Pagoda SL Group
W113 Pagoda SL Group => Body, interior, paint, chrome, and cosmetic items => Topic started by: chatntoo on November 20, 2014, 15:20:36
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Restoring a 1971 280sl with full size hubcaps and will need a painting mask for the hubcaps if someone has one or knows where I can find one...thanks.
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The Group has one that passes around between the Full Members only. As it happens I have it at the moment and will be done in a couple of weeks. I am then passing it to another member in the USA who in turn would pass it to you. The rules that have been working is that who ever has it is responsible for postage to the next member.
Send me a PM reminder and I will pass the name on to you for the next move.
Garry
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Or do this...
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Using tape is not that big of a deal, about 30 minutes a cap. Using flexible blue auto masking tape (not the 3M house painting blue tape) makes the curves reasonably easy to do. The 1/4" tape is exactly right for the circle bump around the star. The lines are crisper, but I will concede that is not how the factory ones look.
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Thanks Gary : Let me know when I am next and give me the name and address of the person I am supposed to contact for the painting mask.
David B Hay
chatntoo@hotmail.com
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I had another member waiting on me for the Hub Caps Stencil but also last contact indicated that they may use masking..
I have lost the contact for that person so if they read this can they contact me by PM in the next couple of days if they want the Stencil.
Otherwise, I will send on to Davidl later next week as I have now completed my caps. If they then still want them then David can forward on.
Garry
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I didn't know about the group stencil. Is there one for the smaller early hubcaps? I'm about to attack mine.
Gerry
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It was a stencil donated by a member several years ago after he had done his caps and it has been floating around the world between members.
You are able to use it, the only requirement is that it is your responsibility to advertise available on the Forum and to post it to the next member where ever he/she may be in the world. A bit of pot luck on the postage. I am sending it to USA next and as far as I know David, below post, is to be the next person unless I have adivce from another who has got lost in the fog.
Have just completed mine last night for my 230 in 350G.
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It's best to use fine line tape which as another forum member mentioned takes 30 minutes a rim. For those who are on facebook you can go on the Mercedes Classic Center page and see that even the classic center uses fine line tape rather than the stencil.
see pictures on :
https://www.facebook.com/MBClassicCenter/photos/pb.104225860829.-2207520000.1416790189./10153222237395830/?type=3&theater
Here are a few shots of a recent set I did for my 280SE coupe
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Yep,
Some like originality and the original look that is slightly fuzzy and some like the modern sharp lines. Another example is the over spray in the wheels or underneath the car.
Bit like colour, everyone has a preference I guess, and there is no “best”
Meanwhile, stencil is on its way from Australia to John in Bolder CO and will then pass to David after that.
Garry
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Hi David--
Please send it to me when you are finished. The picture looks like it for the small cover, which is what I need.
Thanks,
The other Joe
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I just finished my 250SL wheels the old fashioned way with the tape. I think the result was very good. I was told that the stencil does leave the result more fuzzy.
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Here is the second set I did. One set for when the hardtop is on and a second set for when the top is off.
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They look nice and sharp but as I said in an earlier post, If you are going for originality then they dont cut it as the slightly fuzzy edges that a stencil gives cannot be reproduced with the taping method. ;)
In my case I am trying to get my car as close to original as possible and thus used the stencil for one set of hubcaps and have a second set that I have taped for use on the car when I regularly drive it. :D
I havent yet been able to reproduce the paint blowby on the wheels and under the car that some have gone to great lengths to do. :o
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Masks are on their way to David Hay on Monday...then he will forward to the next in line within this Thread.
Happy Holidays.
John
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The biggest problems with masking method, is you can get heavy paint build-up at the masking tape. The stencil prevents this. With the masking method, use just enough and not too much paint for best results.
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Joe,
Do you run a sharp knife around the tape before removal?
Garry
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Garry,
When I did a couple of sets for a good friend of mine some years back, I was very careful to pull of the tape before it had dried too hard. The one thing that I remember needing to be very careful about was not touching the paint surface as I stripped the tape. I did not run a knife around the edges.
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Have not received the painting mask yet and am not ready to paint as yet so send me your info and I will pass them along to you.
