Pagoda SL Group
W113 Pagoda SL Group => General Discussion => Topic started by: terry shores on December 14, 2006, 21:22:38
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-SL-Class-280sl-w113-Mercedes-Benz-1971-280-SL-Showroom-condition-Low-reserv_W0QQitemZ230065774897QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6338QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I happened to be looking at ebay Mercedes 280 sl's and found this one. MUCH TO MY SURPRISE, 3/4 OF THE PICTURES ARE OF MY CAR??? THAT I TOOK!!! NOW THEY ARE ON EBAY. Go figure!! Obviously someone is running a typical ebay scam. Selling a car that they don't possess!!Just want your money!! NEVER, NEVER BUY A CAR ON EBAY WITHOUT A FULL INSPECTION!!
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Wow. That really takes the cake. It doesn't take Einstein to see that the photos are from two different cars. But I sure like looking at yours, Terry! Thanks for the heads up.
James
63 230SL
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You should go to the "ask seller a question" link and ask why there are two different cars in the photos.
It will show up whether the seller wants it there or not,
66 230sl
113-042-10-014715
904/396 blue, Ivory Tex
condition: not-as-rusty-as-before-bucket
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Hello Everyone,
My guess is you don't see these eBay "scams" for Triumph TR6's, MG Midgets, Fiat Spyders, etc. The scam artists have latched onto the popularity of the W113, and they know it--which is why these things keep popping up. Because of the popularity of our cars, many want to see high prices--to see the value of their own car increase, but also are looking for the proverbial "great deal" which hardly exists except in scam form!
Well, Terry has hit the nail on the head: NEVER, NEVER BUY A CAR ON EBAY WITHOUT A FULL INSPECTION!!
Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red w/Black Leather
Restored
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I funded my 250SL and 560SL purchases from selling a lot of high end vintage photography equipment. Over the past year, I have caught many scammers using my photos and have enjoyed nailing them. Sometimes, I will post a duplicate ad to theirs and ask $1M. I would then point out the other listing as phoney. I received a few death threats from scammers for trying to slander them. Most were from Eastern Europe. I also received many e-mails, thanking me for outing the scammers! It cost me a few bucks per listing, but I have so much fun with it! Plus, I saved many people from being taken.
Terry...I would nail that SOB for using my photos! By the way, nice firewall pad! Did you restore it or get one of Tom's?
Best Regards,
J. P. Mose
1968 250SL
1987 560SL
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"nice firewall pad! Did you restore it or get one of Tom's"
IT IS THE ORIGINAL FIREWALL PAD!!
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"You should go to the "ask seller a question" link and ask why there are two different cars in the photos.
It will show up whether the seller wants it there or not,"
WRONG!!! EVERY SINGLE LINK ON THE EBAY (SCAM) LISTING GOES DIRECTLY TO THE SCAMMER!! IF YOU TRY TO REPORT THE FRAUD, IF YOU ASK THE SELLER A QUESTION ETC. ETC. THE SCAMMER KNOWS!!! IN MY OPINION, EBAY HAS DEGRADED BECAUSE OF FRAUD TO A SITUATION WHERE IT IS LIKE THE WANT ADS IN A NEWSPAPER. NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. I THINK EASILY 10% OF ALL THE LISTINGS FOR CARS ARE BOGUS!!
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I think he has an old rusted dirty signal red 113 , ctured in the first pic and if you look at the engine bay pics one has half a fireall pad and interstate battery), I'm sure the interior shots and trunk etc show much better on your car! Someone will buy this and get a rusty dirty tired 113, thinking its in concours shape
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quote:
Originally posted by peterm
I think he has an old rusted dirty signal red 113 , ctured in the first pic....
My first thought was that we don't know if the seller even owns a 280 SL at all, but I've got to think you're correct, Peter. If there were no car at all, why even bother showing the tired SL in some pix? Why not just show the nice one?
This is one of the oddest scams I've seen on ebay. It's like a half-baked bait-and-switch.
Douglas Kim
New York
USA
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I guess all we can hope is the bidders will get wind of our discussion before its too late. The seller could always claim he was just showing what the car could look like with some major TLC...
James
63 230SL
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I emailed the seller about the picture issue here's the response
Response from doit4loveauto
doit4loveauto( 41)
Positive feedback: 93.6%
Member since: Apr-14-05
Location: CA, United States
Registered on: www.ebay.com
Item: Mercedes-Benz : SL-Class (230065774897)
This message was sent while the listing was active.
doit4loveauto is the seller.
