Pagoda SL Group
W113 Pagoda SL Group => Body, interior, paint, chrome, and cosmetic items => Topic started by: 280sl1968 on July 30, 2010, 18:51:26
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I saw this for sale recently as a 230SL/250SL/280SL toolkit apparently from a Euro 280SL, albeit incomplete.
It looks like it is made of a canvas material but others that I've actually seen were made from MBTex. However I read in the technical manual that sometimes remnants of soft top material were used - is that the case for this one?
David
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The tool kit was a dealer accesory, so it would be a tool kit from Mercedses, but not made for any particular model. The green canvas would be from the time period pagodas were built, The vinyl kits date to later.
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I thought the tool kits for the 113 were a more upscale set up and were seen in the 113's and 111's. I also that that there were a number of different outer coverings. I have a canvas and a vinyl case. I also saw one this past weekend (Pittsburgh Vintage event) that had the basket weave pattern in MB Tex. There was no rhyme or reason to which kit might show up in which car, sort of like a stock pile of them and they went in the car as it came down the line. Also, there are several threads that speak to the tool kit for the 113 being made from the left over bits of canvas from tops (or seats/interior - I guess).
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It looks exactly like the the one in my trunk.
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The information that I was given some years ago was that the tool kits were made from the rear window cutout from the soft tops and usually matched the soft top colour for each car. Don't know how correct this is but mine was that way and I had the outer of the kit recovered when I did the top replacement.
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Hi Garry
Mine is original and made out of mb tex same as the seats,have a look at my photos-its a 1970 280 sl
Reg
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Hi Reg, like Jonny B said there appears to be several different types as I have seen the MB Tex ones as well that have been original. I don't think anyone has given a definitive answer so they all seem to be correct.
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I believe the material can be MB Tex or soft top material, but the basic design is the same with
grey cloth lining, two snap buttons and the two slots which in some cars have the wheel wrench going thru them and the kit is hung on the back panel. Not seen a leather one :-[
naj
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Hello,
Yes the W113 SLs, the 6.3 sedans the grande 600s and some coupes and cabriolets of the era used the "up scale" tool kit.
The actual material and color vaired but all could be identified by the the two snap fasteners. The less exotic tool kits simply used a canvass role and "string tie" to close the kit.
If you refer to your owners part "picture book" the correct style should be displayed with the two snap fasteners. Only the dealers parts book will acutally list some of the exact tools in the kit.
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Tool kit shown is missing Water Plump Pliers still available . Tire alignment tool fuse pliers. , bag is not right for our cars could be for early 190SL.
Bob Geco
I have in one of my big binders a description of a real 280SL tool roll with the name of each manufactured tool and pictures. will share if some one need this information.
Bob Geco
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Bob Geco
Glad to see you back.
Why do you say the bag is not right?
Gus
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I believe this page: http://www.sl113.org/wiki/Accessories/Toolkit has been fairly well researched. Much material from Joa Alexander. If anyone has additional insights or dissenting views I'd like them to be added to that page in the Tech Manual.
Peter
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Yes, I think the tool roll with the string tie does not belong to the Pagoda 'era' and should be removed from the wiki unless someone can confirm otherwise.
naj
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Hello
All the 190SL to kits (several versions) had the canvass bag with the string ties. I believe the nicer bags with the double snaps first appeared on the 300SLs and Adnenaur sedans of the early fifties.
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Still not a definitive view... Achim, Dave Gallon, what do you think?
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Hello
All the 190SL to kits (several versions) had the canvass bag with the string ties. I believe the nicer bags with the double snaps first appeared on the 300SLs and Adnenaur sedans of the early fifties.
Here's a canvas one from a '65 220 SE Coupe.
I believe the plug wrench is from a later Merc?
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Still not a definitive view... Achim, Dave Gallon, what do you think?
Thanks, Peter...
Hello all,
My personal view and understanding is that the presented 280 SL toolkit by David is fully correct for a 113 SL. So, I definitely agree with Jonny, Don (P) and Naj.
There are/were several (scrap) materials which were used for the tool bag, especially softtop canvas and MB tex seat material including (!) the basket weave pattern. I saw the latter one personally and will try to get hold of that one for my collection. All of these were two-layer as Naj mentioned.
I have added a few pages from the original parts list 10202 and the current VdH summary parts list (indicating the parts which are mostly still available...).
As you can see in highlighted yellow, the original parts number for the complete tool kit was initially 112 580 02 03. Later that one changed into two 113 numbers (oops, did not know that, possibly because of the fuse pull pliers) and for at least 20 years or so those numbers switched back to 112 580 02 03 which does not contain the fuse pliers.
These tool assemblies always used the empty tool roll 112 580 00 07, which did not change per se throughout the whole production period of the 113 SL.
I know that the "early 230" had the tool kit 112 580 00 03, don't know for sure the differences, but I know that at least the earliest had black "anodized" tools instead of chromed ones... I know for sure that no. 000024 had this scenario ...
The common tool kit (112 580 02 03) was also used on the other "better" MB passenger cars like the 111/Cpe/Cab but no longer on the 108 chassis which already had the cloth tool roll with the straps.
Personally, I don't know why the '65 220 SE Coupé, which Naj posted, had the more simple canvas tool roll.
The "simple" tool bag (cloth only) has a different parts number which I cannot provide for the moment.
As already mentioned above the manufacturers of some of the tools changed with the years beginning with the more expensive "Dowidat" towards cheaper brands "Heyco" and even "Matador".
At least the 600 chassis had a different tool assembly but I don't know for sure whether the 300SEL 6.3 had the same.
The 600's tool bag looks like the one of the pagoda but is larger and contains far more tools, roughly twice as many.
That's all I know, not more
Ah, one more. I have just briefliy reviewed all the info in our WIKI about the tool kits.
Could not find an error there on the quick glance.
I am fine with you if you are going to delete the pages I have attached from the parts list. I do not have the copy right on those; so it's fine for me to have these discarded soon again.
Best,
Achim
(113s toolkit collector)
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Achim:
Lets not for get about the machined tire change tool that fits in the small pocket of the spare tire cover in the trunk.
Bob Geco
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Bob,
By machined tire change tool you mean the threaded rod that you use to support the wheel while installing, which threads into the lug-bolt holes, correct?
Also, on the flap for the storage area in the spare tire cover, there is a long area which is sewn into the flap with an oblong hole at the end. Does this threaded rod slide into the hole in the flap of the storage area in the spare tire cover?
If so, that is fantastic. I never even noticed that area of the flap... Thank you. But maybe I have it all wrong??
Mark