David Hay
chatntoo@hotmail.com
804-307-5376
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Masks are on their way to David Hay on Monday...then he will forward to the next in line within this Thread.
Happy Holidays.
John
Looks like PTOONER (Gerry) is next in line after David Hay..... then, IXLR8.
I have provided the contact email info for Gerry to David.
Regards, John
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I am done with the hubcap stencil for now. Think you are next in line. What is your address??
David Hay
chatntoo@hotmail.com
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can I get on the list for the mask? I am getting very frustrated trying to tape mine. I'm getting good at stripping them of all the paint and polishing the edges though.
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David,
How did it go with the painting. Did you master the art with out too many tries and strip backs? :P
It does take a bit to get it right. Took me two hubcaps (dog dish type) that I stripped the paint off before I got it right. I ended up taping the outer and used the stencil on the inner star. I think the art is to not spray to thick a coat each time and to ensure it gets into each corner of the triangle on the star.
Garry
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I sure could use the stencil also. Painted mine last night with tape. Paint came out great...
Need to be re-done, and I'm now an expert on stripping them.
How do I get in the list for the stensil also?
Thanks
Eric
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Is this stencil metal or some type of foam?
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The stencil is a semi-flexible rubber material,
g
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Here is a photo of the one owned by the Group and available to Full Members of the group thanks to the donation by a Member that is doing the rounds.
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I see. I'd pass on this and go with fine line tape. I tried one of these things once but maybe the one I used was not the same type or quality. My painter hated it and the customer complained. Generous effort by the members though.
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Dan,
It is a silicone rubber. Any spray on it just wipes off. Just a quick note on the stencil. My painter opted to mask with tape, after a few tries with the stencil I provided. At the tri star the stencil is quite deep, and hard to get the gun in there. Just an FYI, but the painter I used masks all the time, so it could have been easier for them, and they said it took less time than re-doing the hubcap.
Mike Mizesko
Columbus, OH
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Usually a task done many times will require less time than learning a new technique.
But IMO for anyone who has never painted a hubcap the stencil may require fewer trials. Provided of course one can read and look and follow these instructions: ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfH5JCapd4o#t=11
Note: The stencils (Type 4) shown in the video are for the one-piece wheel covers, they will NOT work with the two-piece covers, and the ones making the round here (Type 3) are not intended for one-piece covers.
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I think these were one piece covers. I'm thinking my painter wasn't familiar with the stencil but then I remember not liking the look of it before we even used it. I can't remember if the customer supplied it or where we found it but it went into the trash can shorty after.
I've never had an issue with fine line tape. However, a lot depends on how careful the application is done because it does affect the quality. I do agree that you want to use as little paint as possible.
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This appears to be the order for the Hub Cap Mask
Next is IXLR8 Joe
then Chatntoo David
then Bonnyboy Ian and
then eleonard.
Joe, Can you confirm that you still plann a hubcap paint with the stencil?
Garry
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The mask is been forwarded to IXLR8 (the other Joe) and then will be Chatntoo (David ) after that.
Bonnyboy and eleonard follow then Mario.
Garry
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Can I get on the list please?
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Mario,
You are No.4 on the list after it moves on from ‘the other Joe’ IXLR8.
Hows the painting going joe?
Garry
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Hi Garry,
Can I please follow Mario.
I send my postal address to Mario via PM ?
thanks
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Just all be aware that it is the responsibility of the current user to post on to the next recipient and it appears at the moment that it is usually about 6 weeks between each person on average so Mark you could be in for a six month wait or more and you may want to consider just taping the cap up.
Garry
List of people waiting for the Hub Cap Mask.
1. XLR8 ( the other Joe) Currently with Mask
2. Chatntoo ( David)
3. Bonnyboy (Ian)
4. Eleonard (Eric)
5. Mario (Mario)
6. Mark Evans (Mark)
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If this is for the smaller hubcaps I'd like to be put on the list too please, given 6 months I'll probably have settled on the colour!
Scott
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We are working on reproducing stencils for the hubcaps soon and they are going to be made of hard plastic with a magnet in the middle. Not all hubcaps are made of steel so a piece of metal on the back will hold the stencil still for paint.
