any books in those shipments, so this situation was a rare aberration.
https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/australia-post-delivery-delays-revealed-in-terrifying-photo/news-story/53d4a3bbdb87bf3bd35f9f86636eff3b
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Still waiting for my copy of PW30; likely to be an issue with Royal Mail
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I replied by email 14th April 2022 because i had issues with my email system for a while.
I don't know if the email was processed but as of today 29th May I have not received my copy of the 30th issue of PW
regards Bob Smith
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Apparently the button did not work for me on the email we were sent to request a new copy. So, Jon never received my request for a copy to be sent to me.
There are no more copies available, and pdf's will not be shared for the reasons given before. I am a member of other clubs / organisations who don't seem to mind sharing pdf's of the newsletters - in fact some actively encourage downloading the latest magazine via pdf on the club's webpage when it comes out.
Now need to wait for the compilation of PW that will include number 30.
So it goes
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Bob,
Sorry to report that I do not have a record of the email. I checked through my inbox, and the list of items I sent for the reprint, even the ones I received after the end date - no luck.
Jon B