I am selling the bad picture one. Thanks
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Terry,
I reported this to Ebay fraud (there is a link at the bottom of the listing that allows you do report suspected fraud). I expect it will get pulled today?
Thanks,
g
'64 230sl, fully sorted out...ooops, spoke too soon
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eBay will not accept responsibility for this type of listing. They say it is the buyers' responsibility to check the seller out.
When I was scammed for AUD $1500.00 while trying to buy a soft top frame, I checked every link for security, insurance etc on the eBay site. They all went to the correct eBay site.
How can you rely on the veracity of the information if all the links can be diverted to the shonky seller?
It seems to me that eBay website software is too easily copied.
Bob Smith (Brisbane,Australia)
RHD,1967 early 250 SL, auto
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This is truly ironic that Terry stumbled onto this.
However, I would say that ebay does more for our passion than harm by stimulating demand. But...with all things in life - let the buyer beware!
I had a good experience finding my w113 on ebay. However, I used ebay like a catalog, engaged an inspector and then got in the car to drive 200 miles to see it. I had negotiated a price on the phone, but reduced the final price 20% upon inspection. I drove it home that day in 90 degree heat with no air conditioning!
Overall, I liked my experience and would do it again.
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I bought two cars over eBay and got them shiped to Dubai. But all done with a friend of mine living in the US. I would check the car over the Internet talk to the owner and then ask my friend to see the car and inspect it and make sure that all ownership documents are proper. I would even send the money to my friend to pay the owner - never transfer the money directly to the buyer.
Abbas
280SL W113 1969 Ivory
E280 W124 1995 Silver
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On ebay, a question showed up on the car page. TOTAL LIE!! THE SCAM CONTINUES!
Question & Answer Answered On
" Q: I noticed that the picures dont match the first one; is that a before restoration shot? thanks Mark
Dec-16-06
A: yes maek that was a picture of the car befor that I thought looked good as well thanks"
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Terry,
Looks like your car is fetching a nice price, too bad the new owner will never see it. Despite having reported this the scam goes on. I really feel badly for the high bidder.
g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-SL-Class-280sl-w113-Mercedes-Benz-1971-280-SL-Showroom-condition-Low-reserv_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6338QQihZ013QQitemZ230065774897QQrdZ1
'64 230sl, fully sorted out...ooops, spoke too soon
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Chances are pretty good the vehicle will still be available after the auction, so I wouldn't feel too bad for the high bidder. It's probably the seller's alter ego.
Douglas Kim
New York
USA
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Finally, EBAY cancelled the listing!!! Somebody saved alot of money!!!
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I asked the seller some questions a few days ago...as far as I know he never did respond although I recieved this from ebay today regarding the auction:
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1969 280SL
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
You may have noticed that this listing is removed. I did this. I logged onto "my eBay" (I usually sell my daughter's cast off toys etc.); and reported the item to eBay Safe Harbor Department. In this way the communication went to them and not to the seller.
When we uncover these frauds, this is the way to do it. Don't try and report it when you have the listing on display; do it from "my eBay" if you are a registered user, if not have someone else who is a registered user do it. I did this last night after reading Terry's post again.
So, the system does work, you just have to know how to use it!
Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red w/Black Leather
Restored
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
You may have noticed that this listing is removed. I did this. I logged onto "my eBay" (I usually sell my daughter's cast off toys etc.); and reported the item to eBay Safe Harbor Department. In this way the communication went to them and not to the seller.
When we uncover these frauds, this is the way to do it. Don't try and report it when you have the listing on display; do it from "my eBay" if you are a registered user, if not have someone else who is a registered user do it. I did this last night after reading Terry's post again.
So, the system does work, you just have to know how to use it!
Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red w/Black Leather
Restored
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They relisted the car on ebay. Here's the link and his number:
phone 1-(818)-325-7128, just ask for R.K.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-1971-280-SL-Showroom-condition-NO-reserv_W0QQitemZ230068820648QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6338QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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...and once again reported as fraud at 09:53 EST 12.21.06 Let's see how long it takes to delist.
Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red w/Black Leather
Restored
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I couldn't help myself.... I sent the following e-mail to the seller:
Hello,
I am a car and bike dealer based in Huddersfield. I saw your advert placement on the internet and I am interested in buying your 1971 Mercedes-Benz 280 SL. Please forward me your final asking price only. My shipping agent will handle the shipping and pick-up. Also indicate if you will accept a cashier check drawn from a US bank for payment. i anticipate your early reply.