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-56600775909668_2269_5101242
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Babak,
Are these for the one-piece wheel covers ONLY or are you also planning to make them for the two-piece hub caps??
And are you having this fellow make them for you again? http://www.retroplastic.com/classic-car-parts.html
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Scott it is for the small hubcaps as well.
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I have a new manufacturer I'm trying out.
The product is going to be high quality because the tool need to be precise.
I'm hoping to have them for early and late style hubcaps.
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This was the waiting list prepared by Garry as at 1 March:
1. XLR8 ( the other Joe) Currently with Mask
2. Chatntoo ( David)
3. Bonnyboy (Ian)
4. Eleonard (Eric)
5. Mario (Mario)
6. Mark Evans (Mark)
Who has the mask/stencil at the moment and when are they likely to move it on?
cheers
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stick me on there too please.
1. XLR8 ( the other Joe) Currently with Mask
2. Chatntoo ( David)
3. Bonnyboy (Ian)
4. Eleonard (Eric)
5. Mario (Mario)
6. Mark Evans (Mark)
7. Scottcorvette (Scott)
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Hello all,
You can remove me from the list. I sent the car out to a restoration shop (Gus in Houston) in March. I'm assuming he will be painting my hubcaps ;)
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Thanks Mario.
Can either of Chatntoo ( David), Bonnyboy (Ian) or Eleonard (Eric) please indicate if they have the mask and when they expect to finish with it.
many thanks
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I don't have it yet. so its somewhere before me.
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Calling David - are you there David ?????
Did you receive the mask from Joe yet and if so are you finished yet - can you send to Ian this week?
cheers
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OK - it seems that the Pagoda Groups hubcap painting mask has been lost between chatntoo & Bonnyboy.
David (chatntoo) used the mask some time ago and sent it on the next person on the list which is Ian (Bonnyboy) but...guess what....Ian has NOT received the mask.
Can anyone shed any more light on this or do we forget it??
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Hi--
I have the mask right now.
It is for the dog dish hubcap.
I will donate a mask for the full size wheel covers and send both to the next one on the list.
Please PM me with the name and address of the next recipient.
The other Joe
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Thanks Joe for confirming.
Bonnyboy is next - I guess Ian will email his details for you to forward ASAP.
Then the user list in chronological order is:
Eleonard (Eric)
Mark Evans (Mark)
Scottcorvette (Scott)
I think users should try and turnaround the mask within, say a month or move it on to the next person.
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They are Here!!!
Watch YouTube video on how to use:
https://youtu.be/FJ1E7veyLkQ
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Interesting video. How did you cover the outer rim?
Do you have another part like the original did, see photo?
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Hi Mark,
Could you please put my name on the list? I think I have 3 to 4 months to finish my car and would love to have the mask.
Thank you in advance.
Caio
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OK.
As of today the Hubcap Painting Mask User waiting list is:
Eleonard (Eric)
Mark Evans (Mark)
Scottcorvette (Scott)
cstinchi (Caio)
Ian - can you please give the group an approximate time when you expect to post the mask to Eric ?
Eric - can you send your postal details directly to Ian
Everyone - remember to try & move it on after a few weeks!
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Hello all.
Once I receive the masks I expect that it will only take me a couple weeks to get everything done.
They are in the mail already so they should arrive in my hands soon.
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I received the masks today at lunch. I took an extra 30 minutes for lunch, ran home and put 2 coats of paint on the hubcaps and they are now ready to head off to the next set. Not the greatest but better than masking tape.
Just waiting for eleonard to respond to me with an address and they can be on their way.
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Thanks Ian, postman delivered the masks yesterday.
Will repaint my hubs over the coming week or so.
Scott, as you are next on the list - Can you please PM me your postal address?
cheers
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Mark I have to send one of my hubcaps to be re-done so it is unlikely I will be ready by the time the mask arrives, maybe I could swap places with cstinchi?
If he is not in a rush then send it on to me but it is likely to be 6 weeks before I would be done with it at this rate, I'll be sending my centre cap away next week. I guess this will force my hand on the colour choice, it's looking anthracite at the moment....
