Pagoda SL Group

W113 Pagoda SL Group => General Discussion => Topic started by: Khurram Darugar on December 09, 2005, 08:44:14

Title: Rare wheels
Post by: Khurram Darugar on December 09, 2005, 08:44:14
You dont see these everyday!  
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-123-107-126-108-RARE-Set-15-Bundt-Wheels-w123_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ43955QQitemZ8019005455QQrdZ1


Kay

Kay
Euro 280sl LHD Auto.
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: Ben on December 09, 2005, 09:28:50
Nice wheels !

I dont beleive they are MB/Fuchs wheels though ! Possibly an aftermarket item made by ATS or similar !

Someone remarked here previously that the "factory" wheels have an insert where the holes are and thats how you know !

Still they'd look nice on a Pagoda and with a modern lower profile tyre the handling would certainly improve !

Regards,
Ben in Ireland.
'64 230SL 4sp.
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: ja17 on December 09, 2005, 11:29:57
Yes,
These 15" are rare and the original Mercedes did have the steel inserts, I believe Ronal made the originals. I had two sets over the years. One set had the standard factory asto-silver with clear finish. The other set is still on my 300SE sedan and has the astro-silver centers with polished aluminum outer rims with clear coat.

both sets were the original bundt stlye.

Joe Alexander
Blacklick, Ohio
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: norton on December 09, 2005, 12:31:08
Wish I had seen this earlier, I went to bid on the wheels and there allready gooooooooooooone. :(

Mike Halleck
Chesterfield Mi
71 280SL
68 250SL (parts car)
94 E320 Coupe
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: Cees Klumper on December 09, 2005, 15:36:17
They look aftermarket (seller described brand as "Centra") which you can tell also by the sharp edge to the main bend 'inwards' from the outside (I am probably not making myself clear). Anyway, the original wheels are more rounded there which I think looks a lot better.

Cees ("Case") Klumper in Amsterdam
'69 white 280 SL automatic
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: zanone on December 09, 2005, 18:46:10
These are the real deal 15"s. $2300!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8019123911
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: Cees Klumper on December 10, 2005, 00:35:49
And with that link to the real deal you can see what I was talking about!

Cees ("Case") Klumper in Amsterdam
'69 white 280 SL automatic
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: Khurram Darugar on December 10, 2005, 04:19:34
Mike,
       I have seen these wheels on german ebay a couple of times going for around 500 Euros.  If you think about it even a 1000 Euros is not a lot of money considering what nice wheels cost nowadays, let alone rare ones.

One thing to note is that these wheels are wider too, by an inch.  I believe that 205's are the minimum you can put on them.  And will give a very flat straight side wall.
Kay


Kay
Euro 280sl LHD Auto.
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: hauser on December 10, 2005, 11:52:47
The 15" Fuchs sold for $2,550.00 plus shipping.  The seller stated that these wheels are available through the classic center.  I thought they were out of production?



1969 280sl 5 spd
Gainesville, Fl.
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: 66andBlue on December 10, 2005, 13:24:32
quote:
Originally posted by hauser

The 15" Fuchs sold for $2,550.00 plus shipping. ..

Not bad for 4 wheels but how much do you think a set will cost for a new $1.25 million Bugatti? Now that's rare .. or maybe not? 1000 hp and 248 mph (or 400 km/h) [:0]

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-et-bugatti10dec10,1,7826679.story?coll=la-headlines-frontpage

Alfred
1966 blue 230SL automatic
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: Ben on December 12, 2005, 04:39:21
quote:
The 15" Fuchs sold for $2,550.00 plus shipping. The seller stated that these wheels are available through the classic center. I thought they were out of production?



I believe they are being manufactured again, I read that in the Daimler Chrylser "Classic" magazine last quarter ! Its a limited run and they were expensive but possibly the same price as these eBay ones !

They look great but as Kay warns they may look odd with a wider rim but a flat tyrewall !

Regards,
Ben in Ireland.
'64 230SL 4sp.
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: RBurg on December 12, 2005, 20:37:52
They only were optional on 280's from 1968 to 71.

Ron
71 280SL Tobacco "O GIGI"
97 E420 Silver Mist
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: Ben on December 13, 2005, 03:09:27
quote:
They only were optional on 280's from 1968 to 71.


Ron, only in 14", these are rare 15" versions !

Regards,
Ben in Ireland.
'64 230SL 4sp.
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: 66andBlue on December 18, 2005, 17:32:57
quote:
Originally posted by zanone

These are the real deal 15"s. $2300!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8019123911

Hi zanone,
are these these the real deal too?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-wheels-280SL-230SL-250-SL-280-SL-230-SL-W113_W0QQitemZ4598626741QQcategoryZ34209QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Alfred
1966 blue 230SL automatic
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: Cees Klumper on December 18, 2005, 18:05:45
Alfred - these look like the aftermarket, non-original kind (sharp edge) and could be 14 inch to boot. Michelin Rainforce tires have been reported as good for our cars, however note the 5 or so years of 'shelf-life' for tires.
Good luck on the auction Zanone!