Thanks,
MARK
Got the following reply within a few minutes:
"29k yes cashier cheek from us bank is fine thank you"
Douglas Kim
New York
USA
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Terry, it looks like he changed some of the pictures. Do they still include views of your car?
Best,
g
'64 230sl, fully sorted out...ooops, spoke too soon
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Terry, it looks like he changed some of the pictures. Do they still include views of your car?
Best,
g
'64 230sl, fully sorted out...ooops, spoke too soon
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EVERY PICTURE OF THE INTERIOR IS OF MY CAR. ALL ENGINE COMPARTMENT PICTURES ARE OF MY CAR. THE HUBCAP PICTURE IS MINE ALONG WITH THE UNDERCARRIAGE PICTURE. PICTURES OF THE OUTSIDE ARE HIS!! He had sent me a picture of his speedo. I could see some of the dash, His dash is thrashed, doesn't even have heater levers!! NO WONDER HE DOESN'T WANT ANYONE TO SEE THE INTERIOR!! I SET UP AN EBAY ACCOUNT THAT I DON'T CARE IF I LOSE. I WILL FIX HIM. 30 SECONDS BEFORE THE AUCTION ENDS, I WILL MAKE A HIGH BID AND WIN THE ITEM. OOOOPS, FORGOT TO TELL HIM THAT I WAS JUST KIDDING!!! Then I will leave feedback telling what a scammer he is. He will be unable to eliminate the bad feedback!! Anyway, that is my plan!!
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Terry, it looks like he changed some of the pictures. Do they still include views of your car?
Best,
g
'64 230sl, fully sorted out...ooops, spoke too soon
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EVERY PICTURE OF THE INTERIOR IS OF MY CAR. ALL ENGINE COMPARTMENT PICTURES ARE OF MY CAR. THE HUBCAP PICTURE IS MINE ALONG WITH THE UNDERCARRIAGE PICTURE. PICTURES OF THE OUTSIDE ARE HIS!! He had sent me a picture of his speedo. I could see some of the dash, His dash is thrashed, doesn't even have heater levers!! NO WONDER HE DOESN'T WANT ANYONE TO SEE THE INTERIOR!! I SET UP AN EBAY ACCOUNT THAT I DON'T CARE IF I LOSE. I WILL FIX HIM. 30 SECONDS BEFORE THE AUCTION ENDS, I WILL MAKE A HIGH BID AND WIN THE ITEM. OOOOPS, FORGOT TO TELL HIM THAT I WAS JUST KIDDING!!! Then I will leave feedback telling what a scammer he is. He will be unable to eliminate the bad feedback!! Anyway, that is my plan!!
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I like the bid history on this listing:
bidder1
bidder2
bidder3
bidder4...
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etc.
what a nitwit.
Bill Simaz
'66 230sl
Back on the Road
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I'm thinking of sending him an email asking if he will accept my Nigerian bank check in an amount over the asking price. He can simply refund me the difference immediately by western union then ship the car, hopefully before he deposits the check.
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This item has now been removed from Ebay. Either he got scared or Ebay finally got smart. Since Ebay is not smart I vote for the first option.
'66 230SL
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Nope, still there. This guy is amazing,
g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-1971-280-SL-Showroom-condition-NO-reserv_W0QQitemZ230068820648QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6338QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
'64 230sl, fully sorted out...ooops, spoke too soon
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I GOT THIS CREEP!! I WAS HIGH BIDDER IN THE LAST 30 SECONDS AND HURRIED UP AND LEFT A NEGATIVE FEEDBACK THAT HE WILL BE UNABLE TO REMOVE!! AT LEAST I SCREWED HIM BEFORE HE HAD A CHANCE TO DEFRAUD SOME FOR VICTIM!!
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DOIT4LOVEAUTO IS A FRAUD, USES PICTURES OF CAR THAT IS NOT HIS!! FRAUD!! FRAUD!!
Buyer
andersonbecky(0) Dec-27-06 230068820648
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It will be interesting to see his reply! He seems to be good at making excuses.
James
63 230SL
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quote:
Originally posted by bsimaz
I like the bid history on this listing:
bidder1
bidder2
bidder3
bidder4...
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etc.
what a nitwit.
I wondered about this too, but further investigation reveals this is one of the few legit elements in the auction. Apparently, bidder anonymity is one of ebay's newer features:
"As the internet evolves, eBay continues to strike a balance between preserving transparency and protecting our Community of members. eBay has decided to change how bid history information is displayed so bad guys cannot target bidders with fake offers using this information. In certain cases, some bidders will no longer be able to view Bidder User IDs on the Bid History page. Your User ID will be shown only to you and the seller of the item you're bidding on. Other members will see an anonymous name, such as Bidder 1, applied consistently to the Bid History page."
