Pagoda SL Group
W113 Pagoda SL Group => Body, interior, paint, chrome, and cosmetic items => Topic started by: stickandrudderman on January 27, 2019, 23:54:36
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Some of you will recall that a few years ago I had a shell 3D scanned and then reverse engineered some jig brackets from it. I wouldn’t be at al surprised if I am the only person in the world with these brackets that are designed to bolt to a universal jig bench.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/d7vnjzmip0fgy1j/Video%2020-12-2018%2C%2012%2011%2039.mp4?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/d7vnjzmip0fgy1j/Video%2020-12-2018%2C%2012%2011%2039.mp4?dl=0)
All the pictures so far can be found here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lajibtvekj4kb5o/AAAxkrnVhMKqnsNK-cuJPou3a?dl=0
(https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lajibtvekj4kb5o/AAAxkrnVhMKqnsNK-cuJPou3a?dl=0)
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That's almost as scary as watching the "day of the Triffids"
That jig is amazing
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whats left of the original car to weld to?
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The heater core, obviously ;D
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That is so much worse than mine it is scary. That makes the "Submarine of Neckar" look restorable. My bodyman also made fixtures for his Celette bench after finding out how much Celette wanted for them. Ouch.
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It's been a while but it's starting to take shape!
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Looks great. More pics please!
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How much do you think it will take to do a job like that?
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Colin,
I think i have all the CAD drawings for the jig. Maybe i can start a business. ;D ;D ;D :(
Garry
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Colin,
I think i have all the CAD drawings for the jig. Maybe i can start a business. ;D ;D ;D :(
Garry
You tell me this after I went to all the trouble of having drawings done and the jig brackets made? :)
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How much do you think it will take to do a job like that?
In hours or money?
Either way this owner is just happy to have the car rebuilt.
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You have forgotten, Aquila Engineering did the drawings!!!!!!!
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Oh yeh! :o
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So, after 10 months she's off the jig and on to the spit for final work before she goes off to be acid dipped (again) and electroprimed.
A couple of taster pictures here but plenty more at this link:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wqk7515rg19cv5i/AACucDQghyYile4kJriz_GxWa?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wqk7515rg19cv5i/AACucDQghyYile4kJriz_GxWa?dl=0)
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simply amazing Colin!
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In hours or money?
Either way this owner is just happy to have the car rebuilt.
I suppose each are required so might as well go with both. It might help someone to decide if a project like this makes sense.
How did you make out with the engine you were trying to sort out?
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In strict monetary terms a project like this can never make sense but thankfully, even if rarely, it’s not always about the money.
What engine?
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In strict monetary terms a project like this can never make sense but thankfully, even if rarely, it’s not always about the money.
What engine?
230SL?
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I think you’re referring to an engine I was having trouble with that kept smoking, in which case I ended up buying a new cylinder head from MB.
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Wow and I thought my body was bad :O
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Colin,
Can that jig of yours accommodate a 220SEB Cabrio? My front end is ...."not as per specification"
Cheers
Peter
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Beautiful work. an amazing project. Even if the work is not cost effective the fact that restoration at this level is even contemplated is an indicator that our cars are more valuable and appreciated as each year passes. thank you for sharing this project.
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Colin,
Dare I ask what original sheet metal remains? Dash, transmission tunnel, firewall and partial cross braces?
This has to be the most extensive pagoda restoration ever, and the experience it requires to pull of such a feat boggles my mind!
John
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Colin,
Can that jig of yours accommodate a 220SEB Cabrio? My front end is ...."not as per specification"
Cheers
Peter
Sorry, no. It’s specifically for 113.
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Colin,
Dare I ask what original sheet metal remains? Dash, transmission tunnel, firewall and partial cross braces?
This has to be the most extensive pagoda restoration ever, and the experience it requires to pull of such a feat boggles my mind!
John
Front chassis rails, front bulkhead, dash, tunnel, rear cross member, rear bulkhead and soft top stowage bin, rear shock towers and aluminium panels. Oh, and the glove box lid and air intake flap!
I have been repairing these cars for 40 years and for the first 35 years I wouldn’t have contemplated it!
For clarity I am not the panel beater but I am the one who knows what the panel beater needs to do so that it’s right.
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Amazing talent to do that job. If I was doing it I would get it all together then stand back and realize the car is setting crooked or something!
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Hi guys,
Writing you guys from sunny Portugal, where I own a restoration shop.
Long story short, I am looking for celette fixtures to restore a W113 250SL. To help matters it also had a crash!
So, after reading this post I though maybe I on to something here.
Maybe, Garry or Colin could please let me know how to get my hand on such kit? If you have any can, I rent it from you guys? Or if you have the blueprints... anything so I could move forwards with this.
For me, there isn’t any other way of restoring these cars. So I am really adamant on using our bench to straighten the chassis and be sure every part is where it should be!
As a side note, I don’t get it how Celette doesn’t rent these anymore. It’s a piece of cake getting one for a 911, even for a Golf Mk1 we had recently they were available... With the amount of Pagodas being restored it should be readily available... :(
Can anyone please help me?
Thanks,
F
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Front chassis rails, front bulkhead, dash, tunnel, rear cross member, rear bulkhead and soft top stowage bin, rear shock towers and aluminium panels. Oh, and the glove box lid and air intake flap!
I have been repairing these cars for 40 years and for the first 35 years I wouldn’t have contemplated it!
For clarity I am not the panel beater but I am the one who knows what the panel beater needs to do so that it’s right.
The only place I know who can do work like this the guy we visited near Lake Eire. Not for the faint of heart.
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Here's a photo of our car on the measuring machine at the coach builder, whose shop is near Lake Erie. I think this is the place Dan is referring to. Sorry to say that most of my photos were taken with a previous generation mobile phone, and are poorly focussed.
You can see the "rulers" below and beside the car's body. There's also lasers underneath to ensure the lines are straight.
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What city is this coach builder in around Lake Erie?
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It's near a really small village called Erieau on the north shore of lake Erie about a half hour south of Chatham Ontario. We ended the Meeting of the Clans event at the Bayside Brewery in Erieau where we had a late lunch.
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Do try these companies who may rent out a fixtures kit for the W113 on Celette
https://www.richtsatzverleih-eckert.com
https://www.n2h-stommel.gmbh according to some have one available too
Good luck!
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Thank you Peter!
I will contact them, and let you know if I had any luck.
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Hi guys,
Just to let you all know, I had no luck in finding the Celette kit... :'(
I’ll keep on searching.
Best,
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So back from the electro-plating process and time to start the long haul back to being a car again!
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You did well to get that under cover before the rain started
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https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wqk7515rg19cv5i/AACucDQghyYile4kJriz_GxWa?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/wqk7515rg19cv5i/AACucDQghyYile4kJriz_GxWa?dl=0)
Exactly one year in to the rebuild!
Some more progress pictures added.
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stick
Your work is absolutely amazing! I see that you are re-leading the seams. Are you metal finishing everything?
john
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Yes John, but we will use some very small amounts of filler in final stages.
Thanks for the compliment.
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You and your team have serious skills and patience. Beautiful and impressive work!
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Slowly, slowly.....
A little teaser for you!