Pagoda SL Group
W113 Pagoda SL Group => Body, interior, paint, chrome, and cosmetic items => Topic started by: admin on December 31, 2002, 15:13:44
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Tool kit; and Tool Kit from 280 SL with box of fuses (box of fuses still available), top handles with case, and jack. Achim Ahlert, Oct 2002.
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I am trying to sort out my tool kit. The photo (for the SL tool kit)attached to this Dec 31, 2002post was very helpful, but it appears that 3 of the pockets are empty. Can anyone tell me what is (or is supposed to be) in them?
Thanks
Gus
inspectorgm
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Hello Gus,
The pictured tool kits are complete. It was not uncommon for the tool pouches to have extra pockets. Some of the 280SL tool kits did have one additonal item, a black plastic fuse puller.
Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
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Joe,
I have some questions so that I can replace my missing tool kit.
Were the tool kits for the 230 and 250 the same type as shown in the pics of the original post? or were they the roll type?
Did the fabric colour match the colour of the car?
Do they all have the MB star logo on them somewhere?
Thanks
Bob Smith (Brisbane,Australia)
RHD,1967 early 250 SL, auto
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My tool kit has been compromised. I don't know how or when but a few of my tools are missing. I need quantities and sizes of the various tools so I can begin the process of of replacing them. Thanks!
1969 280sl 5 spd
Gainesville, Fl.
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Off Topic: A long time ago, before I graduated to Mercedes, I was an air-cooled VW fan. These Hazet Hub Cap tool boxes are much sought after. I think they even make reproductions now.
(http:// uploaded/psmith/20081905728_HazetHubBox.JPG )
Pete S.
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Hauser,
There is a listing of sizes and such in the 113 manual. I am traveling and not able to check my kit. The pictures show the plastic handle for the screwdriver, I have a wooden one, but not sure when or if a change was made for the 113 kits. The pictures do not show the wheel centering tool, but that is available fairly regularly ( as a repro) on ebay.
Jonny B
1967 250SL Auto
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Originally posted by Jonny B
Hauser,
There is a listing of sizes and such in the 113 manual. I am traveling and not able to check my kit. The pictures show the plastic handle for the screwdriver, I have a wooden one, but not sure when or if a change was made for the 113 kits.
I know the earlier 280 SLs had a wood-handled screwdriver, so the change to the plastic handle happened sometime in the early days of the 280 SL. Those wood-handled screwdrivers are quite hard to find today, so it's a good thing you still have yours, JonnyB
Douglas Kim
New York
USA
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Check out the Technical Manual... http://www.sl113.org/wiki/pmwiki.php?n=Accessories.Toolkit
Peter
1970 280SL. Also known as 'admin@sl113.org' and organiser of the Technical Manual (http://www.sl113.org/wiki/pmwiki.php).
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The various wrenches in the kits shown in the Wiki manual are all gray/chrome colored. In the text it is stated that tools had a black finish until 1960.
Somewhere I read (or perhaps I was told) that the early 230SL kits also had dark (black?) colored tools. Is that correct?
[And I don't mean tools that turned from gray to black because of use and grease. :) ]
Alfred
1966 blue 230SL automatic
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230SL tool kit has a very similar back but because of the spare tire on the early model being turned upright, the took kit was hung via two slots in the bag at the back side of the trunk by the tailights. The spare tire tool was clipped in place as well.
Later tools kits received different fuse pliers and perhaps a couple of different tools. All tool rolls were made out of extra MB Tex from the upholstery left over. This included canvas softtop material.
The inside was a green material with the Mercedes-Benz name and star embossed.
Bob Geco
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The Tech Manual says that some 113 cars might have come with the red canvas tie string tool kit(perhaps when the factory ran out of snap covers.) But one of our most venerated advisors here belives that no cars came with a tie string case.
A survey of second or third generation car owners won't help since a red kit could have been added later on...only a first owner (or a hand-me-down owner) can help sort this out.
Does anyone have or know someone who has had a Pagoda since "birth" and "knows" that the car came with a red tie string tool kit?