Sort of ironic considering they're protecting one of the "bad guys" in this case.
Douglas Kim
New York
USA
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excellent cannot wait to see the response to your feedback!
Rob Walker
1968 280SL papyrus white/green leather
Spain and Turkey
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Terry,
I see he's left you negative feedback - you've achieved the nirvana of having a 'minus one' rating. Congratulations, I didn't know one could attain such an accolade. However, given that the listing will no doubt bounce back, potential buyers may check you out - you could leave a response to inform them of the reality of the situation.
Finally, and just for a laugh, you could report him to ebay for failing to deliver the car as advertised (presumably because parts thereof are sitting in your garage attached to your own vehicle).
This is great sport.
JH
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Wow that is great man you put him out of business for now . I live about half an hour from where the vehicle is I should of gone to see it .I am happy no one got suckered into this .
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Kind of funny! He said that I was fake. Actually, it was the car he was selling (if there was one) that was fake. I AM ACTUALLY REAL, JUST ASK ME!!!
HE CALLED ME LAST NIGHT AND WAS NOT HAPPY WITH ME!! SAID I COST HIM MANY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS! I TOLD HIM THAT WHEN I TALKED TO HIM OVER A WEEK AGO, I HAD TOLD HIM THAT I WASN'T GOING TO ALLOW HIM TO SELL A CAR USING PICTURES THAT WEREN'T OF HIS CAR THAT HE WAS SELLING. HE SAID THAT HE HAD CHANGED THE PICTURES!! HE HAD NOT CHANGED THE PICTURES, 3/4 OF THEM WERE STILL MY PICTURES. HE IS EITHER REALLY STUPID OR A REALLY LOUSY FRAUDSTER!! OR QUITE POSSIBLY REALITY HAS ESCAPED HIM!!
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THIS IS THE FRAUDSTERS RESPONSE TO MY NEGATIVE FEEDBACK!!
Feedback score: -1|Positive feedback: 0%Learn about what these numbers mean. Latest Feedback: From Date Item#
this person is fake leaving me a fedback seconds after he wins the auction
Seller
doit4loveauto(40) Dec-28-06 230068820648
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Terry,
Thanks for dealing with this guy. You know you can leave a response to his response. How about something like James' observation about jail time being a good time to learn spelling...and consequences.
Best,
g
'64 230sl, fully sorted out...ooops, spoke too soon
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Um gonna gitme won a themthar automatic transmitions fer me Pagodar.
quote:
Originally posted by enochbell
Nope, still there. This guy is amazing,
g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-1971-280-SL-Showroom-condition-NO-reserv_W0QQitemZ230068820648QQihZ013QQcategoryZ6338QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
'64 230sl, fully sorted out...ooops, spoke too soon
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Terry,
What your secret pagoda admirer lacks in intelligence he certainly makes up for in persistence>[:p]
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-SL-Class-1971-280sl-Mercedes-Benz-1971-280-SL-Showroom-condition-NO-reserv_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6338QQihZ013QQitemZ230071937453QQrdZ1
Kay
Euro 280sl LHD Auto.
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WOW!! Still using my pictures! This guy just doesn't get it???
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WELL! I FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT. HE IS JUST PLAIN STUPID!! Here is his response to a question on E-BAY!
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cut and paste!
Q: Why has this car been sold in a no reserve auction and within 48hrs its re listed? Is this the same car Cooper classics sold a few months ago? Carl
Dec-29-06
A: So its cooper clasics ok thanks for the information. Well the truth is that the hight bidder came last minet and out bide everyone else and only 2 mints after they won the auction they posted a negative feedback to me. Stateing that this is his car from the pictures and i guess who ever he sold the car to still owes the guy money and cooper classic thinks i both his car or am trying to sell it for the person that both it from him. Any how he has anothe re-bay account with the name of andersonbeacky with -1 feedback and I tryed to contact them only to get some guy name terry saying to me i should have took the hundered dollers from him and not listed the car. Personely i think they are crayz and to effect my auction like the past listing when i never have done anything to them. NOw i can put it together thanks to your help and stop these guys effecting my auction so i can sell my car befor new year. I am getting married for the first ever time and the wedding is outing me in depth this is why I am glad i can depend on the sell of this car hopefully and unfortunetly if must will take a lose to some degery to help process the sell of this car. Thanks
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Terry, didn't you read the 'sellers question'. Poor guy is getting married for the first time and needs the money.