I'll PM you my address anyway in case the other man is going to be even longer than I am.
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Mark and Scott,
I have sent a message to both of you re the Mask.
Scott made an offer of a donation to the Group and at the Group Board Meeting at the Weekend during PUB the Board decided that it may be better that Scott’s offer be converted into two extra hubcap masks one to be kept in UK/Europe and another in North America. I am still in the process of doing some research on masks available and anyone else that has had experience with one from one of the suppliers can PM me with comments on the performance of their mask so that we select the best one for use by the Group.
I also want to publicly thank Scott for his very kind offer that will be put to good use with the mask prevously donated to the Group from this point forward.
Garry
Membership Administrator
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One of our members, Scottcorvette, has offered to make a donation to the Group in appreciation of the help he has been getting from the Forum.
At PUB the Board discussed this offer and all agreed that the best thing that Scott could do was to purchase two additional stencils for hub cap painting, to add to the existing one that has floated around the world over the past couple of years. This way we could keep one in UK, one in USA and a third in Australia available to all Full Members for use on the understanding that they would then be responsible for forwarding the stencil to the next person wanting them.
This is an appeal for anyone who has used stencils on their hub caps to advise what they thought of the item and what brand it was that they used. I believe there are several different tyes out there.
Comments sought please
Garry
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I have a stencil that I never used. It is made of some sort of rubber. If anyone would like to try it let me know.
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Brad,
That is the same as the existing one that the Group has. I have used the inner part on my dog dish caps and it worked well. Maybe we should buy yours as the USA Group stencil and that way we only have to get one for UK.
Garry
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Let me know who needs it and I'll send it along. I have the 2 piece hubcaps so this will not fit mine. I originally bought it for my 280 SE 4.5 and no longer have the car.
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Brad,
I have used that same stencil on my Dog Dish hubcap, i.e. the two piece wheel trim I found the outer stencil unit did not work that well and taped the outer but the inner stencil worked well.
I neet to talk to Mark Evans here in Australia to see who was next on the list and will advise.
Garry
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We had horrible luck with a soft rubber type stencil once and I would not recommend it. The absolute best results are with fine line tape and a good painter. It may take more time to do but it's worth the effort.
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Hi Scott,
Please let me know what do I need to do. I do not mind waiting I'm ok time wise.
But if it comes now, I'll use it.
Thanks,
Caio
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Can you just hold on for the moment as Mark Evans had the list of those that had requested the mask and is managing it at the moment. Some have been waiting months for it to arrive from the last user.
Thanks
Garry
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Well I don't need it just yet so Cstinchi can have it before me if he likes.
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Hi Garry or Scott, I can wait. No problem.
Thanks,
Caio
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There appears to be two schools of thought on the value of of using a stencil for the hub caps. Some appear to find them fine and some hate them.
Has anyone tried the metal one with handle produced by BABAK?
Garry
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Brad,
I have contacted Mark. He will hold the one here for Australasia in the future. Can you sent your stencil to Caio Stinchi cstinchi and then when you are done with it please send it to Scott Scottcorvette
Scott, once you have finished with it can you hold on to it for UK Euro members that may want it. Meanwhile I will continue research into an additional one for to be held in USA and advise you separately on the way forward.
Garry
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Here is my $.02 regarding the flexible mask / stencil. It was just ok. Nothing spectacular but good enough for my use.
The outside stencil gave me a great line and I was very happy with it. The inside stencil however did not seem to allow the paint into the corners and I needed to spray the hubcaps three times to get enough paint in there. If I didn't spray three times there is a definate lack of paint. I just used a regular spray can from Lordco so no tight pattern HVLP guns. Results may vary.
If I had the opportunity to use the stencil again and I had another 5 beat up hubcaps would I use it again - absolutely. It was painless and quick and the edges were fine enough for me. Not even close to show quality but there is nothing on my car that is show quality.
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I fully agree with Ian about the inner stencil.
I have done 2 hubs with the stencil. (I previously tried masking last year with mixed results).
Its much quicker than masking by hand with tape - well you just place the stencil on the hub - versus 45 minutes taping it by hand!
