Pagoda SL Group
W113 Pagoda SL Group => General Discussion => Topic started by: n/a on December 18, 2005, 12:56:28
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I want to order a Data Card. I'm told you can even have it fax'd to you. The 800- number I am using to make the order is constantly busy....or disabled. Would someone please reply with an internet link or other option for a datacard request please ? I have searched the forum....no hits.
thx
Carl
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Search for Dillenberger - the person at the German classic center who so many of us have contacted to get our data card.
Cees ("Case") Klumper in Amsterdam
'69 white 280 SL automatic
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Here's info from that search:
DaimlerChrysler AG
HPC 096/ G 328
704546 Stuttgart
Deutschland
Phone ++49 (0) 7 11/ 17-5 41 38
Fax ++49 (0) 7 11/ 17-79 05 41 38
email till.dillenburger@daimlerchrysler.com
Cees ("Case") Klumper in Amsterdam
'69 white 280 SL automatic
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I called Mercedes Classic. They fax it to you or email it to you with the key codes NOT included. That was the info I wanted. If you fax a copy of the title you can get the key codes, too.
Do a search here, more than enough info.
1967 230SL (ƒ=m*acceleration)
1958 180D (ƒ=m*gravity)
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I contacted classicpart@mbusa on a Thursday morning (west coast time). I had a response from Paul Heule (paul.heule@mbusa) within a few minutes, saying that the information was in Germany (I had a Euro car), but it would be sent as soon as possible. I had the information early the next morning, including a copy of the original data card. There was no charge. Outstanding service!
Ken
'66 230SL
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received my data card from MB Classic by email.
They have stated that all are now held on microfilm so the quality is not great.
They have penned in the numbers but I am having a real problem deciphering what these mean even reading through the previous links on this matter.
Can anyone assist?
On the top line after upolstery on the right of the form I have a 1 in the first box then a 5 in the next box(41) then a 6 in the next box(42) then blank in box(43)
Next line down in box (62) I have a 9 and in box (66) I have a 5
Going down from box (62) and (66) I have 5 numbers
07731
128
HF0024
KV035
TW096
Any idea what these refer to?
Thanks group.
Rob Walker
1968 280SL papyrus white/green leather
2004 230 SLK silver
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Originally posted by rob walker
They have stated that all are now held on microfilm so the quality is not great.
That's what I was told in 2000, so nobody should hope to get a high quality reproduction.
The box numbers are the first part of the "option number", as we put it. So, a 6 in box 42 means you have option 426.
Rodd
Powell, Ohio, USA
1966 230SL, Euro, Auto, Leather, both tops
1994 E420
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Rob,
I think these are key numbers:
07731 Ignition
128 ??
HF0024 Tank??
KV035 Glove box/ Trunk
TW096 Door
naj
65 230SL
68 280SL
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Rob,
Nothing easier than that.
Please go to
http://www.sl113.org/data/show_table.asp?table_name=usr_option_codes
Helps a lot!
40(1) - single seats. Everybody W113 has that (but not all sedans).
On the top line after upolstery on the right of the form I have a 1 in the first box then a 5 in the next box(41) then a 6 in the next box(42) then blank in box(43)
41(5) No soft top - only hard top
42(6) Power steering with automatic transmission - tunnel shift
43(0) Seat belts
Next line down in box (62) I have a 9 and in box (66) I have a 5
62(9) Air horns (? Never heard of that before. Well ...
66(5) Mode of Packing VE 0 (often with export cars ...)
Going down from box (62) and (66) I have 5 numbers
Arrgh, don't know for sure. Depends in which field the number is
07731 - Gear box or axle number - it depends
128 - it depends (looks like an interior code)
HF0024 - ignition key number
KV035 - trunk and gloves box key number (K= Kofferraum und Handschuhfach)
TW096 - Door and Gas cap key (Türen und Tank).
Other numbers you should find are chassis no (VIN) and engine number, numbers of front axle halves and differential number. Wipers (Bosch), battery (Bosch, Varta, Hoppecke, etc.)
Perhaps numbers for "Wenig gewünscht" (less demanded).
What about 49 (?)? No US-version? Do you have a Europa-version?
Best,
Any idea what these refer to?
Thanks group.
Achim
(Magdeburg, Germany)
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Greetings, Achim (and Rob),
I also have option 629, and (using many option lists) I have translated this option to "Combined tail lamps with orange back-up light (France); Fog lamp special wiring; Town horn for France (LHD)". In my case, these were all true: my original taillights have amber reverse lenses, my fog lights were wired specifically so that they went off when high beams were selected (a pain to find and fix), and I have non-standard horns. I suspect that Rob's car was originally French, hence no US version.
-David Pease
'66 French 230SL
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Aren't the fog lamps supposed to turn off when the hi-beams are engaged on all SLs?
I think "fog light wiring" means exactly what it says. Nothing more than the standard fog light wiring.
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Hi, Douglas!