Bill Simaz
'66 230sl
Back on the Road
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Stupid and illiterate, That paragraph is tough to read.
Bill Simaz
'66 230sl
Back on the Road
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"Personely i think they are crayz" I DUNT TINK THO!! (lol))
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How is it that this is being allowed to continue by ebay? Multiple people have reported this, including myself, and it's still continuing.
It's auctions like this that completely undermine ebay's credibility.
Douglas Kim
New York
USA
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I'd like to know if this guy really has a (dodgy) red Pagoda for sale? Or is his whole schtick a ruse?
James
63 230SL
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I think this ad needs to be pulled!
Maybe we can all flood this guy with specific questions and more detailed pics of his car (if he has one?). As we ask questions and they are posted with the ebay ad, maybe potential bidders will get the message that this ad is not accurate.
I was thinking that if the pic of the engine bay is from Terry's car, I can ask this goober to email me a close-up of the overflow tank, with sticker on it. I bet his doesnt look like Terry's?
What do you all think?
Bob
bpossel (Memphis, TN.)
'71 280SL / '97 E320
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I think every one of us with our own eBay account needs to report this. Maybe if eBay gets a few dozen FRAUD reports they'll listen. I've done it several times already. You have to go to my eBay, and report it as a listing violation.
Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red w/Black Leather
Restored
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I reported this guy also about a week ago from my Ebay.
Cees ("Case") Klumper in Amsterdam
'69 white 280 SL automatic
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Some questions for our fraudster!
cut and paste!
Sorry to bother you again. I noticed that in picture no. 14 you have a white sidewall tire showing. In picture no. 1 and no. 15 and no 17 you show blackwall tires. CAN YOU EXPLAIN. WHICH IS IT? WHY DOES IT APPEAR THAT THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT CARS PICTURED?
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I am confused, this is the third time that you have tried to sell this car on ebay!! The first time, you said that you inherited this car from your grandfather. In your most recent explanation (question and answer) you stated that this car was just purchased from cooper classics??? WHICH IS IT? Are you selling the same car or NOT?? Are you confused with your stories??? DID YOU TAKE ALL OF THE PICTURES OF THE CAR OR DID YOU BORROW THEM FROM ANOTHER CAR?
WHY HAS THIS CAR BEEN ON EBAY 3 WEEKS IN A ROW AND THE CAR LOOKED TO BE SOLD. If you bought the cooper classics car, it sold for in excess of $50,000 how can you turn around and sell the car NO RESERVE? I AM CONFUSED, PLEASE EXPLAIN!! PS. I LOVE THE CAR!!
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I love the car, I am really interested in a 280sl that is original as can be, although restored. Do not want a vehicle that has been in an accident. Can you send me or post some more pictures of the engine bay!! If I am satisfied, I can arrange to buy your vehicle immediately. I have been looking for the perfect 280 for 2 years. Any close ups of the engine bay would be very appreciated. Also send me a price that would be satisfactory to you to end the auction immediately!!
Thanks,
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Gentlemen: eBay is a real strange place. Perhaps because the people running it are strange. I have had some very good experiences and one very bad one: I bought a cell phone and when it arrived it didn't work. I brought it to my service provider and they determined it had been damaged by moisture and was unrepairable. I wrote e-mail to the seller and got no reply. Whereupon I contacted PayPal and got my money back. I gave the seller neutral feedback because he is selling for other people and may not have known the phone was bad. He gave me negative feedback - my first ever - and said I didn't know how to operate a cell phone. Yes, I'm a real dummy! When I contacted eBay they refused to pull the negative feedback but agreed it was "undeserved". eBay is a real strange place!
'69 280SL,Signal Red,Automatic,retired engineer, West-Seattle,WA (http://www.sl113.org/forums/uploaded/theengineer/20051219121123_Drehstern.gif)
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Well, its been pulled off ebay again. don't be surprised to see a reincarnation.
Gus
68' 280sl
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quote:
Originally posted by 69280sl
Well, its been pulled off ebay again. don't be surprised to see a reincarnation.
No, it is still there, and with 11 bids by now.
Terry, which one of the 20 pictures shows your car? Or has he take those off now?
Alfred
1966 blue 230SL automatic
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As a former user of ebay with over 100 items bought and a couple sold, my opinion is that the owners of ebay could care less about buyers....they make their money from sellers and have a high tolerance of shady operators. They "seem" to have protection policies and safeguards but in reality they never see the items being sold and can't verify anything about them. The whole thing has the appearance of a well organized store, but with millions of buyers anxious to part with their money, they don't need to care about unhappy customers.