Overall final result with the stencil is medium but for me was slightly better than my first taping effort.
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I sent an email to cstinchi.
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HI Garry,
i'll send back to steve when I'm finished.
brad, I already answered your email - Thank you very much all.
Regards,
Caio
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Hi new member here. Having my 69 restored this winter, would like to get on the hub cap stencil list.
Please advise. Thanks John
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There appears to be two schools of thought on the value of of using a stencil for the hub caps. Some appear to find them fine and some hate them. ....
IMO, the problem some have with these stencils may be caused by using the wrong type. When you buy a used one on eBay you never know what you really get. The manufacturer offers 9 different types, thus, the stencil for the center star among them is different: http://www.cbs-autoteile.de/lackiersterne.html?cat=18
For a 230SL/250SL 2-piece wheel cover you must have the Type 3: http://www.cbs-autoteile.de/lackiersterne/lackierstern-typ-3.html
For a 280SL 1-piece wheel cover you need a Type 4: http://www.cbs-autoteile.de/lackiersterne/lackierstern-typ-115.html
We had horrible luck with a soft rubber type stencil once and I would not recommend it.
Dan, do you know which type you had? Is a single experience really sufficient to blast them as useless?
As Bonnyboy typed you need to apply several thin coats at the corners - just as is shown in the company's video.
While it is tempting to use the type 4 (280SL) center star stencil on a 230SL "dog dish" hub cap the result may be disappointing since the dimensions are quite different as shown here:
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cstinchi
Can you please sent the stencil on to Johnsnr when you have finished using it. We are procuring a new one , thanks to the kind donation by Scott (Scottcorvette) to be held in the UK for the Europe needs, and there is one in Australia for this areas use.
Johnsnr. Once you have finished doing your hubcaps, can you let me know and I will provide the details of the next person in needing it in the Americas.
Garry
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There was a plastic overlay available on ebay 2 weeks ago.. Nick
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I am in need of the Mercedes SL 250 small hub cap stencil to repaint mine. Do you know where the "loan" stencil is now and may I borrow it next or direct me to the forum member that has it?
Thank you,
Dave
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Hi Group, I have the mask. Which address should I send to?
Regards,
Caio Stinchi
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Stinchi,
Can you please contact john, ‘johnsr’, who is next on the list and if John can then pass it to dave, ‘dnielle’, after he is done.
The postage is the responsibility of the last user to send on to the next. Bit of a pot luck on costs but now with stencils in USA, Europe and Australia the postage should not be too large.
Thanks to all
Garry
Membership Administrator.
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Hi--
Unless they became separated somehow, the North Americans have two stencils-- the large cap and the dog dish, the latter one donated by me in August. Should cover all needs, no pun intended.....
the other Joe
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Good point Joe, and thanks for the donation of the second set for the USA.
And to users and future users, both in USA, Aust and Europe, please ensure you keep the sets together, Its hard enough tracking three sets let alone two different types of stencils.
Garry
Membership Administrator
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It took me 1 hour per hub cap to tape them off. Patience!!!
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I agree that taping is a quick and easier way to do it but to get the original look you need the mask to give the fuzzy edge to the paint job.
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Is that mask still available?
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There are four sets, Europe, USAx2 and Australia. They were available to Full Members only and you should send a PM to either of the two US Full Members that were listed as holding them last.
I have a set in Australia for the Asia Pacific area. I am uncertain who is holding the Euro set?
Garry
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Garry,
Are you keeping a list for the masks in the Americas?
If so, can you put me on the list?
If not, just tell me and I will track the masks down with PMs.
Thanks,
Mark
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Mark
No, I am just holding the masks for Australasia. I am not sure who has the masks for Americas, Hopefully the current person will pipe up here and send them on to you as there has not been any comment for some time.
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I was recently offered a late type mask with rings for both 14" and 15" (that latter being extremely rare) but the seller wanted £400!!
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I would like to get on the list as well as I will be spraying my car this spring. Any update on who has the US stencils now would be appreciated!
Thanks
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johnk, FYI: I never did figure out where the stencils are.
I did send a PM to johnsr (are you related ;D ) a couple of weeks ago with no response from him.