According to the 230SL wiring diagram, the fog lights stay on with high or low beams. (Maybe this is different for US models, but that's not what the wiring diagram shows.) My wiring had a special fuse holder (near the windshield washer bottle), and a circuit connected to a nominally unused terminal of the ignition switch, just to make sure that the fog lights went off on with high beam. I took this wiring out, and rewired according to the diagram, and voila, fog lamps high and low!
This might also have changed with the 280SL, as I know the wiring is different. For example, your trunk light probably came on with the headlights off - mine doesn't; I'm acually toying with the idea of modifying my wiring in this area to match the 280SL (what sacrilege!)
-David Pease
'66 French 230SL
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Hello. Mine are as David says -- fog lamps stay on with both hi and lo beams. I do not have any trunk lighting, however.
James
63 230SL
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Thanks guys understand how to read this now. Mine was actually a German car so non US.
Interesting that my car definately has th soft top so cannot understand the 415.
It has air horns and trunk lighting but no fog lights or amber back up lights.
Also has tinted windows which does not show here.Also my specialist feels the leather trim is original yet no mention of leather on the data sheet.
Question is how accurate were these sheets when the car was built?
Also does anyone have any ideas on the 128 code?
Rob Walker
1968 280SL papyrus white/green leather
2004 230 SLK silver
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David,
Thanks for clarifying. I think this feature changed over time as the fog lamps do not work on my '73 sedan (with factory Hella fog lamps) when the brights are on & I believe the same is true on my former Euro SL from 1970. Makes sense considering they seemed to step up these kinds of restraints each year.
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Rob,
Just because your car was delivered without a soft top does not mean it was not a Roadster. My former SL had that same option. The soft top well was there and the first owner just installed a soft top frame once he realized it was a mistake to order it without the soft top. This should not be confused with a Coupe, which is the configuration with no provision for a soft top. No "well" in which the soft top could retract.
On another subject, have you seen Germany confirmed as its initial country of origin in its paper trail (or on the plate in the engine bay)?
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The destination can be found right on the data card -- if any one wonders where their car first graced the highway.
James
63 230SL
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Doug, what should I be looking for on the plate in the engine bay to deignate original origin?
Rob Walker
1968 280SL papyrus white/green leather
2004 230 SLK silver
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Rob, the "2" on this data plate in the engine bay indicates it's a German model:
http://www.sl113.org/forums/uploaded/bigdanh/2005317176_data%20plate.jpg
At some point, we had a thread about the various codes. As I recall, there was a general code for Euro delivery (as well as US, Africa, Asia, etc.) and a specific one ("2") for Germany. In adddition, as James points out, I think there's some kind of inidication on the data card, but I don't recall those specifics. There may even be a dealer code somewhere there too.
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Hm! any idea where 5 relates to?
Rob Walker
1968 280SL papyrus white/green leather
2004 230 SLK silver
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First off, the early datacards differ slightly from later ones, so I can only speak for the earliest. And I only know a little bit of how this works....
On the datacard, there is a box that reads approximately "Auftrags-Nummer". There is an 8 digit number. The first digit indicates the year of the car (ie 3 = a 63). The next three digits are the codes for the country of origin. In my case, this is 553 -- which was Holland. Now here's where I am of no help whatsoever -- the final digits I believe give specifics as to dealers but not sure. And, here's more trouble -- the website that used to show the various country codes is not "alive" anymore. I will continue to search or maybe someone else will have the country codes? Hope this helps a little...
James
63 230SL
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"5" is for Europe, except Germany.
See this thread:
http://sl113.org/forums/index.php?topic=2712
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James,
A little clarification on the 8-digit "Auftrags-Nr.": As you say, the first digit is the order year, the next three are the dealer number (so they indicate country, but there may be more than one dealer in the same country), and the last four are simply an order number for that dealer.
For example, my (1966 French) car has a "5" on the engine compartment plate (non-German European), and an Auftrags number of 55317928, meaning the car was ordered in 1965, by dealer 531 (France), and was order number 7928.
-David Pease
'66 French 230SL
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quote:
Originally posted by Douglas
Aren't the fog lamps supposed to turn off when the hi-beams are engaged on all SLs?
Mine stay on.
Rodd
Powell, Ohio, USA
1966 230SL, Euro, Auto, Leather, both tops
1994 E420
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Thanks for all the assistance on this yes we have an original French car, with the order number being 85312711. Interesting as tracing back the original owner, she was supposed to be a German lady. Maybe she had it in the South of France as her holiday car!
Rob Walker
1968 280SL papyrus white/green leather
2004 230 SLK silver
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So does the car still have its amber French headlamps, Rob? Also, does it have any stickers left written in French? (valve cover, bootlid, etc.)
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No, thats the strange thing. Spec seems very non-French.
Could it be that a car was ordered in France for delivery elsewhere as all the information I have reflects a German owner who took it to Spain.
Rob Walker
1968 280SL papyrus white/green leather
2004 230 SLK silver
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I think it's possible to trace it to a specific dealership through some of its numbers somewhere. Forget which ones. This is a good question for Klaus or Achim.
In any event, I think a lot of those French features are all simple bolt-ons, so I wouldn't assume there's anything strange about it not having French specs all these years later. Perhaps the previous owner can put you in touch with the person from whom he or she purchased the car?