To paraphrase P.T. Barnum..."there's one born every minute"
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I think I've found his real car - yep, this is it. It's a lot like the red one in perfect condition, xetpt thut ettis blooe and eetz not quite purfect in everary whey. (but for you spotters out there, it doesn't seem like a bad deal - less than $10K, I think?? I bet it goes soon at this price).
JH
http://cgi.ebay.de/Mercedes-Benz-250-SL-Pagode_W0QQitemZ110072485779QQihZ001QQcategoryZ9801QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Terry, which one of the 20 pictures shows your car? Or has he take those off now?
Alfred
1966 blue 230SL automatic
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PICTURE NO. 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14 ARE ALL PICTURES OF MY CAR!! THE FIRST TIME I SPOKE TO THE FRAUDSTER, HIS ANSWER WHEN I ASKED HIM WHY HE WAS USING PICTURES OF MY CAR, HE SAID "BECAUSE I FELT LIKE IT"
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Thought that I would join in on the fun. I reported the listing, too. The seller also suggests that the car was featured in a buyer's guide photoshoot. Lo and behold, so does another seller state the same about HIS car. Except the second car is BLUE and HE shows the page of the buyer's guide showing the BLUE car plus, the car in his garage has the same tag number as the BLUE car in the BOOK.
I also asked the seller of the RED car...
Hi,
Do you have any photos of your car in the buyer's guide that you mention in your ad?
This said... give ebay a break. If a buyer is so desparate or gullibe to buy from a seller with a positive feedback of 91%, they are probably a sucker in everyday life, too.
quote:
Originally posted by mdsalemi
I think every one of us with our own eBay account needs to report this. Maybe if eBay gets a few dozen FRAUD reports they'll listen. I've done it several times already. You have to go to my eBay, and report it as a listing violation.
Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red w/Black Leather
Restored
Kevin Caputo
Boca Raton, FL
1967 230 SL Automatic
670 Light Ivory
113 Bronze/Brown MB Tex
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Last month a member of one of the M.G. e-mail lists I subscribe to poated that the St. Louis area warehouse where he and some friends store their cars was broken into and various items were lifted from several cars. His M.G. TC was missing the spare tire and the knock-off from the spare tire carrier, the unique to TC Lucas mirror, the radiator cap with Motometer, and some other items from under the hood. Within a few days another poster out west reported that somebody was selling similar items on eBay. Lo and behold, when checked it out all his stolen parts were right there in living color! E-bay was of little help, but a phone call to his local police department and the police department in the neighboring state netted one small time crook and a whole bunch of stolen goods. The court date is next month!
- Mike Hughes -ô¿ô-
1966 230SL Auto P/S
Havanna Brown (408)
Light Beige (181)
Cream M-B Tex (121)
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OK!! THIS HAS GOT TO BE ONE OF THE FUNNIEST RESPONSES I HAVE EVER SEEN. NOW IT TURNS OUT THIS GUY IS A DOCTOR OF MEDICINE AND A PHARMACIST!! ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT A DOUBT THE STUPIDIST CONMAN IN HISTORY!! NO ONE EVEN COMES CLOSE!! I'M THINKING OF TAKING UP A COLLECTION FOR HIS IMPENDING MARRIAGE AND AM EVEN THINKING ABOUT BUYING HIM A NEW CAMERA!! AS TO THE COLLEGE THAT HE WENT TO!! I THINK A LAWSUIT IS IN ORDER!! HE DID NOT GET HIS MONEYS WORTH. THEY FORGOT TO TEACH HIM TO SPELL, WRITE, LIE OR CHEAT!! HOW CAN A CONMAN MAKE A LIVING WITHOUT A PROPER EDUCATION??? (lol)
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Q: Before I bid I would like to see a photo of the vin number on the left front fender in this car.There seem to be a differance as to which car you are selling - the one of a another person taken at a car show or yours? OR YOURS.