Cees ("Case") Klumper in Amsterdam
'69 white 280 SL automatic
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: n/a on December 22, 2005, 11:31:13
Damn, those are some gorgeous wheels.
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: hauser on December 22, 2005, 13:27:05
I called the Classic Center and this is what I found out.  The 15" Fuchs wheels were introduced a year ago last Novenber.  All stock on these wheels is depleted.  At this time there is no talk of continued production. :(

1969 280sl 5 spd
Gainesville, Fl.
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: RBurg on December 22, 2005, 17:00:35
Dear Hauser:

What year were  the 15" Fuchs wheels first introduced?  
1968 or later?  The Bundt, I believe were 1968.
Have a Merry Christmas :)

Ron
71 280SL Tobacco "O GIGI"
97 E420 Silver Mist
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: hauser on December 23, 2005, 00:18:15
Ron, I'm not really sure when the 15" bundt wheels were introduced.  I have seen them on a Euro spec 280sl, Hatch has two 280sls fitted with them and Karl Middlehauve also has two sets fitted on his custom 600 coupe and and something else.  We also have a member in Turkey that has a set on his Pagoda.

1969 280sl 5 spd
Gainesville, Fl.
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: n/a on December 26, 2005, 00:09:15
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-wheels-280SL-230SL-250-SL-280-SL-230-SL-W113_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ34209QQitemZ4598626741QQrdZ1
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: 66andBlue on February 19, 2006, 15:55:42
And another 15" set:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4614187116&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Alfred
1966 blue 230SL automatic
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: Douglas on February 19, 2006, 18:45:57
quote:
Originally posted by dravenali

You dont see these everyday!


So maybe it's every other day.....

Douglas Kim
New York
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: Khurram Darugar on February 20, 2006, 10:02:53
quote:
Originally posted by Douglas

quote:
Originally posted by dravenali

You dont see these everyday!


So maybe it's every other day.....

Douglas Kim
New York


More like every other day a couple of months ago ...... and on german ebay.
Have'nt really seen them on US/UK ebay although they may still be there.  The set from 26 of dec posted below are for 14" variety.

Kay
Euro 280sl LHD Auto.
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: hauser on February 20, 2006, 13:39:46
I just picked up a new set of these a couple weeks ago from a German source.

1969 280sl 5 spd
Gainesville, Fl.
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: hauser on February 20, 2006, 22:57:25
Here's another set on ebay Germany made by ATS.http://cgi.ebay.de/Alufelge-fuer-Mercedes-7x15-107SL-SLC-108-113-123-usw_W0QQitemZ4612919215QQcategoryZ76017QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

1969 280sl 5 spd
Gainesville, Fl.
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: Bob G ✝︎ on February 21, 2006, 15:36:38
Can someone explain why these 15 by 7 bunt alloys are such a big deal! What happens to your ground clearance and speedometer reading? I guess if you had a rally or race prep SL they be great. I fine nothing in the technical manual that indicates this option for the W113 , only taxie cabs and emergency vehicals to which the SL is excluded.
I do now that the 107 had 15 inch alloys ,but then we are talking apples & oranges are we not?

Bob Geco
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: norton on February 21, 2006, 17:14:39
Hi Bob  I think it's about the large choice of tires that are available for 15" wheels, much larger choice than for the 14" wheels.
When using 15" wheels you would use a lower profile tire to end up with the same overall tire height, so ground clearance and speedo error may not be an issue.  I'm not sure that the 107's used 15" bundt cake wheels, I think they used 14 x 6.5 wheels, that where wider than what was used on the Pagoda's (14 x 6)

Mike Halleck
Chesterfield Mi
71 280SL
68 250SL (parts car)
94 E320 Coupe
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: hauser on February 22, 2006, 00:37:33
Bob, it's pretty common practice to go to a plus 1,2,3 and even 4" wheel.  The larger the wheel the lower tire profile you wind up with.  A lower profile equals a stiffer sidewall which improves handling.  The 15" bundt is avery subtle change while retaining the correct period look.

1969 280sl 5 spd
Gainesville, Fl.
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: harleydan on July 22, 2007, 09:19:17
If one (me for one) should try to get some of those 15 inch bundt alloy rims, I have some questions:

1.  What is the difference in makes, ATS versus Fuchs versus etc.?  Which is better made?  Which is prefered?

2.  What is offset in regards to wheel/rim specifications/measurements, i.e, what does offset mean and do we have to worry about it for our W113?

3.  I think the offset (ET) for the 14 inch bundt alloy rims is 30.  What will the offset be for the correct sized 15 inch bundt alloy rims that will fit the W113?

4.  For the 15 inch rims, what is the range of offsets that will fit the W113?  Or do we not have to factor in offset for the 15 inch rims?

It would be a pity to spend good money on a set of 15 inch alloy rims that do not fit.

Thanks and Cheers,
Danny
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: Benz Dr. on July 22, 2007, 12:02:25
15'' wheel are a big deal. The real ones are quite rare and are very pricey. There are cheaper after market rims but they aren't as strong as MB rims. MB rims have a steel sleeve pressed into the rim for the wheel screw to sit against. Cheaper rims don't have this in most cases.
After market rims are not the same as MB rims for obvious reasons. Copy right comes to mind. I had a set of ATS once and the MB centre cap wouldn't fit because their hole size was different.

Dan Caron's
 SL Barn
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Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: harleydan on July 22, 2007, 20:48:01
Dr Benz,

I value your expert advice in trying to get the MB 15 inch rims vice aftermarket rims.  But can you (or anybody else) please answer the offset questions (question #2, 3, and 4), in the event that aftermarket rims is all I can find or afford.

Thanks,
Danny
Title: Re: Rare wheels
Post by: hauser on July 22, 2007, 21:39:41
7X15 ET 23

http://cgi.ebay.de/Barockfelgen-ATS-7x15-Mercedes-W123-W126-W116-W114-W115_W0QQitemZ150143188931QQihZ005QQcategoryZ9892QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

1969 280sl 5 spd
Gainesville, Fl.