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W113 Pagoda SL Group => General Discussion => Topic started by: mille on December 19, 2006, 09:12:09

Title: Rust proofing
Post by: mille on December 19, 2006, 09:12:09
We got our Pagoda nut and bolt restored last autumn and found a fair amount of structural rust under a seemingly nice surface. Needless to say we wish this not to happen again and living 200 m from the coast line in a country with a very aggressive humid coastal climate, we know how important decent rust proofing is to keep the dreaded corrosion away.

Modern vehicles are taken to special rust proofing work shops using commercial products such as Tectyl and Dinitrol etc. and most important, the workshops have so-called 'spray-schedules' which in details shows the cavities to spray with thin penetrating oil/wax and where to spray with a thick wear-resistant layer.

What we learned from our restoration is that most corrosion comes from inside and out. Condensation builds up in cavities, sub frames and sills and eat the metal slowly but surely if not rust proofed.

I don't know of any who has a 'spray-schedule' for a Pagoda and it was probably not invented when these cars were in daily use. However, I would be extremely grateful if any of you would share your experience and knowledge concerning roost proofing your treasured Pagoda.


Cheers

/Finn  8)

1964 MB 230 SL Pagoda silver metallic 4 speed Euro w/ 280 engine and black interior
Title: Re: Rust proofing
Post by: Ben on December 19, 2006, 10:30:30
I have one !

It was reprinted and published by The Mercedes Benz Club and reprinted in our Gazette sometime in the last year !

It shows where to apply/re-apply etc and where the various cavity location holes are !

Unfortunatley my scanner is broken but I would gladly fax it if you can provide a number. It may take a day or two to find it !

Regards,
Ben in Ireland.
'64 230SL 4sp.
Title: Re: Rust proofing
Post by: jameshoward on December 19, 2006, 10:38:32
Ben,

My new car is about to go to the shop for numerous bits of work following a German TUV test failure today. It ends with a spray. Is there any chance I could trouble you for a copy of the same document? (My mechanic was talking about it only yesterday)

James
Title: Re: Rust proofing
Post by: jsaylor on December 19, 2006, 11:57:13
Ben,

I would love a copy as well.  Living on a tropical island, rust is always an issue.
Fax:  (808) 822-9898  USA
THANKS!! 8)

Jim Saylor
Kauai, Hawaii
'65 230SL
Title: Re: Rust proofing
Post by: mille on December 19, 2006, 13:06:49
Wow Ben, that really sounds great. I have forwarded you an e-mail with my fax number and if I receive it Friday the latest I can scan it before Christmas leave and put in on to the Group.

Thanks a million

Greetings

Finn  :)
Title: Re: Rust proofing
Post by: Cees Klumper on December 19, 2006, 15:19:51
Ben - could you inquire whether the Irish/UK club would grant us permission to reprint this diagram into Pagoda World or, better yet, make it available on the forums/homepage somewhere as a pdf for example?

Cees ("Case") Klumper in Amsterdam
'69 white 280 SL automatic
Title: Re: Rust proofing
Post by: Douglas on December 19, 2006, 16:56:23
That same factory diagram of body cavity wax/waxoyl locations appears in an old issue of the Mercedes Collector, Frank Mallory's old magazine. Perhaps knowing this will make the search easier for some people. I know back issues of that publication are floating around in this group.

Douglas Kim
New York
USA
Title: Re: Rust proofing
Post by: Abbas on December 19, 2006, 23:41:54
I have an electronic fax that goes right into my e-mail box - scanned automatically. If you wish send it to me 00971-84-48-1916 and I shall post it right away. International charges apply on your side. I think many of us gave a thought to this idea one day or another.