Dec-30-06
A: For gods sake try to understand its my car and pictures this guy is mad about e-bay blocked his account for what that member had done and i dont think they will reinsate his account Thats why he created a new account with zero feedbacks to mess with my auction. Its my car my pictures and look at mr other 39 feedbacks as well from buyers to. After the holidays that last feedback from the bad member will e removed as well. My camer is broken i am trying to get another one as we speak to get you this pose of a picture its just hard with new year here and finding a close place open to buy another camera but i am working on it. Feel free to call me to as well. If i can t fined another camer I will have to use a video recorder to go over the car and send to you some how. In all you need to give me your address to send it to like your e-mail . Thanks Ho, by the way I do however have a pictre of the title for now on my p.c i can send to you right this mint so please let me know. Thanks R.K P.S your not dealing with a low life I am a doctor of medicin a pharmaciest to be exact, and cars are my hobbey german cars especialy. Thank you and Happy new year. 818-325-7128 Dr.Kamaleddin you can call me R.K Healthmas@yahoo.com is my e-mail address Thanks again
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I like how the seller didn't know Cooper Classics. Photo #3 & 4 (and a few more) are actually taken outside their building on Perry Street in Greenwich Village. I recognize the cobblestones.
Douglas Kim
New York
USA
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FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY!!
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JUST RECEIVED THIS IN MY EMAIL, DON'T HAVE A CLUE WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT!!
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doit4loveauto( 40)
Positive feedback: 91.7%
Member since: Apr-14-05
Location: CA, United States
Registered on: www.ebay.com
Item: Mercedes-Benz : SL-Class (230071937453)
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doit4loveauto is the seller.
Look i know your main member account now and the one you had befor as well wich you still do I also know what you have been doing. I just want you to be a man abote your actions and the way you are handleing things when things come back around to you the last thing i hate seeing is a grown man begging and crying like a 5 year old child. Some people think they are tough and smart but this is because there behind a computer. You have costed me lots of time and fees if I was even doing something wrong you should just report it to e-bay and go on your way but you are one careless person to do what you are doing especialy involveing your wife and son of yours like someone tryed to kill you. I like people like you crossing my path you have not ever been hit befor or atleas not lately to be more carefull about how you react to other that you dont know because all you have to do is meet one crazy son of a bith that wount let you slide by anymore and thats that. You have on top cursed at me called my mother names and more beside messing with the auction. You have a lot of time in your hands and especialy on holidays. You dont seem to think but act first. You have no respect to your own family or yourself. You are one of those grochs that talk load but realy are sensless. All I have to say is to becarefull somethings are not worth doing like what you are doing and till someone dose the same thing to you is when you might learn but it might be late then. I realy am like a gost everything you see but you on the other hand brouth your main and all info even your lady to the picture. The last time some one called my mother faul names was a time that is not rememrable and i love more than anything may god always be with her. In all I guess this new year you will have me in your life sooner or later and you wount even know I have a lot of patience so have fun doing what your doing.
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The response...looks like he found a store open to buy a camera afterall...
Hello well one or 2 of the same pictures are also from the guide if there is any pose or way i can take more and send it to you just please give me your mail to send it to Thanks
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Originally posted by KevinC
Thought that I would join in on the fun. I reported the listing, too. The seller also suggests that the car was featured in a buyer's guide photoshoot. Lo and behold, so does another seller state the same about HIS car. Except the second car is BLUE and HE shows the page of the buyer's guide showing the BLUE car plus, the car in his garage has the same tag number as the BLUE car in the BOOK.
I also asked the seller of the RED car...
Hi,
Do you have any photos of your car in the buyer's guide that you mention in your ad?
This said... give ebay a break. If a buyer is so desparate or gullibe to buy from a seller with a positive feedback of 91%, they are probably a sucker in everyday life, too.
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Originally posted by mdsalemi
I think every one of us with our own eBay account needs to report this. Maybe if eBay gets a few dozen FRAUD reports they'll listen. I've done it several times already. You have to go to my eBay, and report it as a listing violation.
Michael Salemi
1969 280SL
Signal Red w/Black Leather
Restored
Kevin Caputo
Boca Raton, FL
1967 230 SL Automatic
670 Light Ivory
113 Bronze/Brown MB Tex
Kevin Caputo
Boca Raton, FL
1967 230 SL Automatic
670 Light Ivory
113 Bronze/Brown MB Tex
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What his car REALLY looks like...
http://http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-BENZ-230-SL-MERCEDES-BENZ-60-VINTAGE-RARE-COLLECTOR-HOT-ROD-ANTIQUE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6329QQihZ018QQitemZ280064641707QQrdZ1
Kevin Caputo
Boca Raton, FL
1967 230 SL Automatic
670 Light Ivory
113 Bronze/Brown MB Tex
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I just took another look at the pix and it's actually more than 2 different cars. It's 3, or more. There's Terry's car, then there's an early 280 SL without the chrome roof garnishing, then there's a 3rd red SL with roof garnishing but no right-side mirror. Then there's the very real possibility that the SL whose nose is shown missing the rubber inserts in its front bumper guards is very likely yet another vehicle.