Richard M
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The red cloth kit isn't even from the same era, so it's most definitely not correct, Richard.
Douglas Kim
New York
USA
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I believe the transition from snaps to string tie was during the R107 period....early on for that matter.
Best Regards,
J. P. Mose
1968 250SL
1987 560SL
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Originally posted by JPMOSE
I believe the transition from snaps to string tie was during the R107 period....early on for that matter.
Best Regards,
J. P. Mose
1968 250SL
1987 560SL
Very early 107 have string ties. Mine SN# is 00060
Happy Benzing
Darryl, Hill
350 SL4.5 #60
1967 250sl "California"
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... but what about the color of the tools in the bag??
Did the very early 230SL toolkits contain black or chrome wrenches?
I hope somebody has the answer, perhaps Douglas or Achim?
Alfred
1966 blue 230SL automatic
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Black or silver tools for an early 230 SL? I honestly don't know & would hate to guess. The early cars are unique, but for what it's worth, here's the definitive site on Ponton tools:
http://www.mbzponton.org/valueadded/maintenance/toolkit.htm
I'm going to leave the last word on this to Achim who knows an awful lot about the early models. (And the late ones too!)
Douglas Kim
New York
USA
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Douglas, thanks for the link.
Looks like the black tools went out around 1960/61, so I would assume that the 230SL toolkit started out with chrome tools.
Alfred
1966 blue 230SL automatic
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Alfred & Douglas,
Thank you very much for your kind words ... but, no!
Achim <<should>> know :? ... because he was born 2 weeks after the white-colored VIN 113042-10-000001 was presented on the Geneva car show in March 1963.
So, there was clearly plenty of time to observe and follow up all the little changes during the early production run especially of the 230ies - and of course also of the different tool kit sets.
Unfortunately I am afraid I was at that time busier with crying, sleeping & milk drinking (Ma perhaps remembers better) than recording all these highly interesting things for us connoisseurs...[:(!]
Bad ... too bad. Now it's too late.
No, sorry I am not. I am no expert whatsoever but I like to look at, to observe, to compare and to remember all what I have ever seen about the 113 or heard of.
OK, the toolkits.
Spare pars list 10126 230 SL Edition C (as of January 1967) says 1125800203 is the correct toolkit for the 230SL (and also until the production stop of the 280 SL). This part is obviously still available from DaimlerChrysler for actually 225.60 Euros including 19 % VAT.
Naj told us a while ago that he ordered it and got one with the later 107/115 type cloth bag with straps - which is not like the multi-layer vinyl or softtop material snap type roll that we are confident to be correct for our SLs.
OK, this doesn't answer your questions. But:
1. I recently got a picture from the red vinyl toolkit of a very early 230 and clearly the tools are non-chromed but somehow "black" (anodized or plain metal, slightly rusted or anything else), so, in the typical Ponton style as Doug described.
Since that car was restored but otherwise appeared to me to be highly authentic, I believe this is original.
2. The above mentioned number (A112 580 02 03) valid from before 1967 on replaced a former parts number, however, without clear indication from which serial on. This "old" number was somehow like 112 580 00 03 or so. This means something in the old kit was different. I always believed it was the wooden handle screw driver. But since others here reported that their much later cars have sometimes wooden handle screw drivers as well something else must have been the reason for this part number change. The "chrome/non-chrome" change therefore makes a lot of sense (or the omission of one tool or so).
3. A couple of years ago a brand new SL toolkit sold on ebay for tons of money. Before auction it was still sealed in its plastic bag reading "230 SL and 300 SL" in big letters on it. I believed this was somehow "falsified" perhaps by the seller, I believe it should have read "230 SL and 300 SE". BEcause why should the 300 SL roadster and the newly introduced pagoda share the same toolkit. Does the latest parts list of the 300 SL prove that? I don't know.
Anyway, the seller opened the plastic bag and all tools where new: chromed tools and wooden-handle screw driver.