I am still interested in them and I would like to know exactly what we have.
If it is the hard plastic one for the center star/circle only, I am not interested.
If we have the two piece softer more rubber-like material, I would like to try it.
By the way, I will be painting the one piece later covers, not the two piece early covers.
If anyone knows where the set or sets for the Americas are, please speak up.
Mark
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ok, I just heard from johnsr.
He does not have it and never had it.
If anyone knows where the set or sets for the Americas are, please speak up.
Thanks !!
Mark
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Thanks Joe for confirming.
Bonnyboy is next - I guess Ian will email his details for you to forward ASAP.
Then the user list in chronological order is:
Eleonard (Eric)
Mark Evans (Mark)
Scottcorvette (Scott)
I think users should try and turnaround the mask within, say a month or move it on to the next person.
If you look back on the earlier posts, the last post that has details of who was using the USA mask was in the quotes above. Do any of those members know or have seen the mask set?
Garry
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I have the set here that I got for the UK and Euro members. I haven't used it yet...No one else has asked for it so I wonder if it may be better that I send this one to the USA to replace the missing set? It may be more in demand there.
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Scott,
There were three sets. One in Australia, I have it, one in the USofA that appears to have disappeared somewhere between the three names on the list and the third that you have. I think the least numbers of members on a continent is Australia so if we cannot locate the US set then the set here should probably be sent to them after our search is exhausted.
Garry
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Hi Garry and all,
I have now sent a PM to Mark Evans, Bonnyboy, and eleonard in an effort to find the North American stencil sets.
We should hear from them soon.
Mark
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I sent them down/up the list in September 2015. And it was received as I got a thank you.
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OK, Thanks Ian ....
We will wait to hear from Mark Evans and eleonard.
BUT, the last guy on the list is Scottcorvette and he lives in the UK :o and has a set.
Scottcorvette, before we come to the conclusion that maybe you should send it to North America as you suggested ... can you tell me specifically what you have? I might not want it. I'm picky. ;D
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Mark Evans is Australian and I think he used the one that I have and gave it back to me when he had finished.
Garry
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Thanks Garry.
Let's wait to hear what Eleonard has to say.
Also, I sent PMs to cstinchi, x046866x, and dnierle just in case any of them can paint a clearer picture. ;D
Take care,
Mark
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Hi Garry
This time I'm response ding to your Nov 2017 post, instead of 2016! My mistake. Do you happen to know the current status and whereabouts of the Australasian 280SL hubcap stencils? I'm ready to paint my hubcaps ASAP. Cheers
Pip1947
Sydney
68 280SL
Tunis Beige Metallic/dark brown
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Is the North American set of stencils still missing?
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Apparently so.
A member has offered to donate another set but at this point I have suggested that they wait until we find the set that someone has but not sharing at this time or come up with a more robust system than just an honour system.
Bit disappointing actually but maybe not surprising in todays world.
Garry
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Actually, I have found dnierle had the US stencils.
He will be sending them to me unless someone needs them immediately. If someone has an immediate need, speak up because I can surely wait for them.
No offense intened to dnierle, but in the future, should we think about restricting the borrowing of this to full memebers???
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No offense intened to dnierle, but in the future, should we think about restricting the borrowing of this to full memebers???
I thought this was for full members.
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I agree Scoot, they were to be restricted to Full Members but that has got lost somewhere in the process.
Maybe a Board Member should hold on to them and send them out, at Group cost, to each member wanting to use them on the understanding that the member is then responsible for returning them to the Board Member of completion of their painting. That way they are accounted for and are just another Full Member benefit.
Garry
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I thought I was holding the Australian stencils (two green rubber/latex star/rings) for painting the hubcaps, but now believe that one of the Australian members has them at the present time.
Can our Australian Members check if they do have the hub cap stencils and let me know please
Garry
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Please see the following new topic for the club's Stencils that will be lent out to the Americas.
I hope you agree that a separate topic will be easier to follow.
Mark
https://www.sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=27024.new#new
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For Full members, yes, but some members are full members and then they leave the group or don't pay to renew and then become 'non' full members.
I'm one of them.