Abbas

280SL W113 1969 Ivory
E280 W124 1995 Silver
Title: Re: Rust proofing
Post by: erickmarciano on December 20, 2006, 15:37:28
I wold take a copy
514 381 0071
thanks
Erick

1999 ml320<sold it at last>
2004 Volvo s60 T5
1971 280sl
1962 VW bug
1954 Allstate vespa
1958 gs150 vespa
1962 gs160 vespa
Title: Re: Rust proofing
Post by: Cees Klumper on December 20, 2006, 16:42:17
Thanks for that reference Doug. I have all the old Mercedes Collectors and now shall have to delve into them to retrieve this article.

Cees ("Case") Klumper in Amsterdam
'69 white 280 SL automatic
Title: Re: Rust proofing
Post by: TA250SL on December 20, 2006, 22:34:31
The article appears in issue 7, from June of 1993.  Pages 11-13.
I only have it in PDF format, so I'm not sure how to post.

Tom
Early 1967 250SL
Euro version    
Los Angeles
Title: Re: Rust proofing
Post by: jameshoward on December 21, 2006, 04:40:23
Tom,

Could I be a pain and ask you to email it to me through the site, or I can send my e-mail address?

THanks in advance,

James
Title: Re: Rust proofing
Post by: nick350 on December 21, 2006, 06:21:17
I would love a copy too as I live in foggy London town...pea soupers!!

Nick350
r107 SL red
Title: Re: Rust proofing
Post by: Abbas on December 22, 2006, 06:40:55
Here are the three page article and pictures for rust protection - courtesy of Tom - Mercedes club old magz.

Abbas

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280SL W113 1969 Ivory
E280 W124 1995 Silver
Title: Re: Rust proofing
Post by: jameshoward on December 22, 2006, 10:28:08
Ben/Tom,

The attachment posted by Abbas (for which many thanks) looks great, but can I ask for some clarification? Does the diagram show the areas where one should spray in something like Waxoyl? Also, what is the aim (other than to prevent rust) - I mean, is the aim to spray the inside of all panels with waxoyl and thus prevent water doing damage that way? Also, what preparation is required before goo is sprayed in? Clearly it's not possible to clean these areas without having the car in bits.

Can you provide a little more info?

Many thanks,

James
Title: Re: Rust proofing
Post by: 66andBlue on December 22, 2006, 17:34:16
In his Hardtop Restauration article Gernold Nisius shows a picture where he sprays wax into the hardtop legs using a pressurized spray can.
The Waxoyl homepage shows a picture similar to Gernold's and again it appears that one must use a spray gun and compressed air:  http://www.waxoyl.com/en/produkte/120-4.htm
Does anybody know whether good liquid wax is available in a ready-to-use aerosol can?

Alfred
1966 blue 230SL automatic
Title: Re: Rust proofing
Post by: mille on December 23, 2006, 02:12:21
Tom,Abbas

Thanks a million, exactly what is needed! Hopefully many members will do the rather messy, but rewarding job to preserve our Pagodas.


Cheers

/Finn  8)

1964 MB 230 SL Pagoda silver metallic 4 speed Euro w/ 280 engine and black interior
Title: Re: Rust proofing
Post by: mbzse on December 23, 2006, 05:59:27
quote:
Alfred wrote (66andBlue)

../.. Does anybody know whether good liquid wax is available in a ready-to-use aerosol can?

Sure, Wurth has it. :)  Article No 0893 081 #Cavity protection spray wax.
Wurth is OEM for Mercedes production in the factories.
See http://wueko.wuerth.com/


/Hans in Sweden
Title: Re: Rust proofing
Post by: 66andBlue on December 23, 2006, 12:00:49
Hans,
thank you for the link. Fortunately, it is also sold in the USA:
http://www.wurthusa.com/project/en/leftnavi/catalog/product.php?path=06.0511.jpg
Now I need to find a way to buy it.

Alfred
1966 blue 230SL automatic
Title: Re: Rust proofing
Post by: Ulf on January 26, 2009, 09:56:15
The entire rustproofing plan is right here: http://www.pagode.info/68.htm
It's in German and the resolution is not the greatest, but it gives a pretty good overall picture...

Ulf