Pagoda SL Group

W113 Pagoda SL Group => Items for Sale => Topic started by: mmizesko on July 21, 2019, 18:24:24

Title: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: mmizesko on July 21, 2019, 18:24:24
I think I have about 9 correct 113 Tool Kits for sale.  With centering guides, Fuse Kits, Fuse pullers, Star on the Water Pump Pliers.  Rare as hens teeth.  $975 each plus postage.  PM me if interested.  Tools part of kits only.

Mike Mizesko
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: wayne R on July 22, 2019, 08:06:22
Mike ,would you mind advising  me ,with my tool kit,
it has 5  spanners  4 are Dowidat and 1 is a Walter, see in photo  13x17
should  this also be a Dowidat , as i have never seen a  13x17 Dowidat
for sale -----is there such a size.
i have---8x10
            11x13
            14x17
            17x19
and the Walter is  13x17--thankyou.
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: mmizesko on July 23, 2019, 18:42:19
Dowidat never made one with the Mercedes Branding that I've ever seen.  Mercedes added 13mm bolts and nuts sometime in the late 1960's, perhaps at the 250SL or 280SL change.  I am not sure if they discontinued the 14mm.  I'd have to ask Joe or someone more experienced than I.  Earlier kits did not include a 13mm wrench.

So it depends on your model year.  Every kit I provide has a 5th wrench, the Walter 17x13.

If you have it, it can't hurt.

Let me know if you have any questions.  I browsed the model year changes chronologically, and couldn't find the crossover date.

Regards,

Mike
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: mbpaul on July 23, 2019, 20:08:00
The wrenches in my 1966 230SL have Mercedes Benz on one side and Dowidat on the other.  One is a 10X13 wrench.  I think these are the ones that came with this car but since I have had more than 10 Mercedes, I could have mixed them up at some time.

I also have a Mercedes Benz/Heyco 13X17 wrench in my tool box (not in the 230SL).  Not sure where or when it came from.
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: wayne R on July 23, 2019, 22:19:27
Thank you Mike for that information.
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: mmizesko on July 24, 2019, 20:41:11
MB Paul:

Wayne's set is Standard issue in all the kits I'm aware of.

8x10
11x13
14x17
17x19

Who the heck knows where the 10x13 is from... 

The more I learn, the more confused I look.

Mike
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: wayne R on July 25, 2019, 06:06:10
Just to confirm , photos  to show.
If any body has a Dowidat din895----13x17 i will gladly
swamp it for my  Walter din895------ 13x17---its my odd ball
one in my kit, and ill pay shipping.  regards. 
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: Jonny B on July 25, 2019, 22:34:15
I will check my inventory when I get back to the house.

Update, I have only one 17X13 and it is branded Walter.
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: mmizesko on July 26, 2019, 21:30:49
I've got 100 of these mercedes marked wrenches, and the only 17x13's are the Walters.  Good Luck in finding one.  If I ever see one, I'll let you know.

Mike
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: wayne R on July 27, 2019, 06:44:24
I've got 100 of these mercedes marked wrenches, and the only 17x13's are the Walters.  Good Luck in finding one.  If I ever see one, I'll let you know.

Mike
Thank you Mike,------.
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: mbzse on July 27, 2019, 09:22:09
Quote from: wayne R
.../...my  Walter din895------ 13x17---its my odd ball.../...
Sudden interest for these 13x17 wrenches?  ???
They were never part of the tool rolls delivered with our Pagoda cars from factory.
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: mbzse on July 27, 2019, 09:31:24
Quote from: mmizesko
.../...Mercedes added 13mm bolts and nuts sometime in the late 1960's.../...I am not sure if they discontinued the 14mm.../...
As mentioned before, the M8 hardware was changed in the DIN industrial norm in 1965. Before that, M8 had a 14mm hex (nuts and bolt heads). After, this was 13mm.
So, the entire industry, including automotive of course, started using 13mm key width. More nimble, and some less weight in a machine too.
14mm wrench ends (14x17) were indeed retained and needed in the M-B tool kit, because some fittings on the car have this size even after 1965.
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: 66andBlue on July 27, 2019, 19:33:27
Heyco made 17x13 wrenches for Mercedes as MB Paul wrote. The longer black 350 pre-Pagoda and later shorter DIN 895 models.

Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: wayne R on July 28, 2019, 00:38:06
Alfred you are a Champion, many thanks for that,
send me another PM, as i messed up the last one----regards Wayne.

Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: 66andBlue on July 28, 2019, 00:43:03
Sent you another one with the link.
Let me know if you have problems.
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: mmizesko on July 28, 2019, 15:24:47
Hans,

I have seen supposed "original" 280SL tool kits, and they did indeed have the Walter wrench in them.  I don't think most owners would go out and try to find one if the kit didn't have one.

Thanks for the input on the 14mm vs 13mm timing.

Regards,

Mike
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: wayne R on July 28, 2019, 22:34:49
Many Thanks  Jonny B, Mike, and others,especially Alfred
for finding  a Dowidat 13x17 wrench for me, from Germany.
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: wayne R on July 29, 2019, 02:45:19
Forgot to mention ---Mike and Hans----You are  correct re the wrench,
this one does not have the word  Mercedes on it,  has,
13x17  Dowidat------Germany, on one side,and the other side is
13x17  Din 895------standard material with a very smal 1/4 inch circle at end.
But im happy to obtain it,  can send photo  later if wanted, regards .
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: Nericlaster on October 08, 2021, 15:21:47
Do you still have the tool kits?
My contact is elaster@edificeinc.com
Thank you’
Eric laster
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: hmplatts@gmail.com on March 11, 2022, 14:00:18
Hello, I need a complete and correct tool kit for my 69 280SL, will begin touring it soon thanks!

Henry

Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: MikeSimon on March 11, 2022, 17:57:33
I can always add and muddle the picture a little:

I have several 17x14 Wrenches. Matador, Heyco and Dowidat. They ALL say Mercedes Benz on them. Including the Dowidat
I also have a 17x13 Walter.
And a 14x11 Dowidat. Again, all Mercedes Benz
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: MikeSimon on March 11, 2022, 17:59:20
Walter 17x13
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: MikeSimon on March 11, 2022, 18:01:23
Dowidat 14x11
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: MikeSimon on March 12, 2022, 16:48:23
I searched the Tech Manual and all my records for a list of the correct on-board tools in the kit for a 1970/71 280SL and could not find anything.
Does anybody dare to post the complete list?
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: MikeSimon on March 13, 2022, 18:18:20
Never mind fellas! The memory is the first to go. ::) Looking through my records I found a complete thread about this from 2 years ago which I printed out!
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: Pawel66 on March 13, 2022, 18:48:46
Would you mind posting link? i was about to start looking for it...
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: MikeSimon on March 13, 2022, 19:29:14
Sure, Pawel:

https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=31015.0
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: Pawel66 on March 13, 2022, 19:32:09
Thank you!
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: MikeSimon on March 13, 2022, 19:46:47
I've got 100 of these mercedes marked wrenches, and the only 17x13's are the Walters.  Good Luck in finding one.  If I ever see one, I'll let you know.

Mike

This looks like it has a 17-13 Dowidat and a 14-11??

https://www.ebay.com/itm/194612624008?hash=item2d4fd0fa88:g:PR0AAOSwxOJht7Jp
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: MikeSimon on March 13, 2022, 19:55:51
To continue to beat the dead horse: My lugwrench has the same part-number as most others that I have seen, i.e.: 120 581 02 46. HOWEVER, it does not have the flattened handle end (to remove the hubcap, I suppose). Could it be that the Bundt wheel cars did not have that?
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: Pawel66 on March 13, 2022, 20:43:16
Mike, maybe some clues here: https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=27173.msg194861#msg194861
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: MikeSimon on March 14, 2022, 19:26:31
That's it. Thank you, Pawel!
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: MikeSimon on March 26, 2022, 19:55:56
The questions do not end :o: On my hunt for original 300 Heyco Pliers (Wasserpumpenzange) I keep seeing a black "Walter" piece. What model(s) was this supplied for?
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: Jonny B on March 27, 2022, 14:51:22
I believe these were for the early cars, like the 300 SLs, 190 SLs, some pontons.

Here is a like to an excellent source on tool kits for the early cars:
http://www.mbzponton.org/valueadded/maintenance/toolkit.htm

If you follow the first link it leads to a pdf of a detailed explanation of the kits.
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: mmizesko on March 27, 2022, 15:45:44
Correctamundo JonnyB!
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: Pearson3388 on March 28, 2022, 02:34:28
Could you please email me pictures and a breakdown and everything you get to my email
Davidpearsontx@gmail.com
Thanks David Pearson
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: Jonny B on March 28, 2022, 16:30:42
David,

Not clear on what you are asking for, or who you are asking. We are glad to help, but need some detail.
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: mnahon on March 28, 2022, 20:51:03
I think he meant to post in this thread:
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=34456.0
Title: Re: Complete and Correct Tool Kits for sale
Post by: john.mancini on March 28, 2022, 21:17:29
Mike, At least you remembered that you forgot ;D ;D