Pagoda SL Group
W113 Pagoda SL Group => Body, interior, paint, chrome, and cosmetic items => Topic started by: winston the browndog on February 26, 2021, 00:44:51
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Does anyone have or could take a picture of where and how the washer bottle mounts . I have 2 cars and both of them have the washer bottle just shoved down between the brake bolster and the flasher units , just siting there . Thanks for any help on the matter , Paul
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That’s where it goes. Some models (like mine) have a bracket that has a hook for one of the eyelets of the bottle.
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That’s where it goes. Some models (like mine) have a bracket that has a hook for one of the eyelets of the bottle.
Same with mine - fits snugly between brake booster and relay panel
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It is my belief that the hook was eliminated when the brake booster increased to 9" diameter from 8" diameter. According to Pagoda Notes Volume 11, No.1 of January, 2017, the brake booster was changed at chassis number 006619 on November 28, 1968. I don't have any proof that this is when the hook disappeared but to me it seems to tie together.
My car 007749 was build in January, 1969, and it does not have the hook. The bottle is just stuffed into the space available!
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Maybe it needs to be distinguished between automatic and manual.
The bracket A 113 295 01 40 replaced by A 113 290 00 86 was primarily for clutch fluid reservoir.
For the US version I have this bracket for LHD and Manual. The note says until chassis 0 02979 (for 113044).
For the non-US version I do not have this note. For non-US it just says it is for Manual.
I have 1970 automatic, Euro and I have that bracket. I had factory options that required additional fuse box. Maybe that is why I got the bracket.
It is never very straightforward....
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I have a 1971 Euro Automatic and do not have the bracket
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Hmmm, interesting issue. My car is July 1970 build 019633, USA model, manual trans. I acquired the car "disassembled" but with many parts including an 8" brake booster which I have always thought was correct for the car. I am just getting ready to send the booster off to Power Brake Exchange to ensure proper operation before installing. I also have two 9" boosters from sedans.
Now I am wondering if I should be sending one of the 9" boosters off. Any guidance is appreciated. TIA
Lee
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I have a 1971 Euro Automatic and do not have the bracket
Did you have any factory options that required the additional fuse box next to the booster?
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No. Don't know what options that would be.
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Hello Paul,
Mine is a 1966 230SL manual (Italian) model. Mine has had this configuration since I bought it in 1987. I restored it but didn't change that.
Tom Kizer
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No. Don't know what options that would be.
Fog lights, for example, heated rear window.
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Have rear fog light and heated window in hardtop. Thought my headlights had integrated fog lights. I have to check if I have the fuse box. I know I don't have the bracket.
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washer bottle mount on a 1965 RHD.
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washer bottle mount on a 1965 RHD.
That is a completely different story and a different bracket, for RHD only.
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Have rear fog light and heated window in hardtop. Thought my headlights had integrated fog lights. I have to check if I have the fuse box. I know I don't have the bracket.
I am trying to look for regularities here. When fog lights (including rear I think) and heated rear window were options, their powering was effected through that auxiliary fuse box (from what I have seen). That fuse box needed that bracket - so it was present. We know that in the late US cars some of these options were actually a standard equipment. Curious how they are fused in your car - maybe they came up with a different solution there not requiring that fuse box and bracket used for these devices when they were options. But I may be totally wrong.
I had rear heated window option as well as rear fog light option on Euro car and I have that bracket (1970).
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Mine is a March 1970 build US Spec
Automatic with fusebox but no hook for washer bottle.
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When you ship your booster protect the plastic sleeve around where the pedal shaft enters. That part is no longer available and if it breaks it's game over.
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Mine is a March 1970 build US Spec
Automatic with fusebox but no hook for washer bottle.
Ok, so that is how the fuse box was resolved.
So I would come back to the note from my previous post: "For the US version I have this bracket for LHD and Manual. The note says until chassis 0 02979 (for 113044)". I think I made a mistake and this 0 02979 is for 113043, not 113 044, sorry. There are two parts numbers for this bracket, both until chassis 0 02979 - A 113 290 00 86 and A 113 295 02 40 (both for LHD manual). Perhaps there is a mistake in the footnote in the EPC and one of them should say "as of" not "until". But then I cannot find part numbers for 113044 for e.g. clutch fluid reservoir (changed also at 113 043 02979). So I am lost here.
For the non-US version I do not have this note for the bracket it is there only for clutch fluid reservoir (but not indicated it is for 113043 028979, that is why I made a mistake before). Bracket changes number once, without info when. For non-US it just says it is for Manual.
Perhaps if someone has manufacturing specs changes earlier than what I enclosed, it would show something.
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I thought I remember a discussion before and it was determined that the bracket was somehow connected to the clutch reservoir for the later 280SL. I have an automatic.
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It definitely is. and Daimler came up, i think, with a simpler, less expensive bracket if auxiliary fuse box was needed for options. I only wonder how the clutch reservoir was fitted (or maybe manual was not offered in the US?) and why is threr a difference between US/Canada and rest of world.
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We are missing one setup here . There is also a very late setup where the fuse box is in line with the washer bottle. Might be manual transmission only?
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Mine, late Euro Auto, looks exactly like Pat's. Just much dirtier and the water bottle aged and in poor shape ::) ;D ;D
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Looks like they just abandoned the hook for Euro as well at some stage - late stage...
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Here is a shot of mine. US Specification, Chassis 007749, January 1969 production, 4 Speed Manual transmission.
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Ok, looks like, at least for the US, as the booster grew bigger, they changed the bracket to one without a hook, perhaps with the chassis number quoted before. There was a bracket for fluid reservoir, additional for fuse box, there was just no hook element.
For automatic, as there was space, fuse box went straight to the bracket where in manual reservoir was. Could be that they just stayed with the previous type of bracket for some time.
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9/69 built US-spec automatic, no hook
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280 year 08.1968.
I've converted to the late booster and holder. I still have the holder for the liquid container, but I can no longer use it.
So that makes sense with the late ones.
Peter
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You could, I think, if you turn the bottle 180 degrees. The hangers eyelets may not be in the middle of the bottle. But it is true, that the hook is obsolete here. I mean - may happen that on a sudden hard braking you will find your bottle next to battery... so I think it is better to have it, if you have it.
Enclosing mine as well. Automatic, Euro, March 70. All brackets were black.