4. There was a booklet available from the Verlag Delius Klasing publishers in Germany released in 1965 (I've got a 1990ies reprint of that). The title is "Gefahren und geprüft, 1000 Fahrer beurteilen ihren 230 SL". Translation: "Driven and tested, 1000 drivers (or owners) judge their 230 SL. OK, one owner's comment in there said: "Throwed that old tool kit away because it was rusted. Got a new one."
This means that there were already some rust problems with his original tool kit. And this is typical I think for the early non-chromed (anodized or uncoated) tools in comparison the chromed ones.
Yes, yes, I know, also the chromed tools tend to rust - but within a year from new or so?
Summarizing all these stupid follow-ups and observations above by me,
I am really certain that the early tools were black (non-plated) until ... I don't know.
Best is for the "originality aficionados" (like me) to collect several of these tool kits - and even better than best is to collect different ones - and fine.
Probably we should just part out a few 190 SL or other Ponton tool kits in order to "built" and "collect" together an early 230 SL black toolkit.
;) :D 8) . If those weren't so expensive ... :x
Best,
Achim
(Magdeburg, Germany)
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Sorry please...
Here is the picture.
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Try to get a more detailled one -
- but this can take some time.
Best,
Achim
(Magdeburg, Germany)
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Oh no .... :x
Just compared the old-style pic with the above ones in the inital post.
OK, the chromed tools in the early kit were certaily added later.
And the wheel jack's handle belongs stored into the spindle of the jack - these are minor observations.
But the bag looks different, the right side bow of the flap is stronger curved and the chrome buttons of the roll have a different position. I am even not sure about the number of pockets each toolkit has (between 8 and 10 - hard to say without having the original part in front of myself).
100s of differences here .... :evil: :( , oh no. I haven't been aware of all that...[:0]
But even more important: how about the open mouth spanners?
OK, we are aware that the brand names changed from Hazet to Matador and perhaps also others (Dowidat?) do apply.
But how about the widths? WIKI says 10/14, 14/17 (and so on). Is this true? Shouldn't the later tools have 13 (millimeter) wide tools like my 114 has? Please, where do you 280 owners have M8 screws with a 14 mm wide head? Barely anywhere or?
Now I really need to compare my few tools I have in Tecklenburg and certainly:
Get a couple of perfect 190 SL and other Ponton tool kits and part these out! :D
Achim
(parts, knowledge and toolkit collector)
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Hello Achim,
I see a diesel glow plug wrench in that picture also!
Hope all is well with you.
Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
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I'm guessing this toolkit is not original?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-Tool-Kit-w113-230sl-250sl-280sl-Used-Good_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ42606QQihZ015QQitemZ250230117731QQtcZphoto
Waqas in Austin, Texas
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Originally posted by waqas
I'm guessing this toolkit is not original?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-Tool-Kit-w113-230sl-250sl-280sl-Used-Good_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ42606QQihZ015QQitemZ250230117731QQtcZphoto
Waqas in Austin, Texas
While some of the tools look the part, not all of them do, and thus it is not as described. Not original.
Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red 568G w/Black Leather (Restored)
President, International Stars Section
Mercedes-Benz Club of America
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I have seen this, or similar, for sale before, with the "Mercedes Benz" tag on the outside and the clasps. This is not original for the 113 cars, and I have no idea what model it might have come from. As Mike says, a few of the tools look original. More like an amalgam of things to my eye.
Jonny B
1967 250SL Auto
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It seems ever more common for many ebay sellers to put things in their descriptions that are just not accurate with regard to an items originality, correctness, and value to our cars so it is very much a buyer beware situation especially for new owners when looking for parts on ebay.... and other sources as well.
This is an example of what makes these forums so valuable, although I have a lot yet to learn I've gained quite a bit of knowledge in a short period of time, hopefully I can pass it along to those that come after just as I have learned from many of you.
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Originally posted by Jonny B
I have seen this, or similar, for sale before, with the "Mercedes Benz" tag on the outside and the clasps. This is not original for the 113 cars, and I have no idea what model it might have come from. As Mike says, a few of the tools look original. More like an amalgam of things to my eye.
Jonny B
1967 250SL Auto
Mark
1970 280 SL Ivory/Cognac