This appears to be a collage of different red cars from the past few months. Terry's car is familiar to my eye, but so are some of the others.
Douglas Kim
New York
USA
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Douglas, thats what I thought also. The only thing that this guy has said that I believe is that he doesn't own a camera!! (lol)
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Or a conscience!
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Originally posted by terry shores
Douglas, thats what I thought also. The only thing that this guy has said that I believe is that he doesn't own a camera!! (lol)
Kevin Caputo
Boca Raton, FL
1967 230 SL Automatic
670 Light Ivory
113 Bronze/Brown MB Tex
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RK? Oh, I just had a flashback.
A couple of years ago when I was looking for a 230sl, I came across a red one out in the 818 area code that was severally beat up but claimed otherwise. The seller was a real brat who's father had way too much money. I think RK was his initials. I had asked a local to go look at the car and he came away laughing about holes in the firewall and other major defects.
I wound up being his high bidder and chose not to complete the deal after that inspection, which happened after the auction ended. That was poor timing on my part, but I'm an east coast guy, so it took time to arrange.
It couldn't possibly be the same fool. But then again...
-CTH
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This morning the sale was terminated. Did someone forward the death threat email to Ebay, or did they figure it out themselves?
From what I saw, the listing was not only a collage of photos found on the net but the description was a cut and paste from several different cars too. The writing styles were from different people, and clearly not by the person who was replying to the emails.
In one of the photos there was a reflection of a phone number on the trunk lid. I didn't think to try calling the number to see who the car in the photo actually belonged to.
Being a theif is hard work, and theives truly believe that they deserve the money they get from it, that is why he was so angry in the E-mail. He belives we have taken away the $25,000 that he worked so hard to get.
Al
66 230sl
113-042-10-014715
904/396 blue, Ivory Tex
condition: not-as-rusty-as-before-bucket
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Al,
Unfortunately, it's still going:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-SL-Class-1971-280sl-Mercedes-Benz-1971-280-SL-Showroom-condition-NO-reserv_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6338QQihZ013QQitemZ230071937453QQrdZ1
I'm sure I'm one of many people here who has reported this auction multiple times now.
For what it's worth, here's a completed auction that was clearly the source of some of his pix:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/69-280SL-ROADSTER-W-AC-RED-BLACK-AUTO_W0QQitemZ270065851631QQihZ017QQcategoryZ6338QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
(Note how he didn't show the pix that shows the car's alloy wheels.)
Douglas Kim
New York
USA
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I don't think he likes me!
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doit4loveauto( 40)
Positive feedback: 91.7%
Member since: Apr-14-05
Location: CA, United States
Registered on: www.ebay.com
Item: Mercedes-Benz : SL-Class (230071937453)
This message was sent while the listing was active.
doit4loveauto is the seller.
Listen You are a sorry reason for a humen and I can not forget the words you called me and involveing my mother in to this as well. You must be on something. I cant believe you would even have such a taste on cars to know what a 280 sl is. You think I dont know what you have been doing with my auction and pictures. You are trying to off set the market of this type of car. I will tell you what deal are up for grabs when I see you in person. I am not a sissy to sit and bother people in back of a computer. You do what you have to do and I will do the same. I am not your friend far from a man that sit around trying to bother someone trying to make ends meet. I swear on my skin you will hear from me when you least expect it. I already know you have the picture i sent to your other member name and you think you have a picture of me as well the jok was on you. That guy actuly is some guy on some match site picked out just for you. One of your so called buddys to mentioned what you asked them to do as well. So do as much as drama as you can and lie and make up things as much as you can now.
May whatever have mercy on you. Still till now i have not called you a name hope that tells you something
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Hey all. To be honest, the whole thing makes me uneasy. Terry I don't mind you putting him in his place -- but the threats, etc. seem a little untoward for our classy bunch here. I suggest the removal of most of the threads leading up to his response. We all know the details -- but why give him anything else to claim he was provoked? Just my two cents.
James
63 230SL
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Gone for now:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-SL-Class-1971-280sl-Mercedes-Benz-1971-280-SL-Showroom-condition-NO-reserv_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6338QQihZ013QQitemZ230071937453QQrdZ1
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'64 230sl, fully sorted out...ooops, spoke too soon
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Terry,
I think the guy did one terrible mistake - he decided to use your car's pics and you caught him in the deed. I can only respect and salute your persistence to nail him down.
Thanks from myself. And if the sl113.org members allow me to say -thanks from all of us.
Abbas
280SL W113 1969 Ivory
E280 W124 1995 Silver