One more thing: take a really good look under the seats. I'll bet there are loose coins under the seats that will tell you a lot about where the car has spent its life.
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Also in addition to looking in the dashboard and under the seats for coins. Look at the softtop instruction label inside the softtop compartment on the drivers side. If the instructions are in french then indeed the car is a french version. The other items can be changed out easily, but the sticker is often overlooked. I have the german, french, english and international stickers. I need to find them again.
Walter Klatt
1967 220SL-diesel english sticker
1963 230SL-gas german sticker
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Walter, the 1970 Swiss SL I used to own was specifically ordered with French books & stickers throughout (indicated on data card), but the soft top well had the standard multi-language sticker & it was clearly original.
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Hmmm, this is another interesting area to research more on.
How about if we do a poll and ask the members to check which language they have on their stickers and the delivery code(country of delivery).
Might be interesting.
Also would like to know if there is interest to photograph the various stickers with different languages on them and post them to the group.
Walter Klatt
1967 220SL-diesel
1963 230SL-gas
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Mine is in French-Canadian. (still looking for a laugh here..."toroughly"???) :D
quote:
Originally posted by waltklatt
Hmmm, this is another interesting area to research more on.
How about if we do a poll and ask the members to check which language they have on their stickers and the delivery code(country of delivery).
Might be interesting.
Also would like to know if there is interest to photograph the various stickers with different languages on them and post them to the group.
Walter Klatt
1967 220SL-diesel
1963 230SL-gas
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Kevin Caputo
Boca Raton, FL
1967 230 SL Automatic
670 Light Ivory
113 Bronze/Brown MB Tex
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Hi,
Our Pagoda is sadly missing the data plate. Do anybody know if it's possible to obtain a replacement plate from MB in Stuttgart or from elsewhere?
Thanks
Finn
230 Sl 1964 4-speed Euro model silver metallic
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quote:
Originally posted by mille
Our Pagoda is sadly missing the data plate.
Do you mean the one attached to the left fender in the engine bay? I suggest you make a contact here and find out.
DaimlerChrysler AG
HPC 096/ G 328
704546 Stuttgart
Deutschland
Phone ++49 (0) 7 11/ 17-5 41 38
Fax ++49 (0) 7 11/ 17-79 05 41 38
till.dillenburger@daimlerchrysler.com
Rodd
Powell, Ohio, USA
1966 230SL, Euro, Auto, Leather, both tops
1994 E420
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quote:
James Huber wrote:
The destination can be found right on the data card -- if any one wonders where their car first graced the highway
List,
Some research to chart the complete M-B dealer code list has been performed some years back. See the result at:
http://homepage.hispeed.ch/nitwit/tech/dealers.htm
(please note that this is a temporary server which will change /the info will be moved in a short while!)
Alex Gabard and a number of other enthusiasts (myself included) made the list with great help from the DC Archives. You see from it also the language for stickers and Owners manual
Other web pages on this link give info on how to read the Group number classification, structure for M-B part numbers and much else. Enjoy!
/Hans in Stockholm
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Yes Hans, that's the one I was referring to! Thanks. I hope we can somehow preserve this list in the database section for future reference.
-- Yet this great info has actually clouded one thing for me. As noted earlier, mine was delivered to The Netherlands (553). Hans' list indicates I should have an owner's manual in Dutch. However, the manual seems to be in 5 different languages... German, English, and three others, one of which is certainly Dutch! Here's an entry for the section on Driving -- maybe someone can identify the various languages? (I got the first two!)
Das Fahren
Driving
Korning (umlaut over o)
Korsel (slash thru o)
Het rijden
James
63 230SL
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I'm from New Amsterdam and I think that last one is Dutch :-)
I wouldn't assume there was a purely Dutch owner's manual. I believe many of the markets got the multi-language literature. I'll defer to one of our Dutch members to confirm this.
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Hi James,
Yes, one of the other languages is Danish. The 230 SL we used to own before our current 230 SL came with Owners manual printed also in Danish language. As far as I remember (but not sure - sold the manual with the vehicle)the two other languages were Swedish and Norwegian. Can you confirm this, Hans?
Hej!
/Finn (Denmark)
230 SL 1964 Euro 4-speed manual silver metallic/black leather interior
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quote:
Originally posted by James Huber
../.. the manual seems to be in 5 different languages... German, English, and three others, one of which is certainly Dutch!
James, Finn and List,
Some owners manuals were multi-language yes. On the spine of the one you have, it says "230SL nord." right?
Look at the last page inside the rear cover, note a code for the book there. Perhaps "KTDF VI.66 10K" in your case(?) (printed June 1966). Languages English/German/Swedish/Danish and Dutch.
For the "250SL nord." book, Finnish was also added (six languages). And on the next version, "280SL nord." it's back to five, English was dropped.
/Hans in Stockholm
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Hans, mine does say 230 SL Nord on the spine. Then on back page it reads KTDF 1. 65. 3. N. K. Now if my car is a 1963, am I to infer that the manual is not the original one (since it was printed in 65?)
James
63 230SL