Pagoda SL Group
W113 Pagoda SL Group => General Discussion => Topic started by: mdsalemi on January 03, 2007, 08:14:48
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Hello All,
In the December 11, 2006 issue of BoschZunder, the "in house" newspaper for all of Bosch's employees, there is an article entitled New Part for an Old Legend. I'm trying to have my friend at Bosch see if this is on-line on the Bosch intra-net, and if so I'll copy it here.
The article is about how the Bosch starter (as in starter motor) group, in concert with "Bosch Tradition" (their own "Classic Center") reengineered a brand-new starter for the 190SL. This was done with an order for 150 units from the MB Classic Center. They made some improvements as the unit is smaller and lighter and easier to install, and produces 1.4 kW (original was .6)so is considerably more powerful.
Considering the 190SL had only half as many cars made in its production run, I think we aren't too bad off here.
http://www.automotive-tradition.de/en/start/index.htm
This is the link to Bosch's Automotive Tradition website. Hopefully I gave you the English link here.
Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red w/Black Leather
Restored
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Hello Michael,
Yes the 190SL starter motor was not available new for years. I had to make some from later Bosch starter motors by changing some parts around myself in years past.
The other problem with the 190SL and starter motors was that the original units were too big to be removed from the car without removing other parts of the engine!!! So I suspect that the new improved smaller version will be a great hit!
On the other hand the W113 starter motors are still available, but it is nice to know that Bosch is willing to do special favors for vintage car enthusiasts if parts become "not available". I am sure these parts are not inexpensive!
Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
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The 190SL replacement starter motor that most of us use is the Bosch SR-58 which is fits many of the older Mercedes. It has a permanent magnet and turns the engine much faster than the original motor. Installation requires a 10mm wide adapter and new bolts. I am not aware of any "special" starter for the 190SL.
I believe that the current Bosch for my 230SL is the SR-59 which utilizes the same technology and also should be an improvement over the stock motor. A friend with a 280SL just replaced his starter and commented about how much faster the engine turns over (I don't have any specifics on his replacement starter). I do know that if you order a "Bosch Rebuilt" starter, that you will receive a new starter of the new design.
So, it is worth buying a "rebuilt" starter from a national supplier verses rebuilding your old starter locally.
Jim Villers
190SL, 230SL 5-Speed, 190E 2.3-16 Kompressor, MGB 5-Speed
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Originally posted by JimVillers
The 190SL replacement starter motor that most of us use is the Bosch SR-58 which is fits many of the older Mercedes. It has a permanent magnet and turns the engine much faster than the original motor. Installation requires a 10mm wide adapter and new bolts. I am not aware of any "special" starter for the 190SL.
I believe that the current Bosch for my 230SL is the SR-59 which utilizes the same technology and also should be an improvement over the stock motor. A friend with a 280SL just replaced his starter and commented about how much faster the engine turns over (I don't have any specifics on his replacement starter). I do know that if you order a "Bosch Rebuilt" starter, that you will receive a new starter of the new design.
So, it is worth buying a "rebuilt" starter from a national supplier verses rebuilding your old starter locally.
Jim Villers
190SL, 230SL 5-Speed, 190E 2.3-16 Kompressor, MGB 5-Speed
Jim, I don't know too much about 190SL's but as soon as I get that article in digital form I'll post it. You can go to the link I posted here and you can see that this is a new product, an improvement over the original, and one made in cooperation with the Classic Center (who placed the initial order) and the INTERNATIONAL 190SL group. I'm surprised you haven't heard about it; my guess is the International Group didn't tell the US group!
Based on what JA17 said, it looks like they nailed the problems with the original.
Here it is:
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It's nice to know Bosch has set up a group to work on parts for old cars...
Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red w/Black Leather
Restored
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Michael .... If the International 190SL Group was involved, I would know about it. I am on the Board, I am the webmaster and I run the Club Store.
The starter that was no longer supported had rubber bushings between the bolt and the starter. The bolt was special in that it was 12mm to go through the bell housing and 10mm to go through the bushing part of the starter. It may have been a good idea at the time but it did not stand the test of time. I believe that the replacement starter that fits most ponton cars is a significant improvement.
I would be very interested in the article. You can email it to me at Jim Villers (http://"mailto:190slJIM@cox.net")
Jim Villers
190SL, 230SL 5-Speed, 190E 2.3-16 Kompressor, MGB 5-Speed
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Originally posted by JimVillers
I would be very interested in the article. You can email it to me at..
I don't know German, so I can't say what's in the article (page) that Cees posted. Here's the link just in front of the German article:
http://www.automotive-tradition.de/en/teile/aktuelle_nachfertigung.htm
Rodd
Powell, Ohio, USA
1966 230SL, Euro, Auto, Leather, both tops
1994 E420